Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXII: One Thing Leads to Another

[rangers1314]

Rangers should def try to get him.

Adam Gaudette Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

more forward depth for NYR would be nice

maybe Gaudette for Hajek or maybe involved in a bigger deal

that would seem like a sell low on Hajek

 

[NYR Viper]

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I doubt Vancouver does it but Id jump on Hajek for Gaudette

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

The Jackets were the team whispered with Lundqvist's name last year, but I guess that's a complete no go because of their Latvian(s?)

 

[Levitate]

One or the other. Trade was most likely according to one Guy. I am naturally a bit sceptical. He knows I am on these boards. But was still very adamant. i seriously do not know.

I think Edge suggested if the Rangers hem and haw their way into keeping Kreider then it'd be very likely they buy out Lundqvist.

I think if they trade him they'll have to retain half. Not super sure what the interest would be and I'd suspect the "return" would be a mid round pick or something which stings

e:

Maybe Edge has some insight here? Gorton is cooler than a glacier. It appears. I personally think This may be somehow established between the parties in some form of gentleman’s agreement. Hank does not think he is done himself. That is for sure.

I don't think he's exactly "done" either but it's obvious at this point that the better move for the Rangers is to hand the reigns over to Shesterkin if he's going to be their guy going forward (or Georgiev if for some reason Shesterkin isn't). Lundqvist isn't and won't be the Rangers starter anymore...that happens. But maybe another team hopes to get some magic out of him in the playoffs and it's worth a gamble. I could see him stealing a series still especially if it's behind better D than what the Rangers play.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I doubt Vancouver does it but Id jump on Hajek for Gaudette

Hajek and Fast for Gaudette

Hajek to me seems injury prone in his young career lately. what if his value gets worse? only 41 games between AHL and NHL this year, last year only 62. I doubt he plays a full season of hockey at the pro level.

 

[haohmaru]

I believe the Rangers preference is, and remains, to go with Shesterkin and Georgiev.

There is definitely tension in the Rangers-Lundqvist relationship right now. I think the Rangers are hoping they don't have to buy Lundqvist out, but I definitely do not think there is a fear about doing so.

There should be fear - a Lundqvist buyout makes next year's cap hell even worse. Nothing ideal about this but you have to think that Henrik thought that the worst case scenario would be becoming a backup and not a fixture on the bench in a three goalie "rotation" when he said he was all in for the rebuild. You also have to wonder about Georgiev's mindset at age 23/24 resigning himself to the fact that he's going to be a backup for the next 3-4 years. He can't be happy with that either. It's a mess that's not doing anyone, save Shesterkin (who deserved his shot), any favors.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

?

All year he kept writing about how the Rangers were not going to sign Panarin, not going to meet his price.

 

[Levitate]

There should be fear - a Lundqvist buyout makes next year's cap hell even worse. Nothing ideal about this but you have to think that Henrik thought that the worst case scenario would be becoming a backup and not a fixture on the bench in a three goalie "rotation" when he said he was all in for the rebuild. You also have to wonder about Georgiev's mindset at age 23/24 resigning himself to the fact that he's going to be a backup for the next 3-4 years. He can't be happy with that either. It's a mess that's not doing anyone, save Shesterkin (who deserved his shot), any favors.

I think if they went with Geo/Shesterkin it'd be more splitting games next year, riding the hot hand, but more of a platoon rather than a #1/#2 system. Then they'd be looking to drum up some interest in a trade later on. There's no way you keep both of those guys in that kind of situation, they can both be starters, so it's not going to be some platoon or backup situation going forward, but for next year it's not a bad thing if they both played 40 games

 

[NYR Viper]

Here's a theoretical for all of you.

Hanks makes $5.5m next year with an $8.5m cap hit. Let's assume the Rangers retain half:

Rangers keep $4.25m in cap hit
Rangers keep $2.75m in salary

Say they trade Hank first to a team who wants to hit the cap floor next year and add a later pick.

Rangers trade Hank to Ottawa, who retains 1/4 of his remaining cap hit

Ottawa keeps $1.0625m cap hit
Ottawa keeps $.6875m in salary

Colorado is the final destination

Colorado keeps $3.1875m in cap hit
Colorado keeps $2.0625m in salary



Say the trade is:

To NYR:
COL 3rd

to OTT:
COL 5th

to COL:
Hank

Colorado gets a goalie for next year at a more reasonable cap hit for a 3rd + 5th
Ottawa (or someone) gets 'free' draft pick for $687,500
NY gets a 3rd and moves out $4.25m in cap hit for next year

 

[TheDirtyH]

JMHO from what I've seen of Vancouver, but Gaudette sucks.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Any leverage the Rangers have in a potential trade for Lundqvist goes out the window if it becomes public knowledge they’re fine buying him out

Which I still think is the worst possible choice but what do I know

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Eh, while the points are great he plays wing. Generally, we would see a center moved for a defenseman. That's why a player like Skjei, who is probably a #3, makes a bit of sense as Nylander, while valuable, isn't a center and isn't a superstar himself.

If we had Nylander there’s no chance in hell we’d consider moving him for a 5M mediocre top-4 dmen when there would be much better, younger and more affordable candidates available.

 

[Levitate]

Here's a theoretical for all of you.

Hanks makes $5.5m next year with an $8.5m cap hit. Let's assume the Rangers retain half:

Rangers keep $4.25m in cap hit
Rangers keep $2.75m in salary

Say they trade Hank first to a team who wants to hit the cap floor next year and add a later pick.

Rangers trade Hank to Ottawa, who retains 1/4 of his remaining cap hit

Ottawa keeps $1.0625m cap hit
Ottawa keeps $.6875m in salary

Colorado is the final destination

Colorado keeps $3.1875m in cap hit
Colorado keeps $2.0625m in salary



Say the trade is:

To NYR:
COL 3rd

to OTT:
COL 5th

to COL:
Hank

Colorado gets a goalie for next year at a more reasonable cap hit for a 3rd + 5th
Ottawa (or someone) gets 'free' draft pick for $687,500
NY gets a 3rd and moves out $4.25m in cap hit for next year

Are multiple teams allowed to retain? I thought that wasn't allowed

 

[rangers1314]

Are multiple teams allowed to retain? I thought that wasn't allowed

Isn't that what happened to Brassard?

 

[NYR Viper]

Are multiple teams allowed to retain? I thought that wasn't allowed

Yes, I think it's up to (2) teams can retain half.

So the Rangers could retain half an then another team could retain half.

for example, Boston retained half on Beleskey but the Rangers could in turn trade him with half of his cap hit retained.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Maybe the Minnesota Wild? They have a lot of bad players they can ship our way to offset some of Lundqvist's salary. They're not rebuilding because all their players are 35. Victor Rask! We can watch Victor Rask play!

 

[Levitate]

Victor Rask! We can watch Victor Rask play!

Do we have to?

 

[bleedblue94]

He’s 23, signed for 4 additional years with 2 60 pt seasons in his resume. He’s about to have his 3rd, producing close to a PPG this year with 52p in 59 games.

He’s exactly the type of player you do move a young stud dman for if you need help offensively.

He may be the type based on production, but he is not the player I want to commit to. I don't like him as a player, and for a team looking at cap concerns to resign one of their stud d men (ADA) you dont trade a top player on an ELC for a 7mil a year cap hit. The idea is to move out salary for salary and honor the extreme value of players on ELCs playing at a top level, not waste that value...

 

[haohmaru]

Hank waiving to go play in Minnesota. That's a hoot.

 

[RGY]

Trade Georgiev for Labanc.

Revisit Hank situation in offseason. If they absolutely must then buy him out. And i think it only comes to that if they re-sign Kreider.

Sign Talbot or another vet to backup Igor.

 

[bleedblue94]

If we had Nylander there’s no chance in hell we’d consider moving him for a 5M mediocre top-4 dmen when there would be much better, younger and more affordable candidates available.

Hi response was to a post that suggested Fox or a comparable stud d man on an elc be traded for nylander.

I think everyone on this board would approve of a deal based around brady for nylander ...

 

[haohmaru]

Trade Georgiev for Labanc.

Revisit Hank situation in offseason. If they absolutely must then buy him out. And i think it only comes to that if they re-sign Kreider.

Sign Talbot or another vet to backup Igor.

Hank would be fine as a 25-30 game guy and a decent option if Shesty gets hurt. Don't see this team winning the Cup next year either.

 

[JimmyG89]

Hank waiving to go play in Minnesota. That's a hoot.

Those aren't hoots, those are Zuucs

But seriously, if he's going anywhere, it's for a chance to win a cup. Minny isn't doing that anytime soon.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Hank waiving to go play in Minnesota. That's a hoot.

It's the state of hockey.