Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXII: One Thing Leads to Another

[haohmaru]

It's the state of hockey.

He'd have a good time with Zuccarello but I think his Cup chances would actually be better staying put.

 

[egelband]

I believe the Rangers preference is, and remains, to go with Shesterkin and Georgiev.

There is definitely tension in the Rangers-Lundqvist relationship right now. I think the Rangers are hoping they don't have to buy Lundqvist out, but I definitely do not think there is a fear about doing so.

I think Henrik must be in a state of mild shock. From the outside looking in I’m amazed Ranger brass is climbing this hill for a fight. And I don’t see why it’s even necessary. Maybe I’m misreading what’s happening but it really appears the Rangers are putting the screws to Hank.

 

[BKGooner]

isn't Roy French for king? 33 might feel funny on Hank's back but carrying the Avs would be lighter than the load he hauled here. Pure speculation but a gut feeling I have had for a few years....

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Don't see this team winning the Cup next year either.

Way too early to say that...and yes, I'm an optimist

 

[FIRE DRURY]

He may be the type based on production, but he is not the player I want to commit to. I don't like him as a player, and for a team looking at cap concerns to resign one of their stud d men (ADA) you dont trade a top player on an ELC for a 7mil a year cap hit. The idea is to move out salary for salary and honor the extreme value of players on ELCs playing at a top level, not waste that value...

I never suggested we should be trading for Nylander. I just wanted to point out that Dubas will likely find more attractive options than Skjei+Geo for him.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Trade Georgiev for Labanc.

Revisit Hank situation in offseason. If they absolutely must then buy him out. And i think it only comes to that if they re-sign Kreider.

Sign Talbot or another vet to backup Igor.

why a vet. why have a younger vet be the backup? someone in the 24 25 26 27 year old age with a some pro experience. not some over the hill 33 year old collecting a retirement check +

 

[NYR Viper]

The fact that we don't have confirmed lines for tonight as of yet, to me, means they are trying to determine who is playing and that players are more than likely sitting out

 

[Mac n Gs]

The fact that we don't have confirmed lines for tonight as of yet, to me, means they are trying to determine who is playing and that players are more than likely sitting out

This isn’t that uncommon at all when there’s an optional skate. There’s plenty of instances where we don’t find out the lineup until 530-6pm or so.

 

[bleedblue94]

I never suggested we should be trading for Nylander. I just wanted to point out that Dubas will likely find more attractive options than Skjei+Geo for him.

I literally replied to your original post saying I wouldn't trade a young stud d man on an ELC and you replied to me and said:

"He’s 23, signed for 4 additional years with 2 60 pt seasons in his resume. He’s about to have his 3rd, producing close to a PPG this year with 52p in 59 games.

He’s exactly the type of player you do move a young stud dman for if you need help offensively."

You defended your notion of such a trade otherwise you wouldn't have replied to me. No one in their right mind will trade a stud d man on an elc for a wing that's under a ppg on an elite offensive team w a 7mil cap hit. Not NYR nor another team.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

3 games til the deadline I wonder it seems early to sit guys but if the contract talk isnt going well I guess you have to.

 

[RangersFan1994]

The fact that we don't have confirmed lines for tonight as of yet, to me, means they are trying to determine who is playing and that players are more than likely sitting out

should't this go in the game thread. this roster thread is so confusing. lmfao

 

[RGY]

why a vet. why have a younger vet be the backup? someone in the 24 25 26 27 year old age with a some pro experience. not some over the hill 33 year old collecting a retirement check +

Who is this younger 24-27 year old with experience that is happy to take a cheap 1-2 year deal? Let me see the names listed. Because a large majority of the free agents to be are vets 28 years or older. You want someone who is ok playing 25 games and that can also help Igor along. Yes i know we have Benoit Allaire, but having a veteran with Igor is just as helpful.

 

[leetch99]

f*ck Alec Martinez.

Aww Shit...now that was funny !!! Thanks for the laugh !!!

 

[bleedblue94]

This whole fiction of AG for Labanc needs to end here. If that offer were on the table I'm sure NYR would've already accepted it. Guy is a rfa this year and having a down year. Would be perfect pickup from a skill, age, and potential contract situation with the down year. I cant fathom that if that were an option for NYR that it wouldn't have happened already...

 

[RangersFan1994]

Henrik Lundqvist tells Swedish papers he is uncertain of his Rangers future - Forever Blueshirts: Best source for New York Rangers news, analysis and trade rumors

 

[RGY]

This whole fiction of AG for Labanc needs to end here. If that offer were on the table I'm sure NYR would've already accepted it. Guy is a rfa this year and having a down year. Would be perfect pickup from a skill, age, and potential contract situation with the down year. I cant fathom that if that were an option for NYR that it wouldn't have happened already...

We dont know its not an option or one thats been pursued yet because maybe the Rangers have been hesitant to dive into what to do with Georgiev as of today. Maybe by the weekend things will change.

 

[Thirty One]

Henrik Lundqvist tells Swedish papers he is uncertain of his Rangers future - Forever Blueshirts: Best source for New York Rangers news, analysis and trade rumors

May 6, 2019

 

[bleedblue94]

Who is this younger 24-27 year old with experience that is happy to take a cheap 1-2 year deal? Let me see the names listed. Because a large majority of the free agents to be are vets 28 years or older. You want someone who is ok playing 25 games and that can also help Igor along. Yes i know we have Benoit Allaire, but having a veteran with Igor is just as helpful.

I see both sides to the coin on this, but I also believe it's different when you have a guy like AG to go with IS. AG has been up and down in the NHL for three years now. He isn't completely new to the NHL. IS has played in a pro league for six years already prior to this year, and three of those years was with moderate usage. Neither is a 20 year old kid, both are 24 which is to say they are both already in the lower end of that age group you listed for someone with some experience.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

The fact that we don't have confirmed lines for tonight as of yet, to me, means they are trying to determine who is playing and that players are more than likely sitting out

Yep. I have a feeling tonight is Kreids last one as a Ranger, if he suits up.

 

[bleedblue94]

We dont know its not an option or one thats been pursued yet because maybe the Rangers have been hesitant to dive into what to do with Georgiev as of today. Maybe by the weekend things will change.

I try to be more rational based on the movement, standings, and lack there of so far. Wilson loves Labanc, if he were going to trade him wouldn't he have done it in season while his team still had a chance to make the playoffs with some improved goaltending rather than at the deadline while his team is already starting to sell off? If he's writing the season off wouldn't he then wait until the offseason with more options for movement and try to fix his goaltending and then and keep Labanc?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

As some have said here, I can’t imagine Georgiev would be thrilled with the fact that he’s in his prime age range for a goalie and he’s automatically being passed over by Igor should Henrik be removed from the situation.

 

[Fitzy]

If we do end up trading Georgiev and Kreider then there's not much point in buying out Henrik. Let him be the backup. Plenty of space to sign ADA if Kreider isn't coming back without pulling a bunch of galaxy brain buyouts that kick the cap can down the road.

If Hank is traded- I'm still open to trading Georgiev down the road but it would be nice to have a season or two to establish which of the two we truly like more.

 

[RGY]

I see both sides to the coin on this, but I also believe it's different when you have a guy like AG to go with IS. AG has been up and down in the NHL for three years now. He isn't completely new to the NHL. IS has played in a pro league for six years already prior to this year, and three of those years was with moderate usage. Neither is a 20 year old kid, both are 24 which is to say they are both already in the lower end of that age group you listed for someone with some experience.

Hold on....

The post you are quoting was in response to someone stating we should find someone in that age range to replace Georgiev...

The scenario is we would move Georgiev for a forward, doesnt have to be Labanc. Could be another team in need of goaltending. The Rangers also buyout Hank because they extended Kreider and want the cap flexibility. So the Rangers would need to sign a backup while handing over the #1 duties to Igor. Talbot is a fine enough option but there are some others too in this free agency class. Whoever comes at the right price. You dont want to buyout Hank, and then pay a decent chunk for the backup, might as well have just kept Hank for one more year

 

[haohmaru]

Henrik Lundqvist tells Swedish papers he is uncertain of his Rangers future - Forever Blueshirts: Best source for New York Rangers news, analysis and trade rumors

An article almost a year old.

 

[bleedblue94]

Hold on....

The post you are quoting was in response to someone stating we should find someone in that age range to replace Georgiev...

The scenario is we would move Georgiev for a forward, doesnt have to be Labanc. Could be another team in need of goaltending. The Rangers also buyout Hank because they extended Kreider and want the cap flexibility. So the Rangers would need to sign a backup while handing over the #1 duties to Igor. Talbot is a fine enough option but there are some others too in this free agency class. Whoever comes at the right price. You dont want to buyout Hank, and then pay a decent chunk for the backup, might as well have just kept Hank for one more year

Who's to say you don't have options materialize to move Henke and AG? We don't know and won't know. It's not likely, but what does seem likely from the rumblings is that NYR wants to move on from Henke, and we know that they have also at times shopped AG. IS has not been mentioned once as possibly being moved (and for good reason).

At the end of the day I personally believe that one way or the other this is Henke's last season with NYR and the team will ride with IS and AG for the next year or two while AG maintains restricted status and a reasonable contract (assuming his resign is reasonable with the arbitration rights). They will see how the rest of the pipeline develops and then move AG in a year or two prior to him hitting UFA if/when the proper two things happen together: someone wants him and will pay for him AND he's in a position to no longer be an affordable backup, ie he prices himself out from being retained.