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Speculation: Roster building thread XXIII: Heading into doldrum days and All Star break

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Leetch3 said:
not sure that I believe that...we've gotten really good goaltending and panarin is a god. and with all of that we are still 4th worst in the conference...we are a mini-slump from panarin away from being a bottom 5 team.

this team has been lots of fun to watch but I'm reminded of the 2001-02 team that was lots of fun to watch but was built on smoke and mirrors and then took a nose dive in the standings
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My point is that this is clearly not one of the worst teams in the league as they were last season. They've looked better over the last dozen or so games than they did at any point last year (where they were lucky as f***, that fortunately extended to the lottery), 9-1-1 streak included. Detroit, NJ, LA, Anaheim, OTT are clearly weaker teams. I'd toss SJ in there too but that team may have a run in them. They're in that 2nd rung of suck and trending upwards.

It's easy to forget just how awful this team looked in the middle of October. They've taken some positive steps forward since then. Last year was pretty much a sustained suck fest from start to finish. I get your point with the 01-02 team but the circumstances surrounding the 2 teams couldn't be more different.
 
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Avery16 said:
Maybe they wouldn't have to because we'd have better overall depth?
:dunno:

BTW: Pionk averages 23:17 TOI/GP this season, the most of any Jet, and is a +6. Second best +/- of all Jets skaters.

Trouba…. 23:08, -7. Worst +/- of all NYR D.

But don't mind this caveman. :m-dance:
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So, let me ask you something..

Do you consider Pionk a better overall NHL dmen than Trouba..?

I remember when Malik lead the NHL in +/-. Good times. (And I wasn’t a Malik hater like many people were)...
 
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Kupo said:
So, let me ask you something..

Do you consider Pionk a better overall NHL dmen than Trouba..?

I remember when Malik lead the NHL in +/-. Good times. (And I wasn’t a Malik hater like many people were)...
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You said Pionk would get manhandled if he had to play the minutes and the matchups that Trouba does. I only pointed out that Pionk is getting the minutes and the matchups that Trouba is with us, and seems to be doing a better job. Is he a better D? A lot of factors go into that determination, and people could reasonably disagree on an answer.

Here's what I'll say - given the age difference, the salary difference, the difference in production, and ADA and Fox's emergence, the Trouba deal looks less good for us all the time.
 
DutchShamrock said:
Fans become very frustrated when athletes don't make decisions that are convenient for fans.
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So true. Well said.
I’d add that the same goes for fans getting upset with front office moves.
Anyone who is a student of the history of sport knows there are a million things happening behind-the-scenes we fans aren’t aware of. These things are rarely cut-and-dried. We really don’t know what has been discussed. What has been planned. How people feel. Best to just let it unfold, I’d say.
 
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Avery16 said:
You said Pionk would get manhandled if he had to play the minutes and the matchups that Trouba does. I only pointed out that Pionk is getting the minutes and the matchups that Trouba is with us, and seems to be doing a better job. Is he a better D? A lot of factors go into that determination, and people could reasonably disagree on an answer.

Here's what I'll say - given the age difference, the salary difference, the difference in production, and ADA and Fox's emergence, the Trouba deal looks less good for us all the time.
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Ok. So you’d rather have Pionk.
 
Kupo said:
Ok. So you’d rather have Pionk.
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I'd rather have Pionk, Heinola and the net 5 million annual cap space, which we could've used to lock up ADA long term at significant savings than what it will cost this offseason (assuming we don't have to trade him).
 
Elliman said:
Is it really that impossible to keep ADA, Trouba and Fox?
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Not at all. I think a lot of people are expecting Lundkvist to make the move over the Atlantic at some point. It's feasible he comes over next season. Having Trouba here makes sense. Experienced RD who can eat up a lot of minutes and help the younger guys. The question though is if Lundkvist is as good as all indications are showing (he's tracking to be Ekman-Larsson or Klingberg good), where on our roster is there room to play him? Maybe he plays a season in Hartford to acclimate to NA ice but the kid could still force his way onto our roster. Maybe Fox transitions to a LD.

Skjei-Trouba
Lindgren-ADA
Fox-Lundkvist
Hajek, Staal

The season after, Miller leaves the NCAA. Again he might take some time to acclimate to the pros in Hartford. Lines up with Staal's expiring contract. But then you have some top tier prospects in Keane, Rykov, Jones, Robertson all in the system and 2nd tiers in Tarmo, Gross, Raddysh, & Skinner. Not a bad problem to have but the most important question is which ones do you keep? Which players are expendable? Which players can be flipped for impact players?

Avery16 said:
Brooks is reporting tonight that ADA is on the block, and two weeks ago that his next contract will break us. Mgmt is making a choice.
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I'm sorry but the Ranger management deserves being in this situation. The fans do not. I'm sure they could have had ADA on a 2 year $1.4M contract this summer but they played hardball with a kid who was obviously putting it all together and this is what they get. I think a lot of the "trade Trouba" talk is simply a matter of "would you prefer Trouba on the roster or ADA as we probably will only be able to be able to afford to keep one of them. Anyone who likes ADA > Trouba automatically puts themselves into the "Trade Trouba before his NMC kicks in" camp. If we trade ADA, I just hope we are selling at the highest possible value. We have to get a franchise player back in return.

The Rangers definitely have themselves in an interesting situation in the summer; potentially the TDL. And that's just the blue line!
 
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n8 said:
Not at all. I think a lot of people are expecting Lundkvist to make the move over the Atlantic at some point. It's feasible he comes over next season. Having Trouba here makes sense. Experienced RD who can eat up a lot of minutes and help the younger guys. The question though is if Lundkvist is as good as all indications are showing (he's tracking to be Ekman-Larsson or Klingberg good), where on our roster is there room to play him? Maybe he plays a season in Hartford to acclimate to NA ice but the kid could still force his way onto our roster. Maybe Fox transitions to a LD.

Skjei-Trouba
Lindgren-ADA
Fox-Lundkvist
Hajek, Staal

The season after, Miller leaves the NCAA. Again he might take some time to acclimate to the pros in Hartford. Lines up with Staal's expiring contract. But then you have some top tier prospects in Keane, Rykov, Jones, Robertson all in the system and 2nd tiers in Tarmo, Gross, Raddysh, & Skinner. Not a bad problem to have but the most important question is which ones do you keep? Which players are expendable? Which players can be flipped for impact players?



I'm sorry but the Ranger management deserves being in this situation. The fans do not. I'm sure they could have had ADA on a 2 year $1.4M contract this summer but they played hardball with a kid who was obviously putting it all together and this is what they get. I think a lot of the "trade Trouba" talk is simply a matter of "would you prefer Trouba on the roster or ADA as we probably will only be able to be able to afford to keep one of them. Anyone who likes ADA > Trouba automatically puts themselves into the "Trade Trouba before his NMC kicks in" camp. If we trade ADA, I just hope we are selling at the highest possible value. We have to get a franchise player back in return.

The Rangers definitely have themselves in an interesting situation in the summer; potentially the TDL. And that's just the blue line!
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kind of scary that this may be the biggest TDL we'll have.
 
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Killing Trouba after last night when he was fantastic is funny. In order to succeed in the playoffs you need a Trouba Type! Those who mention trading him show there lack of hockey acumen. Last year we had no one who could play 2RD never mind 1RD. Today we arguably have 1bRD and 2aRD. ADA is not going anywhere unless it is an elite wing. Maybe not even straight up for WN or Glass.
 
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Watching the CBJ goalie last night reminds me how netminders can look so good(even though he wasn't tested) on any given night. And there value can be inflated. Georgie has been very good but still a small sample size. With Igor as the future and realistically playing close to 60 games aseason, Gorts should continue to market Georgie and sell at peak perceived value.
 
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GoAwayStaal said:
The team has been playing better of late and they have a pair of gimmies coming out of the break but they're not a playoff team.

This isnt like last year where they hung around outside of the bubble because they won a ton of games that they had no business winning and other teams just refused to take the ball and run with it - Those teams are already pulling away this year.

What I don't want is for the FO to stand pat because they're "close" and being in a race will be "beneficial." Their schedule is jam packed between the break and the deadline (13 games) which will give them a chance to "get back in it." 10-3 is probably the minimum for them to be in realistic striking distance for a spot, but we'll see how the FO feels. I haven't really liked some of the comments from JD, but people say all kinds of ****.
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Not at all worried. The Pres. and GM, when speaking to the media, HAVE to talk about the importance of positive experiences for the kids and building a winning culture by striving for the playoffs, because they have to a) let the season ticket holders know they’ll be putting a solid product on the ice, b) let the players know they have their backs, and c) let other teams know they’re not in “fire sale” mode and expect solid prices otherwise they’re not dealing. (Also, the sentiments are not entirely bullshit.) But you’ll notice that even when he makes such comments, he never fails to add another about “patience” and/or the long term vision. He’s actually more transparent than most by always being sure to include that caveat.
 
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Pionk is playing with Scheifele and Wheeler every night. We all knew his stats would be inflated. He still struggles with a sustained forecheck and big forwards if you watch him play. I know it’s easier to stat watch but it doesn’t tell the whole story.

Just to put that in perspective Trouba gets the teams toughest minutes against the other teams best forwards, normally without playing with Panarin’s line.

The guy is worth every penny.
 
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Elliman said:
Is it really that impossible to keep ADA, Trouba and Fox?
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I think the Rangers would have to move Brady and Kreider while NOT giving ADA a NTC. There is enough cap room if they clear some out. However, with an abundance of defensive prospects, IMO, I think the Rangers need the flexibility to move ADA if they have too.
 
Been saying this all season, Rangers should start trying ADA and/or Fox on the left. This is a development season and now is the perfect time to try it.

If one can move to the left or allows the trade of Skjei without leaving a hole there while not rushing Miller. It also will give the Rangers an opportunity to see what they've got in Keane.
 
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Leetch3 said:
not sure that I believe that...we've gotten really good goaltending and panarin is a god. and with all of that we are still 4th worst in the conference...we are a mini-slump from panarin away from being a bottom 5 team.

this team has been lots of fun to watch but I'm reminded of the 2001-02 team that was lots of fun to watch but was built on smoke and mirrors and then took a nose dive in the standings
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Great post and I agree. A Panerin mini-skimp from being a bottom 5 team.

Flash forward one year, if the Rangers rotate the stock and promote more kids we could be in the same position next season. It’s one of the main reasons I don’t want to resign Kreider. Image the same position with now a 30 year old Kreider, a huge contract and NTC. No thanks, this roster is too volatile.
 
UAGoalieGuy said:
Been saying this all season, Rangers should start trying ADA and/or Fox on the left. This is a development season and now is the perfect time to try it.

If one can move to the left or allows the trade of Skjei without leaving a hole there while not rushing Miller. It also will give the Rangers an opportunity to see what they've got in Keane.
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And in the short term, can give you an opportunity to get Staal out of the lineup.
 
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