Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXI: Insert Title

[I Eat Crow]

The other solution, of course, is to trial DeAngelo on the left side so he or Fox aren't pigeonholed into a bottom pairing role at ES.

He, Fox, and Trouba should all be getting top 4 minutes.

DeAngelo-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Staal-Smith? Lundkvist? Bueller?

 

[Good Intentions]

The idea of a "proper send-off" is nice, but rarely does it happen.

Which is fine. It's a business.

And a large part of the business is ensuring the value of that entity continues on.

“it’s a business” is a lazy cliche.

 

[Avery16]

FWIW, this three-goalie carousel still isn't a problem until the draft/offseason.

Why is it even a problem then?

 

[RiffyNYR61]

Philly is a more realistic possibility than the Islanders.

I think Uncle Larry heard that a rival called and assumed it was Lou.

I think the Fourth Period dude and Dreger both confirmed the Isles interest, though.

Thanks as always for the info, Edge. Who wants to make the post dissecting the targets from all those teams?

 

[Thirty One]

I think the Fourth Period dude and Dreger both confirmed the Isles interest, though.

Thanks as always for the info, Edge. Who wants to make the post dissecting the targets from all those teams?

Friedman too.

 

[NYSPORTS]

The idea of a "proper send-off" is nice, but rarely does it happen.

Which is fine. It's a business.

I’m not even sure what a proper sendoff is these days. A retirement tour? Parade? Shed some tears? Free car ceremony?

My gosh, the most successful franchise in sports over the last 20 years has been the Patriots and they don’t even mention Brady. Us, forget it. Moving Zuc was like a funeral for some while this Hank sentiment is bordering on disturbing. He’s a hockey player, not a family member.

 

[Trxjw]

I have no insight into anything, but if I'm piecing together the rumors flying around I get the impression that a Skjei trade goes hand-in-hand with a Buchnevich trade. I.e., swap a LD for a forward and then swap a forward for a LD they like better and who is perhaps cheaper. Combined, those moves might facilitate a Kreider extension.

Could certainly be wrong, but that's my gut feeling.

 

[NYR Viper]

I have no insight into anything, but if I'm piecing together the rumors flying around I get the impression that a Skjei trade goes hand-in-hand with a Buchnevich trade. I.e., swap a LD for a forward and then swap a forward for a LD they like better and who is perhaps cheaper. Combined, those moves might facilitate a Kreider extension.

Could certainly be wrong, but that's my gut feeling.

I have no insight into anything, but if I'm piecing together the rumors flying around I get the impression that a Skjei trade goes hand-in-hand with a Buchnevich trade. I.e., swap a LD for a forward and then swap a forward for a LD they like better and who is perhaps cheaper. Combined, those moves might facilitate a Kreider extension.

Could certainly be wrong, but that's my gut feeling.

This is very possible. I'm hopeful that those (2) deals you're speaking of would be made because they fit the long-term plan but that a Kreider decision wouldn't be lumped in with them. A long term deal for a 29 year old still isn't a good idea. Who knows

 

[Blueshirts777]

I’m not even sure what a proper sendoff is these days. A retirement tour? Parade? Shed some tears? Free car ceremony?

My gosh, the most successful franchise in sports over the last 20 years has been the Patriots and they don’t even mention Brady. Us, forget it. Moving Zuc was like a funeral for some while this Hank sentiment is bordering on disturbing. He’s a hockey player, not a family member.

It's about optics and maintaining a positive relationship for activities after retirement. I agree that you can go overboard with sendoffs but kicking him to the curb isn't the right way to do it either.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I have no insight into anything, but if I'm piecing together the rumors flying around I get the impression that a Skjei trade goes hand-in-hand with a Buchnevich trade. I.e., swap a LD for a forward and then swap a forward for a LD they like better and who is perhaps cheaper. Combined, those moves might facilitate a Kreider extension.

Could certainly be wrong, but that's my gut feeling.

I think you're dead on with Skjei.

However, I'm not so certain Buch is on the move. I think Skjei for Trochek actually has some legs and if that happens, Strome would likely be the one headed out.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think you're dead on with Skjei.

However, I'm not so certain Buch is on the move. I think Skjei for Trochek actually has some legs and if that happens, Strome would likely be the one headed out.

This is very possible. Although Strome can play wing as well. Would it be so bad to have a Panarin-Chytil-Strome line?

I get the sense that the team likes Strome's versatilty

 

[Leetch3]

This is very possible. Although Strome can play wing as well. Would it be so bad to have a Panarin-Chytil-Strome line?

I get the sense that the team likes Strome's versatilty

big question with him is how much will he want if he puts up 70 points...his versatility is great at $3.1 mil, but...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This is very possible. Although Strome can play wing as well. Would it be so bad to have a Panarin-Chytil-Strome line?

I get the sense that the team likes Strome's versatilty

They may, but money needs to move out. Skjei for Trochek is virtually a wash.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I’m not even sure what a proper sendoff is these days. A retirement tour? Parade? Shed some tears? Free car ceremony?

My gosh, the most successful franchise in sports over the last 20 years has been the Patriots and they don’t even mention Brady. Us, forget it. Moving Zuc was like a funeral for some while this Hank sentiment is bordering on disturbing. He’s a hockey player, not a family member.

Uh, what?

 

[Trxjw]

This is very possible. I'm hopeful that those (2) deals you're speaking of would be made because they fit the long-term plan but that a Kreider decision wouldn't be lumped in with them. A long term deal for a 29 year old still isn't a good idea. Who knows

I would imagine it's a combination of long-term and short-term. If you can get a top-4 who is on a comparable length, but cheaper contract that Skjei and then get a winger or center on an ELC or cheap contract, you mitigate the higher cost of Kreider for the first couple years of the deal. If the Rangers can keep any 7's out of the Kreider deal, it's probably something they feel they can handle for the duration.

 

[Leetch3]

not really a fan of the idea since I think it wouldn't be getting fair value, but for the cap relief, you could look to trade skjei for prospects and picks, then go with some combo of staal, lindgren, hajek and rykov next year (or ADA on the left) to basically clear almost all of Skjei's cap hit.

Then the following year when $22+ mil comes off the book, you can look to make a move for a LHD to replace him if needed...its likely a step back for next year but long term it could work out if it allows us to keep certain forwards

 

[NYSPORTS]

It's about optics and maintaining a positive relationship for activities after retirement. I agree that you can go overboard with sendoffs but kicking him to the curb isn't the right way to do it either.

ok, so when the Rangers had a Jersey hanging in the Garden for Graves, in this day and age, that’s not enough? We should have had a retirement tour?

Hank isn’t being kicked to the curb. The Rangers made no doubt about what they are doing. They sent a letter out!! Players knew what was coming. Everybody knew it was rebuild and youth movement. Hank spoke and said he wants to be part it. Ok, we drafted an 18 year old and he’s 37 and still being allowed to dress. That’s not the curb

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers have a guy with term in Skjei. The Rangers are listening to offers for Tony.

Guys with term: It’s clear that many GMs prefer to add a guy with a year or two left on their deal so that they can get more than a couple months out of them. The Minnesota defensemen – Jonas Brodin and Matt Dumba – remain the top targets here. LeBrun’s report about Vincent Trocheck’s availability and a possible connection to the Wild is certainly interesting, although those pure hockey trades are tough to make right now. This week’s moves haven’t changed much on the Rasmus Ristolainen front. Teams like him but nothing appears imminent. Jake Gardiner’s name has been out there but there’s nothing doing on that front right now.

The young option: Granted, these are more likely the kinds of deals that happen in the summer. Teams aren’t necessarily looking to throw a young defenseman into the mix for a playoff push. But if you’re a team with one eye on the playoffs and adding a long-term solution, the Rangers would listen on Tony DeAngelo. It would probably take an overpay to get it done right now but he’s a 24-year-old with 43 points. Maybe that’s exactly the kind of player you overpay to get.

 

[Kovalev27]

Tony dominated junior hockey playing the left side. I’m sure if it came down to it he’d do a really good job on the left and getting pucks to Trouba for his big shot.

if you told me we were trading Skjei and trying tony over there so our 4 top Dmen were on the ice more I’d be open to it.

 

[Fireonk]

ok, so when the Rangers had a Jersey hanging in the Garden for Graves, in this day and age, that’s not enough? We should have had a retirement tour?

Your lack of empathy for the situation is astounding. You don't understand why people are attached to the guy who has been our starting goalie for 15 years and one of the best Rangers of all time?

I don't think any one is suggesting the Rangers don't do whats best for the organization overall, but how can you not be even remotely upset that the end of his era is here?

 

[EpicDing]

It's about optics and maintaining a positive relationship for activities after retirement. I agree that you can go overboard with sendoffs but kicking him to the curb isn't the right way to do it either.

Hank had plenty of opportunities to ask to be traded in the past 2 years. The team even offered to move him, he said no, he wants to stick out the rebuild.

Now he's the 3rd goalie on the team. The team has done everything right by him, and gave him plenty of opportunity to go elsewhere. If he ends up being bought out/retiring, well, these things happen when you get passed up on the depth chart.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I have no insight into anything, but if I'm piecing together the rumors flying around I get the impression that a Skjei trade goes hand-in-hand with a Buchnevich trade. I.e., swap a LD for a forward and then swap a forward for a LD they like better and who is perhaps cheaper. Combined, those moves might facilitate a Kreider extension.

Could certainly be wrong, but that's my gut feeling.

that’s a lot of change.

Kreider, Buch, Brady and possibly Strome and ADA. The final 20 games would be played like preseason trying to create some chemistry.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Tony dominated junior hockey playing the left side. I’m sure if it came down to it he’d do a really good job on the left and getting pucks to Trouba for his big shot.

if you told me we were trading Skjei and trying tony over there so our 4 top Dmen were on the ice more I’d be open to it.

10000% agree. I’m generally not a fan of moving players to their off side but I’d rather try it than trade Tony.

 

[Blueshirts777]

ok, so when the Rangers had a Jersey hanging in the Garden for Graves, in this day and age, that’s not enough? We should have had a retirement tour?

Hank isn’t being kicked to the curb. The Rangers made no doubt about what they are doing. They sent a letter out!! Players knew what was coming. Everybody knew it was rebuild and youth movement. Hank spoke and said he wants to be part it. Ok, we drafted an 18 year old and he’s 37 and still being allowed to dress. That’s not the curb

Press conference announcing he will be bought out with him there to celebrate his legacy. If he comes back in a new uni, have a video package so the fans can cheer and recognize him. Then eventually raise his jersey into the rafters and have a ceremony. If you think that's too much then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Trxjw]

I think you're dead on with Skjei.

However, I'm not so certain Buch is on the move. I think Skjei for Trochek actually has some legs and if that happens, Strome would likely be the one headed out.

I'm not so sure Strome has the kind of value that someone like Buchnevich does. Buch bests Strome in age, contract, and doesn't look like a guy who is getting inflated numbers via an elite line mate. The Rangers might also be hesitant to break up the chemistry that Strome and Panarin have.

Skjei and Trocheck makes some sense on paper, but I do worry about Trocheck's pace. He seems to have slowed down a bit since his injury.