Speculation: Roster building thread XXIV:

[SA16]

What if we tried to trade Trouba before his NMC kicks in for help at LHD and forward but also acquired a RHD who can play against tough competition in the deal? That way Fox/DeAngelo won't have to see any changes to their role. Someone like an Adam Larsson who doesn't bring the offense.

 

[Thirty One]

What if we tried to trade Trouba before his NMC kicks in for help at LHD and forward but also acquired a RHD who can play against tough competition in the deal? That way Fox/DeAngelo won't have to see any changes to their role. Someone like an Adam Larsson who doesn't bring the offense.

Sounds like a solid plan that would be very difficult to carry out.

 

[Fireonk]

Can't believe we are still discussing trading Trouba. He is getting 59.5% of zone starts in the defensive zone and the only right shot defenseman on the team killing penalties. You are nuts if you don't think that has helped DeAngelo and Fox looked as good as they have.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I'm not really seeing why they would be interested in our UFA rentals. They aren't an aging team that is looking at a limited window, they have a good young core and have plenty of time to take their shot. Not sure I see them as the ones pulling the trigger on Kreider or Fast.

They’re a team that went to the conference finals, and could be ready to take the next step. Why wouldn’t they consider themselves a Cup contender?

 

[RGY]

Can't believe we are still discussing trading Trouba. He is getting 59.5% of zone starts in the defensive zone and the only right shot defenseman on the team killing penalties. You are nuts if you don't think that has helped DeAngelo and Fox looked as good as they have.

Nahhhh that context would deter the DeAngelo / Trouba hater camp. That cant possibly be having an affect on ADA/Fox’s success this year. Plssss Trouba is replaceable!

 

[Fireonk]

They’re a team that went to the conference finals, and could be ready to take the next step. Why wouldn’t they consider themselves a Cup contender?

My point is that they can be a cup contender for the next few years. All their key players are in their prime (or entering it.) They aren't like Boston that has an aging core and might only have 1 or 2 more real shots at things.

 

[Tossed Medal]

"Spamming shots on net" is not a positive.

Really ? Isn’t one of the biggest Corsi / possession indicators shots attempted . On a team that doesn’t shoot enough Trouba’d SOG and attempts to me is a huge positive . We do not score nearly enough ugly goals Imo . Too much east west passing the puck into the net . There was a great pre game analysis the other day about shooting for skates . This team needs to shoot more and hit more two things Trouba does . It’s great to have fast play making smurf d men who score but you need D men who can handle the board battles , crease and snarl and get pucks through and on net

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Haven't posted much this season, sure you've all missed me greatly! Comedy career ramping up...

Biggest change for me: DeAngelo hater turned big fan. Still been watching.

So... got booted but allowed back to the thread. Guys, I have opinion s, few answers but always mean well.

What's the deal with DeAngelo, Kreider, Strome, Georgiev? They going? Team looks to have a very good shot at the playoffs. 1 gone, 2? all 4?

 

[Ghost of jas]

My point is that they can be a cup contender for the next few years. All their key players are in their prime (or entering it.) They aren't like Boston that has an aging core and might only have 1 or 2 more real shots at things.

That’s an assumption you are making. The owner has already been on record as being willing to spend large amounts of money to win a Cup. Most owners and front offices do not operate with an HF mindset.

 

[Off Sides]

My point is that they can be a cup contender for the next few years. All their key players are in their prime (or entering it.) They aren't like Boston that has an aging core and might only have 1 or 2 more real shots at things.

I don't know if they'd consider anything they'd be sending back as part of that young core.

In a way since they are so young with many of that youth already core pieces, eventually the prospects who are pushing are going to be blocked if they are not already.

 

[Fireonk]

That’s an assumption you are making. The owner has already been on record as being willing to spend large amounts of money to win a Cup. Most owners and front offices do not operate with an HF mindset.

Haha, well yeah, that is just my take on where I think their mindset is. I obviously don't know. But, not sure how spending money applies here. They are already right up against the cap, so its not like I was saying they didnt want to spend money. Just don't think it makes sense for them to give up anything worthwhile for an expiring asset that they currently dont really have the cap space for.

 

[Fireonk]

I don't know if they'd consider anything they'd be sending back as part of that young core.

In a way since they are so young with many of that youth already core pieces, eventually the prospects who are pushing are going to be blocked if they are not already.

I would think that a team that has so many of their players locked into contracts would value players coming in on an ELC more than anyone else. But I do think they would certainly be willing to part with their first rounders.

 

[Tossed Medal]

I agree with what @Edge and others have said about Skjei being undervalued by this board, and I agree that Carolina has a lot of nice pieces that would interest me.

What I don't understand is why Carolina would want him. I would think they would be using their surplus of LHD to improve elsewhere...

I don’t undervalue Skjei . With his tools he’ll play a long time in this league . Will he leave you wanting more maybe he’s still fairly young for a defenseman, never been injured badly and on a decent contract . However with a few LHS DMEN in the system and offensive veterans that will be hard to replace in CK , ADA and IMO Strome you gotta lose cap someplace . I’m also not in the camp of STAAL being as horrible as everyone makes him out to be . I think he’s had a pretty good season and does things on the team our other young D MEN can’t do along the boards and in front of the net . His offense isn’t there of course but he’s still a physical player and one of the reasons ADA is able to play the way he does . So unless you can get rid of Smith contract and Staal SKJEI moved to save cap to resign the locker room leader and irreplaceable net front presence and scoring in CK is the lesser of 2 evils . That along with Buchnevich .

 

[kinger8998]

Say what you want about Fox but he's on pace for 47 points in his rookie season in the league

Saying he can't be as dynamic as DeAngelo is premature at this point

Really play close attention to DeAngelo. Foxcan skate, but DeAngelo has another level. The way he can spin and explode out of the spin is a talent Fox does not have.

Fox is a fantastic player at both ends of the ice having a really really good rookie season. I'm excited he's with us and can say he will most likely be an elite defenseman and produce a lot of points.

But Fox is only 2 years younger than DeAngelo. DeAngelo showed the improvement NYR wanted to see in leaps and bounds last year, but only played 60 ish games. This is his true first full season.

For every step Fox still has to improve , I would argue DeAngelo has another step or two to take as well.

I think they are different players and DeAngelo just has something more on the offensive side. They're both great and they should both be a big part of the future

 

[charliemurphy]

We should pin Edge's post about current trade talks to the top of each page.

And to piggy back on what Edge posted earlier and for shits and giggles...

Kreider to Boston for 2020 1st, Heinen and Frederic
Fast to Dallas for 2021 2nd, and Tufte or Caamano
Andersson and Keane to Calgary for Zavgorodniy
Skjei and Georgiev to Carolina for Toronto's 1st, Edmundson, Gauthier and one of Bokk, Puistola or Kuokannen

Go the rest of the season with...

Panarin-Strome-Butch
Heinen-Zib-Lemieux
Howden-Chytil-Kakko
Smith-McKegg-Gauthier

Edmundson-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Staal-TDA*

Shesterkin/Lundqvist

*TDA... big assumption but continue the experiment with TDA being moved to the left if not moved there permanently and juggle Edmundson, sit Staal and bring up Rykov the rest of the way.
Go into the draft with 3 1st rounders... trade the two higher picks to get as high as possible and select BPA. Additions of Frederic, Tufte or Caamano, Zavgorodniy and either Bokk, Puistola or Kuokannen would no doubt improve the lack of depth at wing as well as the bottom 6.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Haha, well yeah, that is just my take on where I think their mindset is. I obviously don't know. But, not sure how spending money applies here. They are already right up against the cap, so its not like I was saying they didnt want to spend money. Just don't think it makes sense for them to give up anything worthwhile for an expiring asset that they currently dont really have the cap space for.

Like I referred to, there’s a mindset that we have here, and then there’s the cold hard facts of running a business. Rebuilding is not good for business in the here and now. Winning and going far in the playoffs usually is. The new owner wants to keep building on the success of last year. A full building come playoff time helps that. It takes a lot for a franchise to deliberately proceed in a manner the Rangers have. You’re demanding a lot of trust from your fan base. Now try to do that as a new owner in a market like Carolina.

 

[aufheben]

Skjei probably does very well in Carolina. He wouldn't have the burden of being a 1D, as that is covered by Slavin. And he'd probably be playing with either Hamilton/Pesce, who are very good RD.

It's an ideal situation for him honestly

I’m kind of getting tired of watching NYR defensemen excel as soon as they leave.

 

[Tossed Medal]

Kreider will be well on the decline when the team is in it's window in 2-3 years. We don't need CK tying up our cap space for the next 6-7 years or we can kiss Zibanejad goodbye when his contract is up. At least Zibanejad will still be able to put up 55-60 points when he starts to decline. What good is Kreider when he cant even score 40 points when his speed starts to go?

How can you be so sure CK will be on decline in 2-3 years ??? He is a fanatic about fitness and nutrition. His Game has evolved to a net front presence guy . I understand that skating is his Bread and butter but Mike Gardner , Eric Cole , Patrick Marleau are all guys who’s skating never really declined . If anything I can see CK becoming a new age Gary Roberts , a guy known for his fitness , snarl and compete level . When we are ready to compete we’ll need guys like Kreider . Re sign Zib once Hanks , Staal and Smith are off the books and Shatty empty space is gone

 

[Off Sides]

I would think that a team that has so many of their players locked into contracts would value players coming in on an ELC more than anyone else. But I do think they would certainly be willing to part with their first rounders.

I don't know,

To me it kind of looks like they have most of their current forwards returning again next year where only Haula and Williams may be replaced and they might re-sign Haula.

Year after Dzingel, McGinn, Martinook are slated to be UFAs, again I do not know if they are planning to extend any/all/combo of them.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I’m kind of getting tired of watching NYR defensemen excel as soon as they leave.

I'm kind of getting tired of watching NYR defensemen being used incorrectly.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Like I referred to, there’s a mindset that we have here, and then there’s the cold hard facts of running a business. Rebuilding is not good for business in the here and now. Winning and going far in the playoffs usually is. The new owner wants to keep building on the success of last year. A full building come playoff time helps that. It takes a lot for a franchise to deliberately proceed in a manner the Rangers have. You’re demanding a lot of trust from your fan base. Now try to do that as a new owner in a market like Carolina.

Unlike Carolina, the NYRs are not dependent on fan base to make a profit.

 

[DanielBrassard]

What if we tried to trade Trouba before his NMC kicks in for help at LHD and forward but also acquired a RHD who can play against tough competition in the deal? That way Fox/DeAngelo won't have to see any changes to their role. Someone like an Adam Larsson who doesn't bring the offense.

Unironically, this would be ideal I think but as 31 pointed out, very hard to connect on each move.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

A trade that makes sense for us and Boston would be Jake Debrusk if we are trading kreider to Boston, and not sure what else would have to be in play to make it work.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Also....Trouba is the type of player you need to win.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Unlike Carolina, the NYRs are not dependent on fan base to make a profit.

Exactly, and yet, they’re eager to get beyond rebuilding.