Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIII: 33rd thread twds the line of dead

[duhmetreE]

Hank can’t even get a Carolina start. I’m 100 with Quinn here but that’s rough for hank. If he can’t play them who does he play against?

This is what 'forcing him out' looks like

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This is what 'forcing him out' looks like

Cant we do the same to #18?

 

[Thirty One]

Hank can’t even get a Carolina start. I’m 100 with Quinn here but that’s rough for hank. If he can’t play them who does he play against?

I think that question was answered when Igor was hurt and Georgiev played 3 in 4 nights.

 

[duhmetreE]

Cant we do the same to #18?

I don't know what the coaches see... IF we get a defenseman equivalent to Igor, it wouldn't be a problem. Our LHD is our biggest weakness IMO..

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Some will actually be pissed if that happens lol

Inconsolable.

 

[Trxjw]

I would rather a roster player with a bit more upside/less of an injury history, or a prospect who is closer to being NHL ready. If that means we get 3 pieces instead of 4, or 2 pieces instead of 3, that's fine.

Yeah I can agree with that. Which is why I think the Rangers will push for someone like Jost or Heinen to be included in the deal along with a prospect and the 1st round pick. Even if it means including one of their own prospects in the deal to get it done.

 

[charliemurphy]

Kamenev isn't trash, but he's more likely a 4th line player than anything else and he's had some struggles staying healthy.

Ranta is a very raw talent who could end up as a Benoit Pouliot type. I think people are crapping on it because they're still convinced there's a "wow" piece coming back for Kreider, and that's just not going to happen.

Respectfully disagree. Kamanev having some struggles staying healthy is being kind. Last couple of seasons have been brutal. He would serve no purpose in the Rangers org. unless its to fill in at Hartford when he's healthy.
Not to crap on that proposal but it would be wiser to target players the Rangers could use to fill a need like Kaut or Beaucage along with Ranta. Of the prospects mentioned on this thread it would be Jost and Kamanev that I would be most wary of. Way too may question marks with both of them to be involved in a trade for Kreider.

 

[Gardner McKay]

This is what 'forcing him out' looks like

I disagree. I think it is what a coach trying to win games and get a top prospect some playing time looks like.

If they were forcing him out, I feel like they would have given Georgie many more starts than they did early in the year. I also think Quinn has been remarkably consistent in his messaging and follow through regarding his goaltenders. When asked about Hank, he has said since game 1 they will go with the guy that gives them the best shot to win. Sometimes that was Hank, sometimes that was Georgie (hence their splitting of games for the first half of the season) and since Igor has burst on the scene, it is now himn.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

That’s an insane deal. A 1st, and two former 1sts who, while having disappointing seasons, still have real upside. And a conditional pick on top? That’s a great return.

This doesn't really matter anymore, at least in Jost's case.

You want to to sell me on the NHL.com suggestion with Jost in place of Kamanev? Fine.

Does Ranta even break into Colorado's top 5 prospects? 6? 7?

 

[NYSPORTS]

This is what 'forcing him out' looks like

Agree and it also look like he refuses to take a hint.

is he banking on Georgiev getting traded so he can sit through his contract?

What’s his plan if Georgiev isn’t traded? Guessing the Rangers won’t even bother dressing him.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Inconsolable.

Like I said many times I wanted to rebuild two years before we ended up doing it but at some point you can’t keep doing it. Look I completely understand avoid disasterous contracts I get that but if you find a way to make it work and you are ahead of schedule then I feel it’s time to start competing

 

[Ghost of jas]

I can live with Jost, Kaut, a 1st and a conditional 2nd for Kreider, tied to either re-signing, or how far the Avs go in the playoffs.

 

[Fireonk]

I can live with Jost, Kaut, a 1st and a conditional 2nd for Kreider, tied to either re-signing, or how far the Avs go in the playoffs.

This would be as good as you could possibly ask for on a rental return. Any one not happy with that return doesn't have a real interest in trading Kreider (which is a fair take.)

 

[Trxjw]

Respectfully disagree. Kamanev having some struggles staying healthy is being kind. Last couple of seasons have been brutal. He would serve no purpose in the Rangers org. unless its to fill in at Hartford when he's healthy.
Not to crap on that proposal but it would be wiser to target players the Rangers could use to fill a need like Kaut or Beaucage along with Ranta. Of the prospects mentioned on this thread it would be Jost and Kamanev that I would be most wary of. Way too may question marks with both of them to be involved in a trade for Kreider.

Beaucage and Kaut have major question marks just like Jost and Kamanev. In fact they probably have more question marks given that one has been pretty unremarkable as an AHLer and the other has basically stagnated in the Q. At least Jost and Kamanev have proven to be somewhat useful contributors in the NHL.

Kreider is a rental trade. Rental trades are almost exclusively built around question marks and lottery tickets.

 

[rangers1314]

Any condition on a pick should be based on the teams playoff performance.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Cant we do the same to #18?

lol - he’s like lost baggage on an airport baggage carousel. Nobody wants him but he keeps coming around. I’m back . . . again.

 

[BLEETCH1994]

Oh Monday 4 PM, where art thou?

 

[duhmetreE]

I disagree. I think it is what a coach trying to win games and get a top prospect some playing time looks like.

If they were forcing him out, I feel like they would have given Georgie many more starts than they did early in the year. I also think Quinn has been remarkably consistent in his messaging and follow through regarding his goaltenders. When asked about Hank, he has said since game 1 they will go with the guy that gives them the best shot to win. Sometimes that was Hank, sometimes that was Georgie (hence their splitting of games for the first half of the season) and since Igor has burst on the scene, it is now himn.

It wasn't an issue the 1st half of the season. Georgie is till getting his reps while HL is not. He's been lit up 3 out of his last 4 games. 2 starts in January and 2 starts in Feb so far.

It should serve as a wake up to him. I'd expect him to be professional but I doubt he stays here if Georgie isn't moved.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I disagree. I think it is what a coach trying to win games and get a top prospect some playing time looks like.

If they were forcing him out, I feel like they would have given Georgie many more starts than they did early in the year. I also think Quinn has been remarkably consistent in his messaging and follow through regarding his goaltenders. When asked about Hank, he has said since game 1 they will go with the guy that gives them the best shot to win. Sometimes that was Hank, sometimes that was Georgie (hence their splitting of games for the first half of the season) and since Igor has burst on the scene, it is now himn.

This is mostly true but I have a sour taste in my mouth a little with Hank/DQ because I still think him pulling Hank in the second intermission of the Dallas game when we were trailing 4-2 was really stupid. A 2 goal game and you're pulling your goalie?

Georgiev looked like ass vs Minnesota in the first 2 periods and we trailed 3-1 going into the third, why didn't he get pulled?

Say it's to shake up the team all you want, but stuff like that makes me tilt my head. And Hank should've started one of the 3 in 4 nights Georgiev got. Treating the guy like he cant play at all is ridiculous unless of course they actually are trying to push him out.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Like I said many times I wanted to rebuild two years before we ended up doing it but at some point you can’t keep doing it.

two years into a rebuild and you can’t keep doing it lol

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

lol - he’s like lost baggage on an airport baggage carousel. Nobody wants him but he keeps coming around. I’m back . . . again.

Someone needs to send him to the lost and found where hopefully he can be picked up by Minnesota.

 

[Ghost of jas]

As for Henke, I believe the likelihood of him being a Ranger next year continues to decrease on a daily basis.

 

[Zibanejbread]

I can live with Jost, Kaut, a 1st and a conditional 2nd for Kreider, tied to either re-signing, or how far the Avs go in the playoffs.

Same and honestly probably the best offer we'll get.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Respectfully disagree. Kamanev having some struggles staying healthy is being kind. Last couple of seasons have been brutal. He would serve no purpose in the Rangers org. unless its to fill in at Hartford when he's healthy.
Not to crap on that proposal but it would be wiser to target players the Rangers could use to fill a need like Kaut or Beaucage along with Ranta. Of the prospects mentioned on this thread it would be Jost and Kamanev that I would be most wary of. Way too may question marks with both of them to be involved in a trade for Kreider.

But we need to remember, we are trading Kreider, not McDavid. We aren't trading Kreider because of the potential return. We would be trading Kreider because they couldn't come to terms on a contract and we have no choice.

We can want Newhook, Kaut, whoever in exchange for him, but the reality is if the team has determined he will be traded you have to take the best offer you can get and if the best deal we can get is the 1st + 2nd + Kamanev + Ranta, that is what we will take. Sure, you could say hold out for more. But then you risk Sakic picking up his ball and going home and taking a significantly worse return, similar to what Garth Snow did with Vanek back in 2014. He overplayed his hand, turned down a 1st + for Vanek and ended up having to settle for a 2nd + Collberg. Or, like Sather was rumored to have done with Talbot.

Am I suggesting that Gorton should take any deal that comes his way? Of course not. But if it is 1:30 pm Monday and we are down to 2-3 serious suitors, all it takes is for one to drop out for JG to lose all his leverage. I'd love to see a mammoth haul for Kreider. But this is McDonagh & Sergachev all over again. Expecting a piece(s) that are realistically never going to be on the table. It is a surefire way to set yourself up for disappointment. Most of the deals that are being proposed here for Kreider, if the roles were reversed we would be laughing our asses off at the asking price.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Same and honestly probably the best offer we'll get.

I have no insider knowledge but I can't help but think if that offer is ever on the table at any point JG says yes and then kidnaps Sakic so he can't renege. Again, this is Kreider, not McDavid. That is a Brian Leetch level haul and Leetch is one of the top 15-20 defensemen of all time. Kreider isn't one of the top 15-20 players in the league.