Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIX

[RangersFan1994]

Citing Graves as Gorton's worst deal is hilarious. The dude is completely carried by Makar and MacKinnon, I've even seen Avs fans say as much. This is no different than when Jeff Schultz led the league in +/- during 2009-10 on that Caps team that scored approx. 15,000 goals. It's honestly not even worth thinking about.

or Marek Malik ws a +-30 while playing with Jagr

 

[Leetch3]

Smith or Staal for now, but it doesn't have to be DeAngelo. DeAngelo not playing PK shouldn't prevent him from getting ES minutes with Trouba.

the ES minutes to me are the concern not the PK. teams use different pairings on the pk all the time. my concern would be deangelo handling the minutes and matchups that you will be assigning trouba playing on this offside...in offensive situations the pairing would be great but this isn't just claiming ADA isn't good defensively, if you are also asking him to play his offside thats potentially tough

 

[NYR Viper]

As far as physical play and board play Gorton did a very good job in adding Gauthier when he did. His size and strength helps in both of those categories. Hopefully Gettinger continue to develop

 

[True Blue]

I can certainly see the reasoning behind that. However, at some point the RD situation is going to come to a head. We can easily justify giving DeAngelo a significant number right now but once Fox comes off his ELC you could very well be looking at a Werenski deal as the conservative estimate. We're seeing more and more big time 2nd contracts and if that happens the Rangers just can't justify having $18-20m tied up in just right-handed defensemen.

That is not an issue for today or for a while. He is still on his ELC for a few years and then is RFA. That decision can be made when we see what Fox is becoming.

And again, the only way that I would move DeAngelo would be for that RD that you are referring to.

 

[Rangers in 7]

That is not an issue for today or for a while. He is still on his ELC for a few years and then is RFA. That decision can be made when we see what Fox is becoming.

And again, the only way that I would move DeAngelo would be for that RD that you are referring to.

you only move ADA for a similar first pair left d or a young star center

 

[True Blue]

I'm not willing to lose forwards over dmen, we are thin up front, have a lot of dmen in our system. Buch should stay imo, it would almost be silly to have kept Kreider only to let Buch go when those three players(~with zibby) play well together.

All things being equal, finding 60 point defensemen is much tougher than finding 70 point forwards. And choosing to keep Buchnevich at the expense of a DeAngelo is outright silly.

 

[Avery16]

the ES minutes to me are the concern not the PK. teams use different pairings on the pk all the time. my concern would be deangelo handling the minutes and matchups that you will be assigning trouba playing on this offside...in offensive situations the pairing would be great but this isn't just claiming ADA isn't good defensively, if you are also asking him to play his offside thats potentially tough

I think given the circumstances and his history of doing it, it is worth trying.

 

[Rangers in 7]

I think given the circumstances and his history of doing it, it is worth trying.

I agree with you, I also think that playing your off-side isn't a difficult as some on here make it out to be...yes it is a change and something a player needs to get comfortable with but the players we are talking about should be able to make the switch with some practice

 

[SA16]

I have to say the worst thing about the idea of playing DeAngelo, Trouba, Fox on the left side or DeAngelo and Trouba together is the staunch refusal by the opposition to even TRY it. While you may think it will or won't work you will never know for sure without experimenting and it is certainly worth a week or two to see what happens. This is the same thing as the Lias Andersson argument. Did his play at the start of this regular season deserve being moved up? No it did not. Was there really anything to lose by giving him a shot with better players for a few games and seeing if that would spark his game? Nope.

Maybe DeAgenlo/Trouba will be a great pairing. Maybe it will be a terrible pairing. What do you have to lose by committing to it for five games and seeing what happens? Even if it's an absolutely horrible pairing that does not mean you automatically lose those five games there are sixteen other skaters on the team.

 

[True Blue]

you only move ADA for a similar first pair left d or a young star center

Why would you move him for LD when you already have him, Fox and Trouba?

And if you are moving him for a center, it means that you have given up on the idea that Chytil is going to be a center here. What kind of a name are you moving him for?

 

[True Blue]

DeAngelo is simply not the right partner for Trouba. You are never going to maximize either of their strengths by pairing them up. Trouba is the defenseman who logged the most time on the PK and Tony got zilch.

About a year ago, I said that I wasn’t sure that Trouba’s future partner was in the Rangers organization right then. Since then they have signed both Miller and Robertson but neither is a short term solution to pair with Trouba. The Rangers need a bridge.

I think the best route for the short term is for the Rangers to sign a defensive minded left side defenseman. With a 2-3 year deal, that player could be a nice bridge to the young kids and could potentially be exposed in the expansion draft. Brendan Dillon is the obvious choice but he may be a little pricey. Marco Scandella and Joel Edmonton may make more sense. Others may become available.

You can’t force square pegs into round holes.

This is exactly spot on

 

[True Blue]

I think this team has a fair amount of grit. Panarin doesn't go out and murder people but he's an absolutely nightmare to play against with and without the puck. Zibanejad/Kreider play very hard, Buchnevich/Strome/Lemieux/DeAngelo/Trouba/Lindgren don't take any shit. I think the Leaf's leadership group is too young though, which isn't really a concern here either.

Our bottom-6 is devoid of skill...that's 1/3 of the lineup. So it's our left side defense for that matter.

I think just the opposite. They need to diversify the skill with some more sandpaper type players. And if someone like a Buchnevich is moved eventually, that is the type of return profile that I would think wold be brought back. I am not talking about people that want to go out and necessarily drop the gloves at all times, but those that play a harder game.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Why would you move him for LD when you already have him, Fox and Trouba?

And if you are moving him for a center, it means that you have given up on the idea that Chytil is going to be a center here. What kind of a name are you moving him for?

not to get after you here but him trouba and fox all play the right side, they are righties

and when I talk about a young star center im talking about someone at the level of point, Eichel, Marner

 

[UnSandvich]

not to get after you here but him trouba and fox all play the right side, they are righties

and when I talk about a young star center im talking about someone at the level of point, Eichel, Marner

lol, we're not getting Point, Eichel or Marner for Tony

 

[True Blue]

not to get after you here but him trouba and fox all play the right side, they are righties

and when I talk about a young star center im talking about someone at the level of point, Eichel, Marner

Oh, my bad. Misread or comprehended.

 

[True Blue]

lol, we're not getting Point, Eichel or Marner for Tony

Got to tell you, while I am against trading him full stop and if believe that if a trade needed to happen, that a Werenski or Theodore would be the target. But if it were me and I HAD to trade him for a forward (forget about the position for a minute), Clifford is the type of forward I would demand back.

 

[aufheben]

I don’t know, personally I found myself saying this season “this team needs skill” more than “this team needs grit”. I’m not opposed to grit and toughness, I just think we already have a relatively good amount of it.

This team plays hard and they stand up for themselves. They also have a useless bottom-6 and get trounced defensively.

 

[Rangers in 7]

lol, we're not getting Point, Eichel or Marner for Tony

you misinterpreted what I was saying, he asked what type of center id be looking at for Tony, a young star....also you obviously have to add to Tony but he's the centerpiece

 

[Rangers in 7]

lol, we're not getting Point, Eichel or Marner for Tony

you misinterpreted what I was saying, he asked what type of center id be looking at for Tony, a young star....also you obviously have to add to Tony but he's the centerpiece

 

[UnSandvich]

you misinterpreted what I was saying, he asked what type of center id be looking at for Tony, a young star....also you obviously have to add to Tony but he's the centerpiece

Ahh, my bad mate

Got to tell you, while I am against trading him full stop and if believe that if a trade needed to happen, that a Werenski or Theodore would be the target. But if it were me and I HAD to trade him for a forward (forget about the position for a minute), Clifford is the type of forward I would demand back.

DeAngelo has more points in this shortened season than Clifford has in the last 3 seasons combined and 7 less than Clifford has in the last 4 seasons. HARD pass, especially considering Clifford's already 29. If Tony gets traded, we need to look for upside, not face punching

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I like the diversity in our pool with regards to size. Gorton and Co clearly like to take gambles on mammoths in the later rounds that can add some size/grit/physicality/maybe even speed on the wings. This will especially come in handy when you consider guys like Henriksson and Aaltonen, as well as whoever we draft this year. I was looking at the class, and some of the most talented kids in the ranges where we pick are 5'10 or below. Jarvis isnt tall, Hirvonen is small, Marat is small, any of those guys are possibilities that can pan out as top9 NHL players. Gorton seems to have it in mind that there should be some diversity that allows you to go after the BPA no matter the size. Players like Gettinger, Rueschoff, Edstrom, Gauthier (i know he's 6'4), those guys help a lot just by being competent. We do not need them to become top 6 players, but just develop your skills to a point where you can be useful on a bottom 6 wing. Its very difficult to play against a line of Edstrom Henriksson Gettinger.

 

[SA16]

See you think guys like Chiarelli and such are bad and then you see people DEMANDING guys like Kyle Clifford for Tony DeAngelo.

 

[True Blue]

DeAngelo has more points in this shortened season than Clifford has in the last 3 seasons combined and 7 less than Clifford has in the last 4 seasons. HARD pass, especially considering Clifford's already 29. If Tony gets traded, we need to look for upside, not face punching

Whoops, my bad again. I meant Connor

 

[Avery16]

Got to tell you, while I am against trading him full stop and if believe that if a trade needed to happen, that a Werenski or Theodore would be the target. But if it were me and I HAD to trade him for a forward (forget about the position for a minute), Clifford is the type of forward I would demand back.

What in the actual f*** is this? a PPQB top five IN THE LEAGUE in points among D, coming off an ELC for a 29 year old grinder?

 

[True Blue]

What in the actual f*** is this? a PPQB top five IN THE LEAGUE in points among D, coming off an ELC for a 29 year old grinder?

My mistake, people. I meant Kyle Connor