Speculation: Roster Building Thread XLVIII - “Into the Heartland”

[Vitto79]

Avs have a lot of space. Kreider for their mid round 1st plus ? What is a good plus target ?

 

[Avery16]

And why put Brendan through all that **** of being scratched all the time or buried in the minors? when he can try his luck somewhere else.

Excuse me but the absolute last person I'm worried about in this situation is Brendan. He shat the bed. If he's feeling down, he can go to some weddings.

 

[Calad]

Avs have a lot of space. Kreider for their mid round 1st plus ? What is a good plus target ?

Bowers perhaps?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Apparently Marleau will only accept a trade to San Jose. Would have to go to a team that will agree to buy him out. Cost that has been attached to him in a deal is a player like Kapanen.

 

[Leetch3]

If you look at the leafs roster, they are paying marleau $6.25 mil, kadri $4.5 mil, zaitsev $4.5 mil, muzzin $4 mil...there are other spots they are 'wasting' money that could have gone to marner while still keeping JT...

but I think the biggest take away is the importance of having depth in the system and continuing to draft smartly (and not trade picks away) and develop players even after you are good. because if you want to pay your top players these HUGE contracts you better have homegrown talent on cheap deals and ELC to fill out the roster. you can make a top heavy roster work, but you don't get to spend that $$ on a few guys and also make a big signing for your bottom 6 or 3rd pair

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Apparently Marleau will only accept a trade to San Jose. Would have to go to a team that will agree to buy him out. Cost that has been attached to him in a deal is a player like Kapanen.

I'll do it.

 

[bl02]

you can joke but we should also learn from it cause in a few years we hopefully will be faced with the problem of needing to pay kratsov, kakko and our 2020 1st rounder huge $$ and needing to figure out how to fit everyone under the cap

More importantly not handing out money like they did to a washed up Marleau and barely and 6th dman in Zaitsev

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I'll do it.

+1 for me here. Rangers should be exploring this.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I'll do it.

Ask Jeff on Friday about buyouts

 

[SA16]

Unless Marleau is signing for essentially the league minimum SJ has no cap space for him. So if he only wants to play in SJ most likely he won't be playing at all.

 

[Vitto79]

+1 for me here. Rangers should be exploring this.

Would you do it for Johansson and not Kapanen ?

 

[DanielBrassard]

Or the Maple Leafs will be stuck with him.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Would you do it for Johansson and not Kapanen ?

I’d rather have Kapenen.

 

[Leetch3]

Unless Marleau is signing for essentially the league minimum SJ has no cap space for him. So if he only wants to play in SJ most likely he won't be playing at all.

and toronto can't retain cause that defeats the point of moving him...so basically would need a 3rd team that takes him for an asset and buys him out, so he can then be a UFA and sign with SJ

 

[Ghost of jas]

New world, stars coming off their ELCs want to get paid right now and not a little bit now and more later

Part of what scares me about signing Panarin.

 

[NYR Viper]

Apparently Marleau will only accept a trade to San Jose. Would have to go to a team that will agree to buy him out. Cost that has been attached to him in a deal is a player like Kapanen.

Sign me up for this. I’d buy him out for Kapanen. It’s a one year penalty

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Rangers had looks at both Hajek and Lindgren last year. They have a good idea already on both those guys as well as Fox and Rykov.

Smith has two years remaining at $4.35 mil each. From Cap Friendly a Smith buyout looks like this:

1st year --970K cap hit--burying him in the minors would be a 3.425 mil cap hit--savings from buying him out 3.379 mil. First year of a buyout works great for us.
2nd year-3.145 mil cap hit--burying him in the minors would be the slightly more 3.425 cap hit--savings from buying him out-1.204 mil--not as good as the first year but a saved million is a saved million.
3rd year of a buyout 1.145 mil cap hit--not bad at all when you consider that Lundqvist, Shattenkirk and Staal are all coming off the books that year for more than $20 mil.
4th and last year of the buyout--another 1.145 mil cap hit--Rangers with lots of young guys on ELC's and 2nd contracts--I doubt we'd even notice.

And why put Brendan through all that **** of being scratched all the time or buried in the minors? when he can try his luck somewhere else.

2 years from now the free agent market is ****--go back to Cap Friendly--check it out for yourself--the free agent market will be awful--that's why you jump on Panarin this year if you can. 2 years from now Kakko, Kravtsov and Fox are still going to be on their ELC's and probably a couple/three/four others. Two years from now most of the guys going into their second contracts aren't going to be breaking the bank. Two years from now Henrik, Staal, Shattenkirk etc. come off the books--two years from now the cap has risen another $5 to 8 mil. Two years from now we'll be mostly re-signing our own guys because smart teams don't go wild over 30 + year old 2nd and 3rd line forwards and 2nd and 3rd pairing D because that's what two years from now is almost exclusively going to be. Check out Cap Friendly--I know I've said it already--but I don't think I can say it enough--two years from now the free agent market is going to be **** and pretty much nothing but.

I dont care what Brendan has to go through he would still be being paid over 1m in every scenario. He shot the bed and couldn't hack it. He can sit in the press box and if someone wants him I'll retain 50% of his salary too. But buying him out in my mind is pointless. Hajek hasn't played a game in the NHL and lindgren has played 5. I'm all for playing young guys but you cant tell me that both are ready to start and stay there yet. If we keep buying out players it prevents us from doing what we just did. Trade for trouba and sign him long term bc we would have to much dead cap space. We are still paying Girardi for years. Just my two cents

 

[Vitto79]

Bowers perhaps?

That would be ideal. Id even offer up Vesey or Namestnikov if it sealed the deal

 

[bl02]

I dont care what Brendan has to go through he would still be being paid over 1m in every scenario. He shot the bed and couldn't hack it. He can sit in the press box and if someone wants him I'll retain 50% of his salary too. But buying him out in my mind is pointless. Hajek hasn't played a game in the NHL and lindgren has played 5. I'm all for playing young guys but you cant tell me that both are ready to start and stay there yet. If we keep buying out players it prevents us from doing what we just did. Trade for trouba and sign him long term bc we would have to much dead cap space. We are still paying Girardi for years. Just my two cents

Libor played 5 games and played really well before hurting his shoulder

 

[Leetch3]

New world, stars coming off their ELCs want to get paid right now and not a little bit now and more later

biggest thing is identifying which players deserve those monster contracts and which players still get bridged and if that means you have to deal that guy away then so be it...obviously you can get into trouble with too many top paid guys, but having too many elite players is a problem any team will take. where you really get into trouble is when you give a big extension to the lesser support players

 

[Leetch3]

timing and lucky is so important when giving guys an extension...look at colorado, when mackinnon's ELC ended he still wasn't that great had 53 points and they signed him for 7 years @ $6.3 mil. he then busted out and scored 97 & 99 points the first 2 years of the deal. and now they have him locked up for 5 more years at about 1/2 of what he'd make if he was a UFA now...

of course you can probably find plenty of examples of a similar situation where the team makes that deal and then the player never cracks 60 points and the deal isn't that good...

or from a timing standpoint...the avs let mikko rantanen's contract slide his rookie year, so his ELC expired this year instead of last, which means he has 2 monster years under his belt instead of just 1. and now its probably gonna cost them $9 mil? to sign him...you'd assume the extra year of the ELC would be good, but how much more will he get following the year he had this season compared to a year early? so many ways that timing and luck can impact your cap situation

 

[eco's bones]

I dont care what Brendan has to go through he would still be being paid over 1m in every scenario. He shot the bed and couldn't hack it. He can sit in the press box and if someone wants him I'll retain 50% of his salary too. But buying him out in my mind is pointless. Hajek hasn't played a game in the NHL and lindgren has played 5. I'm all for playing young guys but you cant tell me that both are ready to start and stay there yet. If we keep buying out players it prevents us from doing what we just did. Trade for trouba and sign him long term bc we would have to much dead cap space. We are still paying Girardi for years. Just my two cents

Still confused--so Smith shat the bed and you don't care about him--he can sit in the press box twiddling his thumbs while collecting his $4.35 mil each of the next two years (I don't know how he'll live with himself!) and that's going to be some kind of punishment for his underwhelming his contract?--meanwhile his potential replacements might not be good enough--so if they're not are you going back to playing the guy you say has been shitting the bed? (Do you expect him to stop shitting the bed?)---and meanwhile you're going to fuss and worry about whether we have enough cap space when you have a perfect opportunity to save cap space by buying him out? Have I got that right?

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Libor played 5 games and played really well before hurting his shoulder

Fair enough but still doesn't mean either are ready for the full time slot. I hope they are but I'm still not buying anyone out and limiting our cap for the future when we will actually need it and want to use it for future trades or signings. Send Smith to the minors, trade shatty, and sit Staal if that's the case. It's a good and smart thing to have plenty of cap space

 

[Trxjw]

Even if the Leafs attached Kapanen or Johnsson to Marleau, I think those guys are both looking for $4M a piece on a bridge deal. That's a lot to absorb just to buy a guy out.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Still confused--so Smith shat the bed and you don't care about him--he can sit in the press box twiddling his thumbs while collecting his $4.35 mil each of the next two years (I don't know how he'll live with himself) and that's going to be some kind of punishment for his underwhelming his contract?--meanwhile his potential replacements might not be good enough--so if they're not are you going back to playing the guy you say has been ****ting the bed? (Do you expect him to stop ****ting the bed?)---and meanwhile you're going to fuss and worry about whether we have enough cap space when you have a perfect opportunity to save cap space by buying him out?

You save cap for 2 seasons.. for what purpose? Instead you are hurting our cap when we will need and want to use it... tell me how that isnt short sighted? I'm more than ok having Smith sit and collect his money bc it doesn't hurt us at all to do so. And idc if he plays if our young guys cant step up right now. Again we are not a playoff team or a cup contender, it won't hurt us. Do you want to be Edmonton or a team like Boston that has done it right and have been cup contenders for 10 years?

Buying him out punishes us in the long run.