Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXI: Insert Title

[The Crypto Guy]

If Buch is going to the AVs, I want Newhook coming back. I'm sure some people would say that's unrealistic, but Buch is a cost controlled top 6 player who is only 24 years old.

That is never happening.

 

[NYR94]

Is Buch being traded dependent on re-signing Kreider? I heard Bob McKenzie say something like Strome, Buch or DeAngelo gets moved if the Rangers re-sign Kreider.

 

[Thirty One]

I think Strome is bring back what Zucs did. Hope I’m wrong

Like without the conditions?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

A 10 million+ gap between Gorton and Kreider, it's ova

Kreider would be a dummy to not go UFA

 

[RGY]

Numbers are on the table for Kreider, still as much as a 8 figure gap on the value of the deal.

Don't rule out Dallas as a possible landing spot for Kreider.

Don't rule out Buch as a possible target for the Avs.

8 figure gap. Could be $10 million were talking. Over the course of 7 years thats a $1.42 aav difference. Thats kinda concerning if for instance the Rangers offered a $6 million aav. That would mean Kreider’s camp is asking for over $7 million aav in this exercise. Of course the Rangers could have started with $5.7 aav, which is unlikely and that would be Kreider right around $7 aav in terms of the gap. Now if both sides were serious about a deal they could compromise and come in at $6.75-$7 range on the aav. Again these are all hypotheticals.

Am i looking at this right @Edge ?

 

[rangers1314]

A 10 million+ gap between Gorton and Kreider, it's ova

Kreider would be a dummy to not go UFA

Yeah, I read that as 6x6.5 as the offer and the demand is 7x7.

 

[mas0764]

Yup, and there will definitely be some posters that will cry once the deal goes down and none of those players arent included. You don’t get a teams top Prospect for a rental. It doesn’t happen.

Yeah, but Newhook isn't the Avs' top prospect.

 

[Edge]

8 figure gap. Could be $10 million were talking. Over the course of 7 years thats a $1.42 aav difference. Thats kinda concerning if for instance the Rangers offered a $6 million aav. That would mean Kreider’s camp is asking for over $7 million aav in this exercise. Of course the Rangers could have started with $5.7 aav, which is unlikely and that would be Kreider right around $7 aav in terms of the gap. Now if both sides were serious about a deal they could compromise and come in at $6.75-$7 range on the aav. Again these are all hypotheticals.

Am i looking at this right @Edge ?

Combination of dollars and years.

Now, I think the Rangers can close that gap somewhat, but Kreider would need to come down on both. If the Rangers go to 7 years, the average salary has to come down --- considerably.

 

[NYR Viper]

Numbers are on the table for Kreider, still as much as a 8 figure gap on the value of the deal.

Don't rule out Dallas as a possible landing spot for Kreider.

Don't rule out Buch as a possible target for the Avs.

This information is gold to me. GOLD I SAY

 

[FoxyClean]

If we kept Strome over Buch I'd be devastated.

 

[NYR94]

A 10 million+ gap between Gorton and Kreider, it's ova

Kreider would be a dummy to not go UFA

Yeah, they're probably about $1.5-million per year apart. How many players his age having a career year, with unrestricted free agency on the horizon, re-sign before the season is even over?

 

[RGY]

Combination of dollars and years.

Now, I think the Rangers can close that gap somewhat, but Kreider would need to come down on both. If the Rangers go to 7 years, the average salary has to come down --- considerably.

So are you hearing or thinking they are at 5 years in their offer which is affecting the overall dollar amount too?

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

If we kept Strome over Buch I'd be devastated.

If we keep Strome over Buch, Kreider or DeAngelo same for me.

If your choice out of those 4 players is to trade one so you can keep the other 3, I don't know how Strome isn't the one you trade.

 

[NYR Viper]

Buch would fit with the mold that Sakic seems to prefer over an upcoming UFA. I'd expect a pretty good main piece back along with their 1st though

 

[duhmetreE]

Is Buch being traded dependent on re-signing Kreider? I heard Bob McKenzie say something like Strome, Buch or DeAngelo gets moved if the Rangers re-sign Kreider.

ADA is in a separate tier

 

[GAGLine]

That is never happening.

Probably not, but IMO, that's what it would take for us to trade Buchnevich. If we are trading a young, top 6 player, we need to get a younger, future top 6 player back.

 

[duhmetreE]

Level headed people will analyze all aspects of the situation when that time comes. What they won't do is run to massively overpay a player just because he's comfortable, which is the Kreider vibe you give off with nearly every post.

Giving Kreider 7M$ is over paying now? What non-sense.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If we kept Strome over Buch I'd be devastated.

I would not be surprised in the least if this ends up happening

But I would furious as well

 

[NYR Viper]

If we keep Strome over Buch, Kreider or DeAngelo same for me.

If your choice out of those 4 players is to trade one so you can keep the other 3, I don't know how Strome isn't the one you trade.

If I was Gorton, I'd be fielding offers on (3) of the (4) and seeing who has the most value while understanding their prospective next contracts. Just because he moves Kreider and say Buch at this deadline doesn't mean Strome will be around long-term ether.

 

[GAGLine]

Giving Kreider 7M$ is over paying now? What non-sense.

We don't know that 7 mil gets it done. He could be looking for more. And if it's for 7 years, yeah, that's overpaying.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Rangers likely at 6x6, Kreider wants 7x7. $13M gap. Not surprising.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

But aside from all that, I'd like to be first on this:

Wow can't believe we got Jason Robertson for Kreider!

 

[NYSPORTS]

Oh boy. Where do I begin?


1. Sergachev was never available. Complaining about this is as ridiculous as saying we didn't get McDavid for Spooner.

2. Why does Miller's weight matter? Miller didn't really perform when it mattered most, the post-season. That's more telling than what the scale points at when he's on it.

3. McDonagh's downside was his next contract. Can you imagine 7.5m AAV for 8 years? That's what you're looking at. Not really what I'd want. And it would have meant no Panarin.

oh boy, hope I didn’t interrupt your twitter schedule lol. Com’on

1- somehow I don’t see how trading your non-rental Captain and former 1st around pick within the Conference for an ok prospect the same as trading asking Spooner for McDavid. (No, you don’t have to break down the whole trade, I’m aware)

2 - perhaps I should clarify he’s built like a truck which is different than an overweight fella wearing a jersey. His numbers are solid and the Rangers gave up on him fast. His COD at that size is nice and his production is proving his worth.

3- i never said resign him. I wanted him traded while the return, see #1

 

[duhmetreE]

We don't know that 7 mil gets it done. He could be looking for more. And if it's for 7 years, yeah, that's overpaying.

I don't think anyone wants Kreider at 7 years.

 

[Barnaby]

I wonder if Colorado could have interest in Strome. 2nd and Jost or B level? It’s the more conservative approach that Sakic seems to like...