Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIX

[Amazing Kreiderman]

OK, sharpshooter. What about the actual point though?

Assuming Lundkvist is capable to play LD in the NHL because he lines up on the left a few times on the PP, just doesn't make sense to me

I think Fox or DeAngelo moving to the left is the best way forward. Lundkvist will start in Hartford so it's not an issue until mid-season the earliest.

 

[True Blue]

This season we had Skjei. I think its an open question whether Quinn looks at ADA in his place. Supposed defensive lapses should be handled by our 8 million dollar man. However 'disastrous' slotting ADA at LD could be, it would be certainly less so than Smith in the top 4, which we go by on ok, and more ideal than ADA getting third-pairing 5on5 minutes.

I do not believe Miller is several seasons away, but I guess we'll both see soon enough.

Skjei was looked as a possible solution. There is zero smoke or fire to think that Quinn wonders about DeAngelo in his place. In fact, all evidence is to the contrary.

If ADA can get his 60 points with this type of ice time, I am just fine with it.

To me, Miller has not shown enough to believe that he is close. But as you said, we shall see.

 

[Trxjw]

The only way it makes sense is if they use their glut of wingers to shore up another spot.

Maybe Buch + Howden go in a deal for a LD and then they acquire someone like Kapanen to help off-set some of that scoring.

With the way Buchnevich was coming on towards the end of this year, I have a hard time seeing him going anywhere unless there's a premium player on the table. You move him and arguably your best RW is Jesper Fast, who isn't even under contract for next season. Kakko will get there, but you can't bet on him yet. I don't think Howden is an untouchable but the coaches obviously love him and he's an important guy when it comes to the PK and winning face offs.

Could they follow it up with a move to get a different top-six winger? Sure, but I think it can be done without disrupting the team's chemistry that much.

 

[True Blue]

With the way Buchnevich was coming on towards the end of this year, I have a hard time seeing him going anywhere unless there's a premium player on the table. You move him and arguably your best RW is Jesper Fast, who isn't even under contract for next season. Kakko will get there, but you can't bet on him yet. I don't think Howden is an untouchable but the coaches obviously love him and he's an important guy when it comes to the PK and winning face offs.

I don't disagree with the sentiment. But my view is that they cannot have a resigned Buchnevich, a resigned DeAngelo and a resigned Strome. Of those three, I could see them moving Buchnevich at some point. Not because what you are saying is not accurate; it is. But one is a 24 year old defenseman who was putting up 60 points. One is a center that allows you to deploy Panarin and ZBad on two different lines. And one is Buch. That is my logic.

 

[Rangers in 7]

I don't disagree with the sentiment. But my view is that they cannot have a resigned Buchnevich, a resigned DeAngelo and a resigned Strome. Of those three, I could see them moving Buchnevich at some point. Not because what you are saying is not accurate; it is. But one is a 24 year old defenseman who was putting up 60 points. One is a center that allows you to deploy Panarin and ZBad on two different lines. And one is Buch. That is my logic.

I hear what your saying but strome really shouldn't be part of our long term plans....at a certain price id much rather have Buch then strome

 

[True Blue]

I hear what your saying but strome really shouldn't be part of our long term plans....at a certain price id much rather have Buch then strome

I understand. They can have all three for next year. But after that, someone has to go. And I believe that Strome signs a 2-4 year deal, in the neighborhood of $5m. The ability to come with Panarin and the Strome of last year on one line and ZBad & Kreider on another is a very big weapon.

 

[Trxjw]

I don't disagree with the sentiment. But my view is that they cannot have a resigned Buchnevich, a resigned DeAngelo and a resigned Strome. Of those three, I could see them moving Buchnevich at some point. Not because what you are saying is not accurate; it is. But one is a 24 year old defenseman who was putting up 60 points. One is a center that allows you to deploy Panarin and ZBad on two different lines. And one is Buch. That is my logic.

I can certainly see the reasoning behind that. However, at some point the RD situation is going to come to a head. We can easily justify giving DeAngelo a significant number right now but once Fox comes off his ELC you could very well be looking at a Werenski deal as the conservative estimate. We're seeing more and more big time 2nd contracts and if that happens the Rangers just can't justify having $18-20m tied up in just right-handed defensemen.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'm not willing to lose forwards over dmen, we are thin up front, have a lot of dmen in our system. Buch should stay imo, it would almost be silly to have kept Kreider only to let Buch go when those three players(~with zibby) play well together.

 

[Avery16]

I hope theres some accountability for how players are staying in shape. Smith is going to be 225 lbs when this is all over.

 

[Irishguy42]

I hope theres some accountability for how players are staying in shape. Smith is going to be 225 lbs when this is all over.

No one is having weddings, so I think we're okay.

 

[Ishtabeat]

I just dont see why you dont slot

ADA/Trouba
Lindgren/Fox
Miller/Lundkvist

within the next season or so, with Hajek and Rykov as spares, and dont say "hmm, ok. I guess I should turn to more pressing issues like Strome and Fast in my top-six".

It’s weird how some LHD prefer to play RD but no RHD plays left side. I know Dahlin, Heiskanen, Brodin, and Brodie all prefer playing RD, maybe some others I’m forgetting

 

[Thirty One]

It’s weird how some LHD prefer to play RD but no RHD plays left side. I know Dahlin, Heiskanen, Brodin, and Brodie all prefer playing RD, maybe some others I’m forgetting

You normally see more LHD play RD out of necessity because there are less LHD out there.

 

[Machinehead]

Here's Donnie for no reason

 

[aufheben]

Rangers should target Tkachuk or Domi types not another finesse player. Leafs won't go far because they have no balance of finesse and players that make the team harder to play against. You need a balance finesse and gritty and good along the boards, especially to compete in the playoffs. What was the last playoff team that won on pure finesse skill???

I think this team has a fair amount of grit. Panarin doesn't go out and murder people but he's an absolutely nightmare to play against with and without the puck. Zibanejad/Kreider play very hard, Buchnevich/Strome/Lemieux/DeAngelo/Trouba/Lindgren don't take any shit. I think the Leaf's leadership group is too young though, which isn't really a concern here either.

Our bottom-6 is devoid of skill...that's 1/3 of the lineup. So it's our left side defense for that matter.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Rangers should target Tkachuk or Domi types not another finesse player. Leafs won't go far because they have no balance of finesse and players that make the team harder to play against. You need a balance finesse and gritty and good along the boards, especially to compete in the playoffs. What was the last playoff team that won on pure finesse skill???

Are you talking Max Domi and Tkachuk? Tkachuck would cost a fortune and i think everybody could use him.

The Holloway kid might be there come draft day which would help in the physical dept.

i agree though about the boards. The Leafs have no balance and i feel the Rangers are bit light physically. Few playoff opponents would want to see either in a Round 1 Series yet i don’t think either is build for multiple series b/c of the board play.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Are you talking Max Domi and Tkachuk? Tkachuck would cost a fortune and i think everybody could use him.

The Holloway kid might be there come draft day which would help in the physical dept.

i agree though about the boards. The Leafs have no balance and i feel the Rangers are bit light physically. Few playoff opponents would want to see either in a Round 1 Series yet i don’t think either is build for multiple series b/c of the board play.

I meant as same style of player that has skill one reason I wanted a guy like Kyle Clifford before dealt to the Leafs. Gritty physical and is built for playoffs Sam Bennett would be a good pickup opinion

 

[NYSPORTS]

I meant as same style of player that has skill one reason I wanted a guy like Kyle Clifford before dealt to the Leafs. Gritty physical and is built for playoffs Sam Bennett would be a good pickup opinion

i’m all for grit. We saw how the Caps survived two years ago and how both the Bruins and Blues played on their way to the Finals.

Rangers have some very good forwards and the offense from these biscuit moving defensemen is exciting yet the boards is playoff hockey IMO.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I think we are in a good position here, we have the pieces we need in the minors imo. Once Kravtsov, Lundqvist, Miller, Barron, and Kakko are all accustomed to this league we will fill out the roster. Chytil still has a ton of growth to go too imo. In 2 years without even adding drafts or trades we might make the team looks like this. It's not bad.

Kreider Zib Buch
Panarin Strome/Chytil Kakko
Gauthier Strome/Chytil Kravtsov
Lemieux Barron Fast

Miller Trouba
Lindgren Fox
DeAngelo/ Lundqvist/ Jones

 

[bobbop]

DeAngelo is simply not the right partner for Trouba. You are never going to maximize either of their strengths by pairing them up. Trouba is the defenseman who logged the most time on the PK and Tony got zilch.

About a year ago, I said that I wasn’t sure that Trouba’s future partner was in the Rangers organization right then. Since then they have signed both Miller and Robertson but neither is a short term solution to pair with Trouba. The Rangers need a bridge.

I think the best route for the short term is for the Rangers to sign a defensive minded left side defenseman. With a 2-3 year deal, that player could be a nice bridge to the young kids and could potentially be exposed in the expansion draft. Brendan Dillon is the obvious choice but he may be a little pricey. Marco Scandella and Joel Edmonton may make more sense. Others may become available.

You can’t force square pegs into round holes.

 

[Avery16]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/jeff-gortons-savviness-set-him-up-for-next-rangers-challenge/

Graves stings, but its not as bad as the Smith deals.

 

[Avery16]

DeAngelo is simply not the right partner for Trouba. You are never going to maximize either of their strengths by pairing them up. Trouba is the defenseman who logged the most time on the PK and Tony got zilch.

About a year ago, I said that I wasn’t sure that Trouba’s future partner was in the Rangers organization right then. Since then they have signed both Miller and Robertson but neither is a short term solution to pair with Trouba. The Rangers need a bridge.

I think the best route for the short term is for the Rangers to sign a defensive minded left side defenseman. With a 2-3 year deal, that player could be a nice bridge to the young kids and could potentially be exposed in the expansion draft. Brendan Dillon is the obvious choice but he may be a little pricey. Marco Scandella and Joel Edmonton may make more sense. Others may become available.

You can’t force square pegs into round holes.

Why does Trouba's ES partner have to be the same as his PK partner?

 

[bobbop]

Why does Trouba's ES partner have to be the same as his PK partner?

Then who is going to be his PK partner?

 

[aufheben]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/jeff-gortons-savviness-set-him-up-for-next-rangers-challenge/

Graves stings, but its not as bad as the Smith deals.

Citing Graves as Gorton's worst deal is hilarious. The dude is completely carried by Makar and MacKinnon, I've even seen Avs fans say as much. This is no different than when Jeff Schultz led the league in +/- during 2009-10 on that Caps team that scored approx. 15,000 goals. It's honestly not even worth thinking about.

 

[SA16]

DeAngelo is simply not the right partner for Trouba. You are never going to maximize either of their strengths by pairing them up. Trouba is the defenseman who logged the most time on the PK and Tony got zilch.

Marc Staal led the Rangers in PK time per game and was Zilch DeAngelos regular partner...

 

[Avery16]

Then who is going to be his PK partner?

Smith or Staal for now, but it doesn't have to be DeAngelo. DeAngelo not playing PK shouldn't prevent him from getting ES minutes with Trouba.