Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXII: One Thing Leads to Another

[nyr5186]

I can’t help but think that 3 years from now, in an ideal world, if we’re in a position to compete for a Cup, I don’t wanna be kicking ourselves wishing we still had Kreider. His skill set is so unique and irreplaceable, especially on a team that already lacks north south mentality. Of course we’d all love to see a hometown discount something in the range of 5 years 6 mil per, but his game has reached a new level this year and I believe he still has a lot of productive hockey in him. I’d be willing to go up to 6 years 7 mil, a fair deal which is still less than what he would get in the open market.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Should've been on the team all season. He's better than Haley, Smith, McKegg and Howden. Not even a question.

Yes but he shouldn’t play above the 4th line

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I can’t help but think that 3 years from now, in an ideal world, if we’re in a position to compete for a Cup, I don’t wanna be kicking ourselves wishing we still had Kreider. His skill set is so unique and irreplaceable, especially on a team that already lacks north south mentality. Of course we’d all love to see a hometown discount something in the range of 5 years 6 mil per, but his game has reached a new level this year and I believe he still has a lot of productive hockey in him. I’d be willing to go up to 6 years 7 mil, a fair deal which is still less than what he would get in the open market.

Also his chemistry with Mika. If we could sign Kreider long term I think he becomes captain.

 

[NYR Viper]

I can’t help but think that 3 years from now, in an ideal world, if we’re in a position to compete for a Cup, I don’t wanna be kicking ourselves wishing we still had Kreider. His skill set is so unique and irreplaceable, especially on a team that already lacks north south mentality. Of course we’d all love to see a hometown discount something in the range of 5 years 6 mil per, but his game has reached a new level this year and I believe he still has a lot of productive hockey in him. I’d be willing to go up to 6 years 7 mil, a fair deal which is still less than what he would get in the open market.

We could say the same thing but the opposite.

I would HATE if 2-3 years from now the team doesn't have the cap space to make a move to put them over the top because Kreider, who has reverted back to his 50 point self, is taking up $7m on the cap

 

[Leetch3]

Was Kreiders mother with the moms on the trip? I didn't see his jersey in that group.

yes rangers twitter tweeted pics and she was in one of them.

 

[NYRangers0723]

BOS stopped them fairly well.

This latest run from Kreider is his best ever. Yes. But that doesn’t mean he is this player going forward. IF he is, he will decline by the time the next 7 years are up. We prob aren’t real contenders for another 2-3.
Trade him.

Disagree. This team is damn close he’ll I still think there is a chance this year. If they can’t reach a fair compromise KEEP him

 

[Thirty One]

The Avs trade deadline plan? Find a deal for now that won't...

“If it works out, great,” Sakic said. “But there’s obviously things we’re not willing to move, but if there’s a deal that makes sense, we’ll look to do it. With the injuries, all the guys are going to be back by the end of the year and we’ve weathered the storm earlier in the year when we had a lot of injuries, and I have all the confidence in the world we’ll do it again.”

What was Sakic referring to when he said, “things we’re not willing to move”?
Does that mean top prospects such as Vancouver Giants defenseman Bowen Byram, Boston College forward Alex Newhook and Eagles defenseman Conor Timmins will not be on the move?

“That’s a pretty good guess,” Sakic said with a smile.

 

[NYR Viper]

I find it interesting that the Rangers and Flyers are clearly talking.

Gorton has definitely changed that approach. Grabner to the Devils. Working with the Flyers.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Agreed about Howden

At this point he needs sent down. He's not an NHL player. I have hope that he can rebound and turn into a nice bottom 6 guy, but right now he's not.

He's basically playing because he's coachable and the Rangers have a black hole in the bottom 6. There's not many alternatives, but having a currently overmatched Kakko on the 3rd line isn't a good thing. But to have options like Howden, McKegg, and DiGuissepe as the #10-12 forwards is a disaster at this point.

Regarding Kreider, too many people have it in their head that we'll get back a comparable player. But the team is better served escaping his (soon be be $7M cap hit) and obtaining assets that can eventually (or immediately) help the forward depth. I wouldn't go falling in love with too many prospects, because I suspect more Keane for Gauthier-type deals are coming to address this issue.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Howden is really, really bad and should not be on this team tomorrow, never mind next year.

he had a terrible game. His passing was so off.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

We could say the same thing but the opposite.

I would HATE if 2-3 years from now the team doesn't have the cap space to make a move to put them over the top because Kreider, who has reverted back to his 50 point self, is taking up $7m on the cap

In 2-3 years a 7m cap hit will probably be underpaying for a 50-55 point player.

 

[Vitto79]

So AHL bodies /contracts went to Philly for Berube

Scouting Likely was for that so Fast going elsewhere I’d think

 

[TheBloodyNine]

In 2-3 years a 7m cap hit will probably be underpaying for a 50-55 point player.

What if he's a 40 point player? 30?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I’ve changed my mind. Keep Kreider. He’s worth way more to our club than the crap Sakic or Sweeney are going to offer. And slap that C on his chest.

If we lose Kreider and only have 1 very late 1st, Heinen, whatever scrub prospect Boston wants to unload, I’ll f***ing vomit.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I’ve changed my mind. Keep Kreider. He’s worth way more to our club than the crap Sakic or Sweeney are going to offer. And slap that C on his chest.

If we lose Kreider and only have 1 very late 1st, Heinen, whatever scrub prospect Boston wants to unload, I’ll f*cking vomit.

I don't want to re-sign him but I'd rather spite re-sign him than accept a lesser deal that what we want.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I can’t help but think that 3 years from now, in an ideal world, if we’re in a position to compete for a Cup, I don’t wanna be kicking ourselves wishing we still had Kreider.

the cost to retain these players would likely be too high so we would be stuck with an aging Kreider anyway. With one Cup 80 years and a current team outside the playoffs I’d say the risk is minimal while the emotion is much higher for some.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

In 2-3 years a 7m cap hit will probably be underpaying for a 50-55 point player.

I'd rather a young 50 point player on an entry or rfa deal. The problem with this franchise and its fans is that it's become accustomed to 50-60 points being the high water mark for the last number of years. 50 point players arent that hard to find if you wanna get assets and use them correctly.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

What if he's a 40 point player? 30?

What if Panarin becomes a 40 point player? What if Dolan moves the team to Albuquerque? What if Quinn loses his hair?

We could talk about "What ifs" until we're blue in the face.

Even still, if Kreider is a 40 point player in 4 or 5 years and he's around a 7m cap hit, that's probably still fair market value. Will have to see what the cap is at, but most likely going to see a huge jump in the next couple years with the new TV deal coming.

 

[Ola]

I find it interesting that the Rangers and Flyers are clearly talking.

Gorton has definitely changed that approach. Grabner to the Devils. Working with the Flyers.

The biggest reason for why I definitely don't want to see Gorton go -- and that is not looking at it from a perspective if he is OK or not, but if he is the best man for the job period -- is because he is very gutsy while very many GMs are not.

Make a great trade with NYI/NJD/Philly and it will go in the plus column when people decide if you are getting a statue in front of the garden. But if you end up sending a future star to NYI/NJD/Philly you would never stop hearing about it.

 

[TheBPA]

What if Panarin becomes a 40 point player? What if Dolan moves the team to Albuquerque? What if Quinn loses his hair?

We could talk about "What ifs" until we're blue in the face.

Even still, if Kreider is a 40 point player in 4 or 5 years and he's around a 7m cap hit, that's probably still fair market value. Will have to see what the cap is at, but most likely going to see a huge jump in the next couple years with the new TV deal coming.

40 pts is not far off from Kreider's career average. It's wayyyyyyy lower than Panarin's career average. We can talk about "what ifs", but some are a lot more realistic than others.

In three years what are the odds that Kreider is outscoring Buchnevich? I'd say Buch will likely be both the higher scoring and less expensive player.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

What if Panarin becomes a 40 point player? What if Dolan moves the team to Albuquerque? What if Quinn loses his hair?

We could talk about "What ifs" until we're blue in the face.

Even still, if Kreider is a 40 point player in 4 or 5 years and he's around a 7m cap hit, that's probably still fair market value. Will have to see what the cap is at, but most likely going to see a huge jump in the next couple years with the new TV deal coming.

What if Dan Girardi isnt worth the money, What if Brad Richard's doesnt live up to the back half of his contract, what if Brendon Smith had one good run with us and might fall off a cliff. What ifs are things we have to ask, otherwise you end up buying players out, being stuck with their cap and forever in cap hell. I'd gamble on the return for Kreider vs him being a 50 point player in 5 years, because most years in his prime he was barely a 55 point player and only this year when his back is against the wall is he more than that.

 

[NYRangers0723]

I'd rather a young 50 point player on an entry or rfa deal. The problem with this franchise and its fans is that it's become accustomed to 50-60 points being the high water mark for the last number of years. 50 point players arent that hard to find if you wanna get assets and use them correctly.

It’s not just the points Dude. A lot of the things he does doesn’t necessarily translate to points. A good example is Strome’s goal last night where his net presence helped create it. He does that as good as anybody. He speed opens up so much space for his line mates as does his size which many times take 2-3 players to cover him along the boards which opens up space for other players. His defense has improved dramatically. Off the ice he had become a big leader too. I feel he is very under appreciated mainly because he didn’t meet the crazy expectations some people had after the 2012 playoffs

 

[NYSPORTS]

Regarding Kreider, too many people have it in their head that we'll get back a comparable player. But the team is better served escaping his (soon be be $7M cap hit) and obtaining assets that can eventually (or immediately) . . . .

agree

This team will succeed or fail based on the young players developing or not. This org has a ton of defensemen, solid goalies yet few forwards. Heck, they barely have any depth at center and are still well behind teams like the Bruins.

Takes time. Resigning Kreider means the clock is starting and you have move other assets to build faster. Can’t wait anymore for 19/20 year olds to develop and we’re back to being the same ol’Rangers.

Thankfully Gordon and this hierarchy committed to a rebuild and haven’t caved.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I'd rather a young 50 point player on an entry or rfa deal.

Well, yeah of course if you could choose of course you would choose that. How likely is that though? The B prospect or late 1st rounder we get is going to replace Kreider on their ELC?

Banking on that is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Ola]

I can’t help but think that 3 years from now, in an ideal world, if we’re in a position to compete for a Cup, I don’t wanna be kicking ourselves wishing we still had Kreider. His skill set is so unique and irreplaceable, especially on a team that already lacks north south mentality. Of course we’d all love to see a hometown discount something in the range of 5 years 6 mil per, but his game has reached a new level this year and I believe he still has a lot of productive hockey in him. I’d be willing to go up to 6 years 7 mil, a fair deal which is still less than what he would get in the open market.

I can't help but to think, he was certainly replaceable the first third of the season this year. And that start was really important for us. 4 pts his last 20 PO games, its not like those PO games didn't matter, or that Kreider had any "excuse" not coming up big for us then.

I would be hopeful if we kept him, I wouldn't bank on him breaking down when he hit 30, and so forth. But...