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Speculation: Roster Building Thread XLVIII - “Into the Heartland”

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Ideal moves going forward for me (assuming we draft Kakko)

Trade Kreider + for a pick (8-14)
Trade Vesey for whatever
Sign Panarin
Sign Donskoi


Panarin - Zib - Kakko
Kravtsov - Strome/Chytil - Buch
Names - Chytil/Strome - Donskoi
Lemieux - Boo - Fast
Howden
Andersson


Skjei - Trouba
Staal - ADA
Hajek - Shattenkirk
Fox

Hank
Georgiev

Shesty to start in Hartford

Signing Panarin and Donskoi gives our promising, yet unproven forward core some veteran talent and stability while only costing money.

Strome is not the ideal 2C but a great backup plan should Chytil or Howden not be able to fill the role.

Namestnikov I think still has value to us as a guy who can play on any line and not look out of place. With the amount of uncertainty we have in our lineup Names can slot into any spot if one or more of our youngsters start to struggle or their is an injury.

Shatty hopefully regains form a bit so we can move him with $ retained at the deadline.

Depending on how the year breaks, Names/Fast/Strome/Shatty/Georgiev are trade deadline candidates.
 
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duhmetreE said:
I think people over estimate Shattenkirk.

He's a #5-6 but he was a PP Specialist. He's no longer needed with Trouba, ADA and Fox. He serves no purpose. He was actually replaced by Brendan Smith on the PK. He was benched over Pionk on the PK. We do not need him and he brings very little to the table.

He may have value to a team that is looking for a RHD PPQB. Even more so if we eat half of his salary.

Shattenkirk having a 'resurgence' would take place on the PP. Which would be at the cost of Trouba, ADA and/or Fox on this team.
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I agree with this.

I see no reason to keep Shattenkirk (because there isn't a ton of experience beyond Trouba is not a good reason, DeAngelo essentially played top 4 minutes last year, no reason for that not to continue.) I mean don't buy him out, but they should be able to find a trade partner.

Fox didn't sign here with the intention of spending most of the year in the AHL. Unless he completely beefs it during the preseason he's going to start the year with the Rangers. Could he be sent down afterwards? Maybe, but I can't think of many better situations for him to break into the league than in a 3rd pairing/PP role.

PTO an RHD for camp if you need to to create competition/insurance if Fox does need time. Other than that, we'll be just fine.
 
FWIW I am not in a hurry to move Shattenkirk. I think he is on the block, and we should move him if the right deal comes along, but I don't think he absolutely HAS to go. I am a big fan of Fox but I hesitate to pencil him in the lineup full time right out of the gate. Nothing against him, its just that you never know how a player will transition to the NHL. Shatty could provide a nice safety net for Fox. All goes well, and we are shopping around an improved Shatty with less term at half price come February 2020.
 
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Dr Chin Richalds said:
FWIW I am not in a hurry to move Shattenkirk. I think he is on the block, and we should move him if the right deal comes along, but I don't think he absolutely HAS to go. I am a big fan of Fox but I hesitate to pencil him in the lineup full time right out of the gate. Nothing against him, its just that you never know how a player will transition to the NHL. Shatty could provide a nice safety net for Fox. All goes well, and we are shopping around an improved Shatty with less term at half price come February 2020.
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If there's any chance to move Shatty, I move him, provided we aren't taking back a worse contract. Smith can serve as the vet backup. He can and has played the right side. He can also be demoted or made the 13th forward, both of which he has done. We don't have those options with Shatty. Well, I suppose we could play Shatty at forward, but I doubt that's an option they would seriously consider.
 
GAGLine said:
If there's any chance to move Shatty, I move him, provided we aren't taking back a worse contract. Smith can serve as the vet backup. He can and has played the right side. He can also be demoted or made the 13th forward, both of which he has done. We don't have those options with Shatty. Well, I suppose we could play Shatty at forward, but I doubt that's an option they would seriously consider.
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Seems like they don't trust Smith so I don't see him being the "safe" option for anything.
 
Trxjw said:
Totally forgot Kreider had a NTC. Gotta imagine Edmonton is on it.
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Figure most of the Canadian teams are on it, maybe not Toronto or Vancouver.

So Ottawa, Montreal, Winnipeg, Calgary, Edmonton. Thats 5 for sure, maybe as many as 7.

Who are the US teams on it? Buffalo and Arizona would be 2 I'd wager on (who are also 2 teams I could see having the most interest.) Carolina perhaps as well.
 
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gravey9 said:
Man, if Dallas could just re-sign Zucc already then I would gaurantee that our 2020 first or Dallas' 2020 first will be in play in this draft. I could see Kreider + 2020 1st + whatever to get into the top 10.
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I’m checking every little bit to see what’s going on with Zucc and at this point if he signs no way am I trading that pick. You never know. Look how the islanders grabbed Dobson. I’m not trading that first rounder if we are lucky to get it.
I know their backup is decent but if bishop ever got hurt they could go from a top 8 team to missing the playoffs
 
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True Blue said:
I would guess that there will be forwards moved. There seems to be a glut. Which is pretty amazing considering in what shape the organization was in a few years ago.

I'm handicapping Kreider at 50/50. Gorton will not move him for nothing. And he will not take less than market value. There will still be intrigue to watch after they take Kakko.
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50-50 by the Draft or this year?

None of Gorton's responses when asked about CK inspire confidence that he will be re-signed. It kind of reminds me of the Hayes situation.

At best, I would say it's a 25% that they re-sign him. I think it's about 75% or higher that he gets moved by the trade deadline.

I would guess there is about a 40% chance he gets traded by the draft. Are they seriously planning to pursue Panarin or really want to draft a Center? Are their suitors that CK would approve in the range to draft a Center?

A lot depends on his limited NTC. If you were him, would you want to go to Buffalo or Arizona? Probably not. I could maybe see him going to Edmonton for a year of skating with McDavid to boost his stats before his UFA pay day. Maybe they just want to get a decent pick/player to clear out cap space for Panarin. No one really knows Gorton is thinking.
 
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bl02 said:
Man if I was Kreider I would salivate at playing with Mcdavid but wouldn’t be surprised if the Oilers are one of those teams on his no move list.
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If Edmonton would trade for him without an extension, that's what I would do if I was him. Playing with McDavid before hitting UFA status?
 
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Levitate said:
I know we all want to hurry and run Fox and DeAngelo and Trouba out there all year long but I suspect the Rangers will be a tad more cautious and not assume Fox will step in from day one, so there will be another vet in the mix to help make sure there's some stability
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I would agree, although signing an inexpensive veteran RD would seem to be the better route. That or let Hajek, Rykov, Fox and Lindgren fight over those last 2 spots that are open
 
Edge said:
I'd guess that Gorton would have some reservations about moving a pick when he doesn't where the pick will fall. Just judging by what we've seen and heard over the years.
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Agreed and to be honest I'd rather bundle both 2020 picks together at that draft, then use it unknown in 2019
 
Dr Chin Richalds said:
Ideal moves going forward for me (assuming we draft Kakko)

Trade Kreider + for a pick (8-14)
Trade Vesey for whatever
Sign Panarin
Sign Donskoi


Panarin - Zib - Kakko
Kravtsov - Strome/Chytil - Buch
Names - Chytil/Strome - Donskoi
Lemieux - Boo - Fast
Howden
Andersson


Skjei - Trouba
Staal - ADA
Hajek - Shattenkirk
Fox

Hank
Georgiev

Shesty to start in Hartford

Signing Panarin and Donskoi gives our promising, yet unproven forward core some veteran talent and stability while only costing money.

Strome is not the ideal 2C but a great backup plan should Chytil or Howden not be able to fill the role.

Namestnikov I think still has value to us as a guy who can play on any line and not look out of place. With the amount of uncertainty we have in our lineup Names can slot into any spot if one or more of our youngsters start to struggle or their is an injury.

Shatty hopefully regains form a bit so we can move him with $ retained at the deadline.

Depending on how the year breaks, Names/Fast/Strome/Shatty/Georgiev are trade deadline candidates.
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there is nothing ideal about a rebuilding team not having spots in the lineup for 2 key youngsters (howden/andersson)
 
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