Speculation: Roster Building Thread XLVIII - “Into the Heartland”

[Ghost of jas]

You know the way the roster is forming Duchene makes a lot of sense

Not with a contract that’s going to be over $10 million per.

 

[NernieBichols]

If Shattenkirk can have a good season (not even necessarily a great one), I think there's a market for him this time next year.

The challenge will be that coinciding with the continued development and progress of both ADA and Fox. It's not impossible mind you, it would just be something that has to be worked out.

I can see it. It all depends on what you’ve said before. Do the rangers need the cap space as the shopping continues to take place in the next couple weeks

 

[NernieBichols]

I think that Smith is the 12th forward/7th defenseman. Plays on the 4th line and drops back on D when needed. I do not see him as a blocking anyone. Or at least I hope not.

I could see this playing out if shattenkirk is moved or bought out

 

[TheBloodyNine]

You know the way the roster is forming Duchene makes a lot of sense

Doesn't make a lick of sense for the Rangers.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

there is nothing ideal about a rebuilding team not having spots in the lineup for 2 key youngsters (howden/andersson)

Make them earn it.

Kakko, Kravstov, Howden, Andersson, and to a lesser degree Chytil & Lemeiux. None of these players deserve to have a spot just given to them. we need capable NHL players who can slot up and down the lineup for those who fall short. If all these players are able to step up, then those capable NHL players become expendable.

I would not be surprised if 1 or more of our young forwards need demotions throughout the year

 

[NernieBichols]

Here’s a question:

Based on what trouba returned, what’s the Kreider return. Same Situation, unless the team(s) he’d be willing to resign with decide to pay the premium to get him a year early

 

[NernieBichols]

Figure most of the Canadian teams are on it, maybe not Toronto or Vancouver.

So Ottawa, Montreal, Winnipeg, Calgary, Edmonton. Thats 5 for sure, maybe as many as 7.

Who are the US teams on it? Buffalo and Arizona would be 2 I'd wager on (who are also 2 teams I could see having the most interest.) Carolina perhaps as well.

I bet Kreider would go to Phoenix for a year. Plays with step, income tax free state. Don’t think he extends there though. Arizona is the only spot kessel is rumored to waive for.

 

[Leetch3]

Make them earn it.

Kakko, Kravstov, Howden, Andersson, and to a lesser degree Chytil & Lemeiux. None of these players deserve to have a spot just given to them. we need capable NHL players who can slot up and down the lineup for those who fall short. If all these players are able to step up, then those capable NHL players become expendable.

I would not be surprised if 1 or more of our young forwards need demotions throughout the year

so you are handing Kakko who isn't even drafted yet a spot on the 1st line and kravtsov who has never played before a spot on the 2nd line...but andersson and howden who were in the nhl lets yet need to 'earn' their spots so ryan strome and boo nieves can play? got it

 

[DutchShamrock]

I wonder if Minnesota missing out on Kessel is open with the 12th. Suddenly Gorton is the master of leverage and they are between a rock and a hard place. Zucker is weird situation.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I wonder if Minnesota missing out on Kessel is open with the 12th. Suddenly Gorton is the master of leverage and they are between a rock and a hard place. Zucker is weird situation.

I think it should. Minny not getting much love right now. Players with NTCs don't want to waive for there. UFAs don't wanna sign there. They have limited options in order to improve their team.

 

[brians1128]

Something around #16 for Kreider may work.

Colorado is in go for it mode and they need a 2nd line.

Would be a great place and the sooner the better, that way GMJG has time and the pieces to move up if he sees fit.

 

[brians1128]

Do what you need to do to get one of the top centers in this draft, have Zucc resign and have 2 firsts next year and I'm good to go.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

so you are handing Kakko who isn't even drafted yet a spot on the 1st line and kravtsov who has never played before a spot on the 2nd line...but andersson and howden who were in the nhl lets yet need to 'earn' their spots so ryan strome and boo nieves can play? got it

Listen guy

they are projections. I'm not handing anybody anything. This is just how I see it shaking out. That isn't going to be the lineup every game. It is going be very dynamic.

you were concerned there weren't enough spots for youngsters, I explained that I believe there needs to be real competition. Howden was one of the worst forwards in the NHL for a large portion of last season, and Andersson couldn't stick in a forward group which featured Brendan Smith. Pardon me if I think they should earn their spots.

FWIW, the other players I mentioned have to earn their spots too. I just think they have a better shot at it.

take a step back off the ledge. Breathe.

 

[Leetch3]

Listen guy

they are projections. I'm not handing anybody anything. This is just how I see it shaking out. That isn't going to be the lineup every game. It is going be very dynamic.

you were concerned there weren't enough spots for youngsters, I explained that I believe there needs to be real competition. Howden was one of the worst forwards in the NHL for a large portion of last season, and Andersson couldn't stick in a forward group which featured Brendan Smith. Pardon me if I think they should earn their spots.

FWIW, the other players I mentioned have to earn their spots too. I just think they have a better shot at it.

take a step back off the ledge. Breathe.

lol I agree with you on not handing kids spots which is why I wouldn't just blow every veteran out of town...but no way neither of those guys are in the lineup...my reply was only half serious

 

[mas0764]

Something around #16 for Kreider may work.

Colorado is in go for it mode and they need a 2nd line.

Eh, I want higher than that.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Ok this has gone unmentioned so far...

When Jeff Gorton was questioned about using buyouts he said he doesn't know yet, but to ask him again Friday when he may have a better answer.

Whats he up to?

 

[Edge]

I can see it. It all depends on what you’ve said before. Do the rangers need the cap space as the shopping continues to take place in the next couple weeks

I think the cap space will likely come elsewhere. Be it Kreider, be it Buch, Names, Strome, Vesey, etc.

Let's for argument's sake that the Rangers move Kreider and Vesey, that's about $6.5 right there.

One of Names, Strome or Fast? Another $1.8-$4.

So depending on their approach, you could have a scenario where the Rangers move upwards of $10-$11 million in salary.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

lol I agree with you on not handing kids spots which is why I wouldn't just blow every veteran out of town...but no way neither of those guys are in the lineup...my reply was only half serious

I guess I misread the tone then. My bad

 

[Leetch3]

Eh, I want higher than that.

you might need to get back in a little lower than you'd hope and then make a 2nd deal to move up from that spot

 

[GregSirico]

Ok this has gone unmentioned so far...

When Jeff Gorton was questioned about using buyouts he said he doesn't know yet, but to ask him again Friday when he may have a better answer.

Whats he up to?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

Ok this has gone unmentioned so far...

When Jeff Gorton was questioned about using buyouts he said he doesn't know yet, but to ask him again Friday when he may have a better answer.

Whats he up to?

Shattenkirk @50 to Toronto for Marleau + and then buy out Marleau?

Edit: Just realized over 35 contract buyouts don't offer cap relief so nvm.

 

[Leetch3]

Ok this has gone unmentioned so far...

When Jeff Gorton was questioned about using buyouts he said he doesn't know yet, but to ask him again Friday when he may have a better answer.

Whats he up to?

I don't think i'd read into that too much other than we aren't buying someone out today but he isn't ruling anything out between now and the end of the 2nd window

 

[Edge]

Eh, I want higher than that.

My guess is you'd get a prospect as well.

In theory, 16 puts you within range to grab a guy if he falls to 12-14. Assuming there is a willing trade partner, it'll cost you a second. But it's doable.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

sum it up

• Shattenkirk buyout or 50% retained trade (if there is a suitor)
• Smith buyout
• Kreider+ trade during or before draft to get into the top of the first round & opening cap space.
• Drafting of Kakko or Hughes and subsequent EL contract.
• Namestnikov, Vesey, Strome, Buchnevich, ADA all in play.
• Potential RFA resignings of Trouba, Buchnevich, ADA, Lemieux, Claesson.
• Potential signing of Artemi Panarin and/or other UFA's on the Rangers radar.
• Zucc re-signs with Dallas and the Rangers-owned Dallas 2020 3rd rd pick becomes 1st Rounder
• Fox, Kravstov, Shestyorkin, Rykov, Reunanen, Hajek, Elmer, Miller, Lindgren, Keane, Barron, Lundkvist, Hughes & Kakko all in training camp in Sept and possibly the Traverse City prospects tourney as well.

 

[True Blue]

50-50 by the Draft or this year?

50/50 by the draft. If he is not traded at the draft, i actually lean on the side of him coming back extended.

None of Gorton's responses when asked about CK inspire confidence that he will be re-signed. It kind of reminds me of the Hayes situation.

Honestly not getting the Hayes vibe.

I would guess there is about a 40% chance he gets traded by the draft. Are they seriously planning to pursue Panarin or really want to draft a Center?

I think that a realistic path to Panarin would start with trading Kreider and getting one of the centers that they like. May not be ready next year, but can play year after.

If you were him, would you want to go to Buffalo or Arizona? Probably not. I could maybe see him going to Edmonton for a year of skating with McDavid to boost his stats before his UFA pay day. Maybe they just want to get a decent pick/player to clear out cap space for Panarin. No one really knows Gorton is thinking.

I believe that Kreider being on NYR has nothing to do with Panarin. I just think that there is a path. But Gorton has a plan and probably several hot routes as well. And doubt he is deviating.