Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIII: 33rd thread twds the line of dead

[Yankeekid07]

He's a better player than his numbers to start the year, and he's not going to sustain his current pace over 82 games. But 30/60? Yeah, I think that's fair.

In the end, it's really his assists that could see the biggest jump this season and be the difference between him being a 55 point vs. 60 point player.

Kreider has always been AJ Burnett to me...has the tools to be an elite player, just could never put it all together consistently.

I mean listen, do I think Kreider is a good player? yes 100% but in 3/4 years when he loses a step or two...I will not wanna be paying him $7/8 (I keep going back to that number b/c that I think is reasonable) for a guy on his back 9...probably closer to a 40 point pace? No.

Could I be wrong and he sustains a 50-55 point pace the next 5-7 years? Absolutely, but I would not make that bet.

 

[bobbop]

The “pro trade” crowd are going to lose their minds lol

We’re way past that!

 

[Matt Rentfree]

That could definitely be a factor. The question is whether or not you want to bet $7m a year on that prospect. I personally don't. If we get the typical Kreider next season and he's making $7m I expect a lot of complaining and finger pointing to start.

I don't want to pay Kreider 7/7/NMC either. I'd love to keep him but I also don't want to be handcuffed by a bad contract later on.

 

[SA16]

I was wondering if Kreider's breakout season wasn't just him having a career high shooting percentage. Checked the numbers. Yep. Career high shooting percentage.

 

[I Eat Crow]

It comes down to this also.

The LW depth after Panarin organizationally is piss poor. Lemieux isn't a top 6 forward. The Rangers would need to acquire a middle 6 LW via trade that can meaningfully contribute to replace Kreider. If you bring Kreider back, Buchnevich is going to be too costly to keep.

 

[Yankeekid07]

Agreed. Appreciate you being cool about it. I’ve only had one person on here act like a dick because we have different views. But like you said we are all on the same team here. We just want to win

Absolutely! Would be happy to join ya at the Cup Parade! I dk why people take sports debates personally??

 

[NYRangers0723]

Kreider has always been AJ Burnett to me...has the tools to be an elite player, just could never put it all together consistently.

I mean listen, do I think Kreider is a good player? yes 100% but in 3/4 years when he loses a step or two...I will not wanna be paying him $7/8 (I keep going back to that number b/c that I think is reasonable) for a guy on his back 9...probably closer to a 40 point pace? No.

Could I be wrong and he sustains a 50-55 point pace the next 5-7 years? Absolutely, but I would not make that bet.

AJ Burnett is not a good example IMO. Even with inconsistencies CK is one of the best in front of the net, so crucial on the pp and opens up space as good as anyone.

 

[kovazub94]

Seriously.

Kinda enraging that they'd do Hank like this, but haven't come up with a solution to get Staal or Smith the heck out of here.

Do you recall that Staal missed a bunch of games, some of them - being a healthy scratch because he had someone expected to play better. I think he also didn't get immediately back to being a regular after becoming healthy. The difference is that in Hank's place they have adequate options but in Staal's they don't.

 

[duhmetreE]

Another thing on Kreider I promise you it hurts Mika’s game to lose him as well. There’s a real chemistry there that has made Mika a better player as well. It hurts our powerplay BADLY as well. Maybe even more than anything.

it’s not just losing the individual talent it’s that he actually does make the players around him better

He makes his line go. It's been evident for years now.

A lot of the things he does, doesn't always show up on a stat sheet... His worth/value is not correlated in his stats.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Absolutely! Would be happy to join ya at the Cup Parade! I dk why people take sports debates personally??

Yeah it’s crazy. I’m a big sports fan but it’s not the end all be all. Like I said everyone on here is cool except for one but at the end of the day it should be taken too seriously

 

[Edge]

Kreider has always been AJ Burnett to me...has the tools to be an elite player, just could never put it all together consistently.

I mean listen, do I think Kreider is a good player? yes 100% but in 3/4 years when he loses a step or two...I will not wanna be paying him $7/8 (I keep going back to that number b/c that I think is reasonable) for a guy on his back 9...probably closer to a 40 point pace? No.

Could I be wrong and he sustains a 50-55 point pace the next 5-7 years? Absolutely, but I would not make that bet.

For the most part, I feel like Kreider is what he is - roughly a 30 goal, 60 point player. Plus or minus a few digits based on his team.

He’s a first line LW, who is neither the best or worst at this position, but is unique. He can be all over the map offensively from game to game and week to week, but his end of year totals are remarkably consistent.

There’s not a lot of mystery for me with Kreider.

 

[duhmetreE]

What if Kreider extended at 5 years x $8.25 million. I know a lot of people want to see him re-signed but are nervous about the last few years of the contract. Would you prefer that over some of the other contracts that have been discussed?

And I'm just asking as a way of playing devils advocate.

I'm on it. I dont think we're going to need capspace in the next 5 years. The hurdle is next year, once past that, it'd be when the kids want UFA money

 

[bobbop]

What are the gaps? That's the question. If they have agreed on AAV and term and are just haggling over no trade rights, then I'd say it's a done deal. If they are still far apart on AAV and term, he's a goner.

Even with the Kase deal, I wouldn't rule out Boston. Maybe Kase will be part of the deal for Kreider.

Front loading dollars and bonus vs. salary are two additional variables

 

[Ghost of jas]

He's a better player than his numbers to start the year, and he's not going to sustain his current pace over 82 games. But 30/60? Yeah, I think that's fair.

In the end, it's really his assists that could see the biggest jump this season and be the difference between him being a 55 point vs. 60 point player.

Not for nothing, but having a 30/60 LW behind your 100 point top LW is really nice to have, especially when you have a 1C that is putting up almost 1.2 PPG, one of the highest scoring defenses in the league and a goalie quickly establishing himself as elite. This team is a lot farther ahead than people are willing to admit.

 

[TheBPA]

I was wondering if Kreider's breakout season wasn't just him having a career high shooting percentage. Checked the numbers. Yep. Career high shooting percentage.

Meh, it's career high, but not by much. If you used his career average shooting percentage, he'd have 20 goals instead of 24. Still would be on a 58 point pace.

 

[NYRangers0723]

For the most part, I feel like Kreider is what he is - roughly a 30 goal, 60 point player. Plus or minus a few digits based on his team.

He’s a first line LW, who is neither the best or worst at this position, but is unique. He can be all over the map offensively from game to game and week to week, but his end of year totals are remarkably consistent.

There’s not a lot of mystery for me with Kreider

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Great Post Edge. Thanks for being objective. I’ve always accepted him for what he is. He may not the the superstar people wanted but he is very good and unique player. I do hate when people call him “lazy” because that’s utter bullshit. It’s fair to say sometimes he overthinks but that’s different than being lazy

 

[Trxjw]

It comes down to this also.

The LW depth after Panarin organizationally is piss poor. Lemieux isn't a top 6 forward. The Rangers would need to acquire a middle 6 LW via trade that can meaningfully contribute to replace Kreider. If you bring Kreider back, Buchnevich is going to be too costly to keep.

Well the good news on that front is that the LW is historically one of the easier positions to fill in the NHL.

 

[cheech70]

Sell Hi...........Strome Georgie

 

[Ghost of jas]

And, I’m not really concerned about being able to pay Lemieux. He’s a nice player, but he’s not exactly a core piece IMO.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Stingy Sakic must be licking his chops after he heard Boston traded for Kase

And, I’m not really concerned about being able to pay Lemieux. He’s a nice player, but he’s not exactly a core piece IMO.

The guy has 15 points, he’s for sure not breaking the bank haha

 

[Ghost of jas]

Sell Hi...........Strome Georgie

I don’t think selling @hi helps the Rangers cap situation.

 

[NYRangers0723]

And, I’m not really concerned about being able to pay Lemieux. He’s a nice player, but he’s not exactly a core piece IMO.

True. I like him too. Let’s be honest that’s what we would be getting for CK along with a late first. Let’s be honest we got lucky that the Jets folded in the playoffs and it dropped to 20 overall. Then of course we overpaid Trouba which was a massive mistake lol

 

[duhmetreE]

Not for nothing, but having a 30/60 LW behind your 100 point top LW is really nice to have, especially when you have a 1C that is putting up almost 1.2 PPG, one of the highest scoring defenses in the league and a goalie quickly establishing himself as elite. This team is a lot farther ahead than people are willing to admit.

It doesn't fit their narrative...

TANK, we need more picks.. Sell off anyone over 27 or UFA. We need moar picks

 

[rangers1314]

And, I’m not really concerned about being able to pay Lemieux. He’s a nice player, but he’s not exactly a core piece IMO.

Agreed - but I think the HC is a fan of his and the type of game that he plays.

Quinn isn't a fan of the passiveness like AV was. He wants guys like Lemieux around.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

So I don’t know why everyone is freaking out about this Boston deal. It’s super clear that this deal in a vacuum makes zero sense for Boston right now. Trading for a player with potential and no playoff experience. They need Kreider. They just cleared the cap space for him(they prob want to sign him). We are probably working with them on a deal that includes Kase + future picks + other prospects for Kreider right now. Calling it.