Speculation: Roster Building Thread XIII

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Some of these proposals are awesome, I hope Drury has something cooking, we are pretty close from taking a big step forward in active roster + other teams will have lost important players to Seattle which sets them back. One of the more exciting offseasons in recent memory for sure (aside from Panarin summer).

 

[BBKers]

Laf - Zib - Kakko
Panarin - Good 2 C from trade in @New York RKYs proposal - Kravstov
Coleman - Gourde or Tanev - Goodrow
Kreider - Barron - Gauthier
Spares: Reaves + Rooney
Roll out 4 line destruction

Lindgren - Fox
Suter - Trouba
Miller - Lundkvist
Spare: McDermid

Shesty
Halak or Holtby

hahaha
Will never ever happen
But fun to speculate on fumes in a place about to explode

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Laf - Zib - Kakko
Panarin - Good 2 C from trade in @New York RKYs proposal - Kravstov
Coleman - Gourde or Tanev - Goodrow
Kreider - Barron - Gauthier
Spares: Reaves + Rooney
Roll out 4 line destruction

Lindgren - Fox
Suter - Trouba
Miller - Lundkvist
Spare: McDermid

Shesty
Halak or Holtby

hahaha
Will never ever happen
But fun to speculate on fumes in a place about to explode

Hmm so we are talking about chytl, buch, and a prospect for this #2 center. Oh man im nervous about who this could be

 

[Machinehead]

Chris Kreider was terrible last year and scored 20 goals in 50 games which is 33 over 82.

Guy scores 33 goals in a down year and multiple people are putting him on the 4th line.

 

[Machinehead]

Kreider's worst isn't far off from Coleman's best. In fact, he still had a higher WAR last year.

I'm definitely pro-Coleman but you guys are absolutely buggin'.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Some of these trades with Seattle are dumb as shit

 

[Machinehead]

This board when Kreider gives us close to 30 goals and good defense next year

 

[Rangers in 7]

Also stop with us acquiring Ryan reaves. Guy sucks

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

Bro just imagine Kreids on that Tampa team.

 

[Tob]

This board when Kreider gives us close to 30 goals and good defense next year

I go out of my way to not agree with you but I don't get the Kreider hate either. He's a specimen and won't fall off any cliff and is still the same winger that he's always been minus Stepan's indirect board passes. Leadership, grit, goal scoring, speed, and size for $6.5M? 30-20-50 player at that price is perfectly fine. Not sure how many 30 goal scoring bottom sixers people think there are in the league.

 

[Tob]

Also stop with us acquiring Ryan reaves. Guy sucks

Vegas had to deal Schimdt for a 3rd due to cap jam and couldn't ice 23 players for most of the year. If we can get Reeves to smooth things over with Dolan for Libor Hajek or something, that's great on its own but also to avoid having to entertain the possibility of a far worse trade or FA signing.

 

[BBKers]

Also stop with us acquiring Ryan reaves. Guy sucks

 

[Ola]

Goodrow-Gourde-Kakko sounds sexy. Deal 1 seems suplurfluous. Why not deal Chytil, Geo, and Schneider or some combo for Gourde/McDermind? Also I feel like Jones is worth more than those two.

Seattle can only retain on 3 players on any given time right? This is one of the bigger currencies they have given all their cap space.

They have some centers available, many more than Vegas had. But I am afraid that they want Gourde. In addition, it’s not going to be easy to get them to retain. So I was just thinking, which piece would simply be ‘too hard to resist’ for Seattle?

Looking at Carolina and the moves Francis did there, he is obviously a big believer in building a strong blue line and he likes bigger Ds that can move the puck. Seth Jones contract situation isn’t optimal but if we can dangle him in front of Francis, Ron should have a hard time refusing both giving up Gourde and retaining on him.

 

[Alluckks]

Gauthier in ED
Buchnevich for Robert Thomas + (Thomas is a righty shot at Center as well)
If Gourde is taken and flipped by Seattle
-- Chytil for Gourde w/ retention
Something mediocre for McNabb + Reaves

Laf Zib Kakko
Panarin Thomas Goodrow
Kreider Gourde Kravstov
Barron Rooney Blackwell
Reaves

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
McNabb Lundkvist


Could also work with looking for a more accomplished 2C

 

[DutchShamrock]

I go out of my way to not agree with you but I don't get the Kreider hate either. He's a specimen and won't fall off any cliff and is still the same winger that he's always been minus Stepan's indirect board passes. Leadership, grit, goal scoring, speed, and size for $6.5M? 30-20-50 player at that price is perfectly fine. Not sure how many 30 goal scoring bottom sixers people think there are in the league.

I see where you are coming from and agree with the sentiment. But he got top 6 times when he got those totals, along with a ton of power play time to get 14 extra man points. Lots of posts on here pumping up Chytil and now Danault for getting their points without PP and less than ideal scenarios. It cuts both ways.

 

[pld459666]

Lundkvist would be even worse to lose

No.

 

[haohmaru]

Chris Kreider was terrible last year and scored 20 goals in 50 games which is 33 over 82.

Guy scores 33 goals in a down year and multiple people are putting him on the 4th line.

The Kreider "hate, 4th line, trade him, etc..." begins and ends with him scoring 1 in 15 and then 10 in 11. He's streaky and always has been. It is what it is.

 

[pld459666]

Gauthier in ED
Buchnevich for Robert Thomas + (Thomas is a righty shot at Center as well)
If Gourde is taken and flipped by Seattle
-- Chytil for Gourde w/ retention
Something mediocre for McNabb + Reaves

Laf Zib Kakko
Panarin Thomas Goodrow
Kreider Gourde Kravstov
Barron Rooney Blackwell
Reaves

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
McNabb Lundkvist


Could also work with looking for a more accomplished 2C

A soon to be 22 year old and improving Chytil for a soon to be 30 year old Gourde would be a horrendous move for the NYR.

Absolutely disgusting deal for NYR

 

[TheBPA]

Chris Kreider was terrible last year and scored 20 goals in 50 games which is 33 over 82.

Guy scores 33 goals in a down year and multiple people are putting him on the 4th line.

And yet people keep bragging about “calling it” that kreider’s contract is an absolute albatross.

Because he’s streaky I guess? Like every forward other than the top 5 guys in the league.

 

[Synergy27]

Then move Chytil (this one would hurt) + Buch + prospect to a team for a 2nd line center.

A recent first round pick who, prior to being injured last year looked like the team’s best forward, who has improved dramatically year over year and who paced 2.53 pts/60 last season.

+

A homegrown, legitimate first line winger who also happens to be a really good lockerroom guy and fan favorite.

+

An unnamed prospect.

For a 2nd line center. Why?

 

[Synergy27]

I know people bring this up regularly but what the f*** is up with this website refreshing while I’m mid post? It happens constantly. Is this a “feature” that goes away if I become a sponsor?

 

[haohmaru]

A recent first round pick who, prior to being injured last year looked like the team’s best forward, who has improved dramatically year over year and who paced 2.53 pts/60 last season.

+

A homegrown, legitimate first line winger who also happens to be a really good lockerroom guy and fan favorite.

+

An unnamed prospect.

For a 2nd line center. Why?

Not to mention it flies in the face of "rebuilding" and harkens back to the time when Rangers were moving young assets for 30 year olds.

Buchnevich was the best two way forward on the team last year and put up nearly a point game. Not sure why anyone is in a rush to pack this guy's bags right when he finally figured it out. He'll be the guy that scores against us every game as soon as we trade him.

 

[Synergy27]

Not to mention it flies in the face of "rebuilding" and harkens back to the time when Rangers were moving young assets for 30 year olds.

Buchnevich was the best two way forward on the team last year and put up nearly a point game. Not sure why anyone is in a rush to pack this guy's bags right when he finally figured it out. He'll be the guy that scores against us every game as soon as we trade him.

I got pilloried for this opinion around here last year by the likes of TB, et. al, but this is exactly why the ice time distribution last season was so stupid.

I am very confident in Chytil’s ability based on the eye test and the metrics. But, I admit, the fact is that we still don’t “know” about him. We could have known if we tried to find out last year, but we chose a hopeless attempt to make the playoffs instead.

We kicked the can down the road essentially. And now, here we are contemplating massive roster moves based on incomplete information.

Rough take, but we’re not winning the Cup this year either. I would much, much rather find out if Chytil (and some of the other youngins) is the player I think he is prior to the roster upheaval. If we trade him, and Lundqvist, for example, for a piece that doesn’t seem needed after we get more info next year, there’s no going back.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Chris Kreider was terrible last year and scored 20 goals in 50 games which is 33 over 82.

Guy scores 33 goals in a down year and multiple people are putting him on the 4th line.

The way this has gone, if he was a UFA from TB, Vegas or someone everyone just watched on a deep playoff run everyone would be offering him his current deal this summer.

 

[SRHRangers]

Most of the Krieder hate has to do that his deal is the main reason why were going to trade a better player and more popular player in Buch.