Speculation: Roster Building Thread XLVIII - “Into the Heartland”
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rangerfan_79
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I wouldn't be doing any favors for these cap strapped teams. The phone lines would be open for a massive over payment to help them a little but not to the point it prevented me from filling out my team.
Patience produces trades like the one yesterday. The rumor about the salary cap not going up as expected just makes the cap space a team has a bigger asset so use it wisely.
Patience produces trades like the one yesterday. The rumor about the salary cap not going up as expected just makes the cap space a team has a bigger asset so use it wisely.
also looking at toronto's cap situation, while its certainly exciting to have all of these young players come in at the same time that also means that they all need to get paid at the same time...thats exactly why you've heard JG talking about spreading guys out so they aren't all the same age...
as much as everyone wants them here ASAP this is why I don't think the rangers will be upset if it takes miller and lundkvist a couple of years to get here...or barron stays at school for 4 years or other college/european players take a bit of time. cause that pushes back their ELC and you can potentially have those guys on cheap deals when its time to pay the other guys...
I think for that exact reason you'll see us taking european or college bound kids after the first round cause we don't need everyone to be nhl ready right away..if a dorofeyev or ryder donovan type guys take 2, 3, 4 years thats ok and probably helps us down the road from a cap standpoint.
as much as everyone wants them here ASAP this is why I don't think the rangers will be upset if it takes miller and lundkvist a couple of years to get here...or barron stays at school for 4 years or other college/european players take a bit of time. cause that pushes back their ELC and you can potentially have those guys on cheap deals when its time to pay the other guys...
I think for that exact reason you'll see us taking european or college bound kids after the first round cause we don't need everyone to be nhl ready right away..if a dorofeyev or ryder donovan type guys take 2, 3, 4 years thats ok and probably helps us down the road from a cap standpoint.
Well, Gorton did say on the Trouba call that Carp should check back with him on Friday when he asked him about using a buyout. The Rangers are one of the teams who could easily make it happen, but I don't think Johnsson or Kapanen would be enough to entice them. Maybe Nylander but as more of a hockey trade than a Marleau+player for picks sort of deal.
Kreider would give them something they lack in their top six and they were rumored to be sniffing around him at the deadline. Nylander is another young player who is locked up for a while. Easier to manage that impact and if you think he's a 70-75 point player with Kakko and/or Zib, then is that more valuable than Panarin and 80-90 points but for $5M more per year?
GeorgeKaplan
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Bob on his newest podcast episode said it sounds like the cap will be set at $81.5
NYR Viper
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I’m a bit fuzzy on how a buyout works if the other team holds salary. For example, if Toronto retains $1.5m in cap and trades him to the Rangers who buy him out, that would be a $5m cap hit for the Rangers? Is that right?
you would only do it on a short term deal...if you make that type of move that means you aren't looking to spend all that cap space the next year or 2 anyway. obviously you don't consider it if you plan to spend that $$ on players
I think so, while Toronto is still on the hook for the full retention amount. But I'm not 100% sure how it works with 35+ contracts.
NYR Viper
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If Gorton felt safe enough in his position, the smart play moving forward this offseason is to begin accumulating more future picks. The team has a bunch of young players ready or very close to ready. Get some future picks to spread out the young talent coming in.
Namestnikov for a 2020 2nd
Vesey for a 2020 3rd + 2020 4th
At some point there won’t be enough roster spots for all the young talent
Namestnikov for a 2020 2nd
Vesey for a 2020 3rd + 2020 4th
At some point there won’t be enough roster spots for all the young talent
Toronto and Tampa are ripe to be helped out (taken advantage of) with their Cap situation.
Buchnevich and a LD prospect not named Miller or Hajek for Nylander and Horton
or
Shattenkirk at 50% retained and Buchnevich for Point and Callahan.
No need to chase Panarin and you have Nylander at a sub 7 mil cap hit while Point May cost more cap hit wise to get signed.
Buchnevich and a LD prospect not named Miller or Hajek for Nylander and Horton
or
Shattenkirk at 50% retained and Buchnevich for Point and Callahan.
No need to chase Panarin and you have Nylander at a sub 7 mil cap hit while Point May cost more cap hit wise to get signed.
I have no doubt he’s talking about those guys but they also can’t assume kids are ready so need some fillers
Oscar Lindberg
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I think this is coming; down to an either or...
Either
The Rangers sign Panarin (and buyout Smith plus deal away at least one veteran forward)
Or
They make 2-3 smaller signings, deals to absorb bad contracts etc.
Probably not enough wiggle room in the system to do both
Either
The Rangers sign Panarin (and buyout Smith plus deal away at least one veteran forward)
Or
They make 2-3 smaller signings, deals to absorb bad contracts etc.
Probably not enough wiggle room in the system to do both
Its not about punishing him. Its about not punishing us more than we've already punished ourselves with him.
Here's the audio from the Kyper interview where he talked about Marleau:
June 18: The latest on the Toronto Maple Leafs and Mitch Marner - Sportsnet.ca
Starts at 1h30m. He doesn't think the Leafs would trade Nylander.
Talks Rangers a little bit:
- Hosts brought up Panarin and the JD connection. Kyper doesn't think they'll be in on Panarin. They seem to be doing the rebuild for real and prefer being slow and patient. Florida will get first crack at Panarin and Bob as a package.
- Floated that there's talk of the Rangers offer-sheeting Marner.
He's a sensationalist pundit, but it's something to talk about from a guy who has some Rangers connections.
June 18: The latest on the Toronto Maple Leafs and Mitch Marner - Sportsnet.ca
Starts at 1h30m. He doesn't think the Leafs would trade Nylander.
Talks Rangers a little bit:
- Hosts brought up Panarin and the JD connection. Kyper doesn't think they'll be in on Panarin. They seem to be doing the rebuild for real and prefer being slow and patient. Florida will get first crack at Panarin and Bob as a package.
- Floated that there's talk of the Rangers offer-sheeting Marner.
He's a sensationalist pundit, but it's something to talk about from a guy who has some Rangers connections.
If you want to stop punishing the Rangers, He isn't the guy to sit.
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Just to add to more stuff/speculation, Bobfather says that there has been a ton of chatter on Kreider.
Mentioned towards the end of the latest Bobcast.
Nice. That's next on my play list for the evening.
we can sit them both. But FWIW, Staal gets the harder matchups, and I don't think its fair to compare those since Smith has been playing as F
I'll add another Or:
The Ranger sign Panarin & sign/trade for 2-3 4th liners but trade Names, Kreider, Vesey and Fast ($12M+ in space), but don't absorb any bad contracts to off-set the cap space for Breadman.
Vesey nets a high 3rd.
Kreider gets a 1st
Names gets a 3rd, but the Rangers retain $1M
Fast gets a 4th and a 2020 7th.
Rangers sign Panarin for 5 Years $55M. Breadman banking on making more bread as a UFA deal at 32.
Rangers sign Bellmare ($1.4M), Hathaway ($1.35M), & Filpulla ($2.75M).
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