Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXII: One Thing Leads to Another

[duhmetreE]

Nothing at this moment. I think resolving the Kreider situation is the top priority.

Is the sticking point the length or AAV? Or both

 

[SA16]

Just to be clear the reason Sakic is a bad GM is because he won't trade us his top prospects in exchange for someone to play 20 games + playoffs? That sounds like a good GM to me.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Let's cut to the important questions, @Edge what did you have for lunch?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Yeah but ice cream does sound good about now, doesn't it?

Hell no. It's like 30 degrees here in NYC. A lava cake sounds better!

 

[EpicDing]

What is everyone talking about? He still has Calgary in both his twitter and IG bios.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Gaudreau? Why? I saw him get rag-dolled during the playoffs and he didn't handle it well. This team needs more shooters not drop passers.

This is where people have to be careful and consistent with their assessments. Gaudreau has been a driver his whole career outside of this season. How do we ignore the playoff no shows from Kreider but use it against Gaudreau? He routinely outscores Kreider and will be making less than him next season.

I think it's too early to say something is even brewing, but I would imagine it would be something structured around Skjei, Buchnevich and a top prospect like Miller or Lundkvist for Gaudreau and Brody to balance the money, maybe a small add.

This is why I want to move Kreider. Get some more assets and cap space for a good trade this summer.

 

[rangers1314]

What is everyone talking about? He still has Calgary in both his twitter and IG bios.

It was gone from his Twitter bio before...honestly he could very well be F'ing with people....and if so I love it.

 

[NYRangers0723]

This is where people have to be careful and consistent with their assessments. Gaudreau has been a driver his whole career outside of this season. How do we ignore the playoff no shows from Kreider but use it against Gaudreau? He routinely outscores Kreider and will be making less than him next season.

I think it's too early to say something is even brewing, but I would imagine it would be something structured around Skjei, Buchnevich and a top prospect like Miller or Lundkvist for Gaudreau and Brody to balance the money, maybe a small add.

This is why I want to move Kreider. Get some more assets and cap space for a good trade this summer

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. Are you sure you aren’t talking about somebody else. Last I checked Kreider was a very good playoff player with big goals

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Gaudreau would be cool but the Flames would be silly to sell low

It would also create a potential cap issue in 2 summers I don't want to think about. Zibanejad, Gaudreau, Kakko and Fox would all need new deals

 

[Richard Banger]

These last two pages..... Jesus people

 

[DutchShamrock]

and what/how has he produced without Kreider?

same goes for Zibs.

What had Kreider done without them? You're not concerned about the classic case of a guy doing great in a contract year? I would say Kreider is much more of a product of Zibanajed than the reverse.

There was a rumor flying around early in the season that the Flames might consider moving Gaudreau, but I'm pretty sure the team publicly squashed it. That was also when the Flames were struggling.

That being said, I think if they were going to deal him it would require a good, young top-six center coming back.

I remember that talk too.

Calgary has been interested in former oilers lately as well. Strome?

 

[Thirty One]

4 potential paths for the Islanders after a historically bad...

The only way the Islanders get Kreider is to get creative, since the Rangers surely would want Noah Dobson as the prospect in a high-pick-and-prospect deal. That’s assuredly a no from Lamoriello. The Rangers are flush with young defensemen, so would the Rangers take a conditional second-rounder and Oliver Wahlstrom? Probably not, since the Rangers passed on Wahlstrom at the 2018 draft and selected a different forward, Vitali Kravtsov, at No. 9. Hard to imagine their thoughts on Wahlstrom have improved since then. Plus, if the Rangers are dead set on a first-rounder for Kreider, that feels like a non-starter for the Isles, who aren’t in position to trade away what might now end up as a lottery ticket.

That might mean Lamoriello would need to trade one of the Islanders’ precious few appealing forwards. But moving, say, Anthony Beauvillier seems counter-productive. The Islanders’ forward depth is the main issue of late, so taking away one of the few top-six forwards they have (and one of the youngest ones) hurts them down the road, especially if Kreider doesn’t sign a long-term deal with the Islanders.

 

[TheDirtyH]

If we do move on from Fast and can get even a 2nd for him, I wonder if there's any possibility to package that pick with Brendan Smith to a bad team with cap space like Ottawa, NJ, Anaheim, or LA. They'd get a good pick now, a warm body for their team, and a chance to get another asset at next year's deadline if he can reestablish some value as a 3rd pairing dman. That'd free us up over 4mil on the cap.

 

[DutchShamrock]

. Are you sure you aren’t talking about somebody else. Last I checked Kreider was a very good playoff player with big goals

I'm positive. Kreider at 37 pts in 77 games vs 12 pts in 20 games. It's identical to me. But I guess the big goals as viewed by a ranger fan is an objective metric. I'm just saying we can't say Chris performed based on his numbers and dismiss Johnny Hockey with the same rate.

 

[NYRangers0723]

I still think the pro trade crowd is gonna be disappointed with the return. Teams aren’t giving up their best prospect for a rental it aint happening.

 

[Thirty One]

I still think the pro trade crowd is gonna be disappointed with the return. Teams aren’t giving up their best prospect for a rental it aint happening.

Most of us get that.

 

[Fitzy]

Is the sticking point the length or AAV? Or both

Based on his previous posts, it seems as though

Kreider wants 7x7 for, 49 million total.
Rangers are offering 6x6.5, for 39 million total.

So it's both, really. 10 million is a functionally huge gap. Maybe NYR can give that 7th year for 6 mil per (42 million) or raise to 6x6.85 (41 million) but thats still leaving a lot of cash on the table, even before we factor in taxes.

 

[NYRangers0723]

I'm positive. Kreider at 37 pts in 77 games vs 12 pts in 20 games. It's identical to me. But I guess the big goals as viewed by a ranger fan is an objective metric. I'm just saying we can't say Chris performed based on his numbers and dismiss Johnny Hockey with the same rate.

I’m not dismissing Him. However Kreider is a good playoff player that’s just a fact. I’m not saying Johnny Hockey can’t be

 

[NYRangers0723]

Most of us get that.

I hope so. But Ive brought it up before and many say either that I’m wrong or “how do I know they wont” lol

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Based on his previous posts, it seems as though

Kreider wants 7x7 for, 49 million total.
Rangers are offering 6x6.5, for 39 million total.

So it's both, really. 10 million is a functionally huge gap. Maybe NYR can give that 7th year for 6 mil per (42 million) or raise to 6x6.85 (41 million) but thats still leaving a lot of cash on the table, even before we factor in taxes.

That's a whole lotta frogs to leave on the table.

 

[Levitate]

4 potential paths for the Islanders after a historically bad...

The only way the Islanders get Kreider is to get creative, since the Rangers surely would want Noah Dobson as the prospect in a high-pick-and-prospect deal. That’s assuredly a no from Lamoriello. The Rangers are flush with young defensemen, so would the Rangers take a conditional second-rounder and Oliver Wahlstrom? Probably not, since the Rangers passed on Wahlstrom at the 2018 draft and selected a different forward, Vitali Kravtsov, at No. 9. Hard to imagine their thoughts on Wahlstrom have improved since then. Plus, if the Rangers are dead set on a first-rounder for Kreider, that feels like a non-starter for the Isles, who aren’t in position to trade away what might now end up as a lottery ticket.

That might mean Lamoriello would need to trade one of the Islanders’ precious few appealing forwards. But moving, say, Anthony Beauvillier seems counter-productive. The Islanders’ forward depth is the main issue of late, so taking away one of the few top-six forwards they have (and one of the youngest ones) hurts them down the road, especially if Kreider doesn’t sign a long-term deal with the Islanders.

this all makes no sense.

The Islanders want to be buyers for Kreider but don't want to trade a 1st because it might be a lottery pick?
I mean these things never make sense "we want this awesome player but we dont' want to give up anything for him" well shit then you don't really want him do you

 

[Cassano]

4 potential paths for the Islanders after a historically bad...

The only way the Islanders get Kreider is to get creative, since the Rangers surely would want Noah Dobson as the prospect in a high-pick-and-prospect deal. That’s assuredly a no from Lamoriello. The Rangers are flush with young defensemen, so would the Rangers take a conditional second-rounder and Oliver Wahlstrom? Probably not, since the Rangers passed on Wahlstrom at the 2018 draft and selected a different forward, Vitali Kravtsov, at No. 9. Hard to imagine their thoughts on Wahlstrom have improved since then. Plus, if the Rangers are dead set on a first-rounder for Kreider, that feels like a non-starter for the Isles, who aren’t in position to trade away what might now end up as a lottery ticket.

That might mean Lamoriello would need to trade one of the Islanders’ precious few appealing forwards. But moving, say, Anthony Beauvillier seems counter-productive. The Islanders’ forward depth is the main issue of late, so taking away one of the few top-six forwards they have (and one of the youngest ones) hurts them down the road, especially if Kreider doesn’t sign a long-term deal with the Islanders.

Wallstrom's production is sorta concerning thus far in his career. Is he another MDC?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If the Islanders want to make a deal, why not for their prodigal son aka Ryan Strome lol

 

[Fitzy]

Wallstrom's production is sorta concerning thus far in his career. Is he another MDC?

It's very concerning, and I'd rather even have Kravtsov than Wally.

If he's a throw-in, not the main piece, my perspective changes.

 

[Raspewtin]

if the islanders want Kreider it’s Dobson or f*** off imo

never mind didn’t realize he’s RH