Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIII: 33rd thread twds the line of dead

[Mr Clutch]

Moving skjei should either happen now, at the draft, or in the offseason. I would think his value would be highest now since teams are all in but if we want a similar forward back it may have to happen at the draft. But definitely need to get rid of him, don't need his inconsistency at that cap hit

 

[NYRangers0723]

I disagree. I think it is what a coach trying to win games and get a top prospect some playing time looks like.

If they were forcing him out, I feel like they would have given Georgie many more starts than they did early in the year. I also think Quinn has been remarkably consistent in his messaging and follow through regarding his goaltenders. When asked about Hank, he has said since game 1 they will go with the guy that gives them the best shot to win. Sometimes that was Hank, sometimes that was Georgie (hence their splitting of games for the first half of the season) and since Igor has burst on the scene, it is now himn.

Exactly. They aren’t forcing him out but he had to understand that it’s not his time anymore. Igor is the guy now and gives us the best chance to win. They also love Georgiev and aren’t interested in just giving him away

 

[rangers1314]

But we need to remember, we are trading Kreider, not McDavid. We aren't trading Kreider because of the potential return. We would be trading Kreider because they couldn't come to terms on a contract and we have no choice.

We can want Newhook, Kaut, whoever in exchange for him, but the reality is if the team has determined he will be traded you have to take the best offer you can get and if the best deal we can get is the 1st + 2nd + Kamanev + Ranta, that is what we will take. Sure, you could say hold out for more. But then you risk Sakic picking up his ball and going home and taking a significantly worse return, similar to what Garth Snow did with Vanek back in 2014. He overplayed his hand, turned down a 1st + for Vanek and ended up having to settle for a 2nd + Collberg. Or, like Sather was rumored to have done with Talbot.

Am I suggesting that Gorton should take any deal that comes his way? Of course not. But if it is 1:30 pm Monday and we are down to 2-3 serious suitors, all it takes is for one to drop out for JG to lose all his leverage. I'd love to see a mammoth haul for Kreider. But this is McDonagh & Sergachev all over again. Expecting a piece(s) that are realistically never going to be on the table. It is a surefire way to set yourself up for disappointment. Most of the deals that are being proposed here for Kreider, if the roles were reversed we would be laughing our asses off at the asking price.

Do you have any info on the offers he turned down?

 

[mas0764]

Dont forget, MacKinnon was a 'bust' until his 5th year in the league.. As in living up to his hype 'next-crosby'... Maybe it has something to do with Colorado.

Maybe Jost is worth taking a flyer on.. but I'd still rather move Buch instead of Kreider.

Gonna get real interesting around here if Kakko takes as long to break out as McKinnon did.

I wonder, if we knew that was the case, if people would be way more willing to trade Kreider.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Do you have any info on the offers he turned down?

Only from what was rumored on these boards at the time. My only legitimate NHL connections were to the Islanders organization and they have been gone for the last 10 years. The rumor was that Sather had a 1st rounder offered for Talbot and turned/put the GM on hold to try to get more.

 

[Kovalev27]

people keep thinking hank can just go to a Cup contender whenever he’s ready to waive his NMC

the sad truth is no Cup contender wants him. They aren’t calling. Last year one team did. But not happening this year. He’s not a better option than what most of them already have.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

As for Henke, I believe the likelihood of him being a Ranger next year continues to decrease on a daily basis.

I am still of the belief that he is retiring.

 

[duhmetreE]

Gonna get real interesting around here if Kakko takes as long to break out as McKinnon did.

I wonder, if we knew that was the case, if people would be way more willing to trade Kreider.

I'm confident with the way players have developed here.

Year 3 should be gucci. Chytil did an absolute 180 early this year and I'd expect him time have a "breakout" season next year

It is also why we need to retain a veteran presence.

 

[Gardner McKay]

people keep thinking hank can just go to a Cup contender whenever he’s ready to waive his NMC

the sad truth is no Cup contender wants him. They aren’t calling. Last year one team did. But not happening this year. He’s not a better option than what most of them already have.

Agreed. And @Oscar Lindberg beat me too it but I 100% agree. If Henrik had gotten some games, MAYBE there would be an outside chance. Even if we retained 50% no team is going to take on $4 million for a goaltender that has barely played in the last 2 months.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Gonna get real interesting around here if Kakko takes as long to break out as McKinnon did.

I wonder, if we knew that was the case, if people would be way more willing to trade Kreider.

they’ll call him a bust by this time next year.

as far as Kreider, he kicked it in and is playing the best hockey of his career after a slow start and is now flooring it during a contract year.

 

[mas0764]

Cant we do the same to #18?

Seriously.

Kinda enraging that they'd do Hank like this, but haven't come up with a solution to get Staal or Smith the heck out of here.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Regardless he isn’t giving up his top prospects so I think we can close the lid on that idea lol

These threads will be for naught, if they win these next two games.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Moving skjei should either happen now, at the draft, or in the offseason. I would think his value would be highest now since teams are all in but if we want a similar forward back it may have to happen at the draft. But definitely need to get rid of him, don't need his inconsistency at that cap hit

I get why people are down on Skjei, but the way I see it, right now we need a 1st pairing LD. If we move Skjei, we're going to need a 2nd pairing LD as well. The problem isn't Skjei, it's the minutes and quality of competition that Skjei is forced to play. He was fine when McD was here slotted above him. If we can somehow get a 1/2 LD, I think he'll look a lot better - the same way Kreider is looking better at least in part because teams now have Panarin to worry about.

 

[mas0764]

two years into a rebuild and you can’t keep doing it lol

The "we can't keep rebuilding anymore without damaging the team" argument is just delusional.

Yes, at some point that becomes true. But in no way, shape or form is it true right now.

We could backslide into the bottom 10 next year and I wouldn't be the least bit concerned. And it wouldn't be shocking, either, since we've been carried by career years (or career-hot streaks) from players who are not still "developing" in Panarin, Zibanejad, and Kreider (ie, Buch is having a career year, but he's still turning into what he's gonna be).

Wouldn't be surprising if Panarin only score 85 next year instead of 110, if Zibanejad only goes on pace to score 75 instead of 95, if Kreider reverts to a 48 point pace instead of having two months on pace for 70 where we win 9 out of 10 games (or if he's simply traded).

Yes, Kakko will pick up some of that slack hopefully, as will Chytil, but it wouldn't be shocking to see this team back down around 7th or 8th in the lottery.

But that's if things go bad. But just saying --- it wouldn't be harmful long term to us.

If I had to put money on it, I'd bet this team makes the playoffs next year. Even if the forwards backslide, probably too much improvement on the Defense and stability in goal.

 

[GAGLine]

It wasn't an issue the 1st half of the season. Georgie is till getting his reps while HL is not. He's been lit up 3 out of his last 4 games. 2 starts in January and 2 starts in Feb so far.

It should serve as a wake up to him. I'd expect him to be professional but I doubt he stays here if Georgie isn't moved.

We know there are conversations between Hank, Quinn, Gorton and JD, but we don't know what's being said on either side. Maybe the plan is to eventually move Georgiev, but they don't think that will happen until the offseason, so Hank just has to ride it out and then split time with Igor next year. Or maybe Hank wants the opportunity to be a #1 again and/or a better chance at a cup and the Rangers are exploring trade/buy out scenarios to accommodate him. Or maybe Hank is thinking about retiring and spending a couple years playing with his brother in Frolunda.

It's all just speculation at this point, but Hank knows the score, and I'm sure the Rangers will do everything they can to treat Hank with the respect he deserves. That treatment, though, won't include playing him when another goalie gives us a better chance to win, and it won't involve trading Georgiev for pennies on the dollar. Kevin Weekes got squeezed out by a better young goalie, so this situation is familiar to Hank, though I don't imagine that makes it any less frustrating.

 

[Gardner McKay]

These threads will be for naught, if they win these next two games.

I could be wrong but I don't think so. Two games aren't going to be enough to make Rangers brass decide we are contenders/at least push for the playoffs. They aren't going to be enough to make them break from the plan. Now, if we had 80 points... that might be a different story. But we don't.

 

[Kovalev27]

Columbus just lost Bjorkstrand for 8-10 weeks with a fractured ankle. Brutal

torts hockey just isn’t conducive to long term health. Freak accident totally but that team has been gutted with injuries. No way they stay in this thing. Have lost 7 straight.

 

[I Eat Crow]

people keep thinking hank can just go to a Cup contender whenever he’s ready to waive his NMC

the sad truth is no Cup contender wants him. They aren’t calling. Last year one team did. But not happening this year. He’s not a better option than what most of them already have.

Best thing for him is to retire.

He plays in Sweden with his brother another year or two before really hanging them up, at which point he has a nice job with MSG, Garden of Dreams, or the Rangers waiting for him upon retirement to make up for the money he leaves on the table.

Hold a press conference after the deadline and announce it with JD, Gorton, and Hank all together on the stage.

 

[mas0764]

I'm confident with the way players have developed here.

Year 3 should be gucci. Chytil did an absolute 180 early this year and I'd expect him time have a "breakout" season next year

It is also why we need to retain a veteran presence.

But we do have a veteran presence in Panarin, Zbad, Buch, Strome, possibly Fast and Sjkei, Trouba, Staal and Smith (who aren't going anywhere for another year sadly).

 

[rangers1314]

Moving skjei should either happen now, at the draft, or in the offseason. I would think his value would be highest now since teams are all in but if we want a similar forward back it may have to happen at the draft. But definitely need to get rid of him, don't need his inconsistency at that cap hit

I don't think they NEED to get rid of him, but they do need to find someone who can play above him. He's a 2nd pairing guy and his cap hit isn't out of control for what he is.

However, they should look to see what his market is this summer. Keep in mind after next season his modified NTC kicks in. A 10 team no list.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

people keep thinking hank can just go to a Cup contender whenever he’s ready to waive his NMC

the sad truth is no Cup contender wants him. They aren’t calling. Last year one team did. But not happening this year. He’s not a better option than what most of them already have.

He may not be a realistic option for teams bc of cap and salary implications, but have you seen how some starters have been performing this season?

Lundqvist would be an improvement over many regulars. Holtby, Andersen, Fleury, Bobrovsky, Mrazek, Rinne, Hart, Koskinen/Smith tandem. These guys are all playing worse behind behind teams.

Christ, everyone praises Fleury and he's at .906 behind one of the best teams in the league at limiting chances. Holtby is at .896 behind the freaking Capitals!

Of course the cap and contracts and stuff would prevent any of these teams from being interested, but these are playoff teams that have goalies playing worse than Lundqvist.

 

[RangerBoy]

It is becoming increasingly clear that Henrik Lundqvist 's days in Manhattan are counted.

After almost 15 years as the first keeper, the king has been allowed to leave the throne. In the NHL with Uffe Bodin, there will be an analysis of the inevitable divorce that awaits between Henrik Lundqvist and the New York Rangers. A breakup that, tragically, seems to be unworthy of whatever form it takes.

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[Kovalev27]

He may not be a realistic option for teams bc of cap and salary implications, but have you seen how some starters have been performing this season?

Lundqvist would be an improvement over many regulars. Holtby, Andersen, Fleury, Bobrovsky, Mrazek, Rinne, Hart, Koskinen/Smith tandem. These guys are all playing worse behind behind teams.

Christ, everyone praises Fleury and he's at .906 behind one of the best teams in the league at limiting chances. Holtby is at .896 behind the freaking Capitals!

Of course the cap and contracts and stuff would prevent any of these teams from being interested, but these are playoff teams that have goalies playing worse than Lundqvist.

so more than half of the guys on your list are expensive old guys that aren’t very good anymore and you think teams want to replace them with another expensive old guy that isn’t any good anymore?


I don’t

 

[GAGLine]

He may not be a realistic option for teams bc of cap and salary implications, but have you seen how some starters have been performing this season?

Lundqvist would be an improvement over many regulars. Holtby, Andersen, Fleury, Bobrovsky, Mrazek, Rinne, Hart, Koskinen/Smith tandem. These guys are all playing worse behind behind teams.

Christ, everyone praises Fleury and he's at .906 behind one of the best teams in the league at limiting chances. Holtby is at .896 behind the freaking Capitals!

Of course the cap and contracts and stuff would prevent any of these teams from being interested, but these are playoff teams that have goalies playing worse than Lundqvist.

The Rangers can get creative and involve a 3rd team to knock the cap hit down further. Hank for 1 year at 2.125 mil would be appealing to several teams, I would think, though from Hank's perspective I imagine it would need to be a team that has a realistic shot at the cup. Even if the only thing we get out of it is cap space, that would be fine.

 

[NYRangers0723]

These threads will be for naught, if they win these next two games.

I want to win. Let’s get into the playoffs!!!