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Speculation: Roster Building Thread VII (2019/2020)

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I submit that Krieder will trade off salary hit for term/stability.

He’ll want 6-7 years but maybe at 6 mm which over the term of the contract will feel like 4.5.

Long term contracts always a risk and he’s got some mileage but I also believe that he’s a cyborg and that Kreider at 35 will be in better condition than most at 28. Plus he’s a leader, blah, blah.

I pull a Chapman and trade him at deadline and hopefully resign him at 6x6, call it a day.
 
True Blue said:
Because Kreider brings something different and is a part of the leadership core of the locker room
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LOL...just out of curiosity ....what does he do to be a team leader besides occasionally run a goalie ? Seriously...I doubt any of us know how he is in the dressing room . Rarely does he ever come out on the ice like a raging bull and setting the tone or the pace of the play....which he IS QUITE CAPABLE of !!!! Occasionally he gets mad and takes a stupid penalty when he is upset and hardly ever does he drop the mitts and exert himself physically IMO. He is not even close to being a leader IMO . That is something our club has lacked for a very long time ....Girardi now WAS a leader even with his limited skills . It is possible though now that we have some younger talented kids that MAYBE he will play a larger part in the leadership issue....but I'm not holding my breath on that .
 
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I'd rather keep Kreider over Buch TBH. There's only so much room in the top6.

The way I see it, Kravtsov could and will be Buch's replacement. Kreider adds a different element. One takes care of their body and makes sure he's at peak condition; the other still looks like a boy. The one who doesn't train, typically falls apart the older they get. Consistency is an issue for both.

I also think Buch could bring back more in a trade, considering he's still controlled.

Panarin Zibanejad Kakko
Kreider Chytil Kravtsov

would be my projected top6 moving forward..

Bottom 6 would be filled with players like Lias, Howden, Lemieux etc. Defensive and scrappy players with some talent.

I guess it all comes down to what Kreider and his team are 'demanding'.
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Kreider is going to command a ridiculous amount of money that will really hurt this team when some of the younger players are due for raises in the next few years. I usually try not to get ahead of myself with that whole notion but, in my opinion, we've seen enough of Kreider to know the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
 
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Lindberg Cheese said:
I submit that Krieder will trade off salary hit for term/stability.

He’ll want 6-7 years but maybe at 6 mm which over the term of the contract will feel like 4.5.

Long term contracts always a risk and he’s got some mileage but I also believe that he’s a cyborg and that Kreider at 35 will be in better condition than most at 28. Plus he’s a leader, blah, blah.

I pull a Chapman and trade him at deadline and hopefully resign him at 6x6, call it a day.
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That'll "feel" like a bad contract for the Rangers.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Is that because they like Mass players or is it because a large portion of American players are from Mass anyway?
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Always a fun point. I've never looked at the numbers, but it stands to reason that if you're talking about U.S. players there's probably a 90 percent chance they're from Massachusetts, Minnesota, Michigan, or New York.
 
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LOL...just out of curiosity ....what does he do to be a team leader besides occasionally run a goalie ? Seriously...I doubt any of us know how he is in the dressing room . Rarely does he ever come out on the ice like a raging bull and setting the tone or the pace of the play....which he IS QUITE CAPABLE of !!!! Occasionally he gets mad and takes a stupid penalty when he is upset and hardly ever does he drop the mitts and exert himself physically IMO. He is not even close to being a leader IMO . That is something our club has lacked for a very long time ....Girardi now WAS a leader even with his limited skills . It is possible though now that we have some younger talented kids that MAYBE he will play a larger part in the leadership issue....but I'm not holding my breath on that .
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Lol, there's literally been two articles posted this week alone covering about all the stuff he does for the younger players, his role in the locker room and how he gets everyone to train together in Connecticut in the offseason. A dude just posted all the fancy stats supporting the positive effect he has on the ice. On this very page of the thread.
 
leetch99 said:
LOL...just out of curiosity ....what does he do to be a team leader besides occasionally run a goalie ? Seriously...I doubt any of us know how he is in the dressing room .
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What he has is leadership and for a young team, that is a lot. Of course none of us know anything, but enough has been said, alluded to by a few insiders and the fact that Howden moved in with him means something.
 
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Edge said:
Always a fun point. I've never looked at the numbers, but it stands to reason that if you're talking about U.S. players there's probably a 90 percent chance they're from Massachusetts, Minnesota, Michigan, or New York.
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While the two best US Rangers are from Pennsylvania and Connecticut/Texas.
 
Edge said:
Always a fun point. I've never looked at the numbers, but it stands to reason that if you're talking about U.S. players there's probably a 90 percent chance they're from Massachusetts, Minnesota, Michigan, or New York.
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Its closer to 50% but those are the highest ranked states....

From a recent James Myrtle article in The Athletic:

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GodlyRangers said:
Its closer to 50% but those are the highest ranked states....

From a recent James Myrtle article in The Athletic:

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Good find. Looking at this data (NHL Totals by Birth State - 2017‑2018 Stats) it's interesting to see some states I wouldn't inherently think of:

Missouri at 3.3 percent
California at 4.8 percent (based on sheer size)
Connecticut at 3.3 percent
Illinois at 6.6 percent
New Jersey at 3.3 percent

Not that I didn't know those states were producing players, but some of the percentages are higher than I would've guessed.
 
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Edge said:
Interesting. Looking at this data (NHL Totals by Birth State - 2017‑2018 Stats) it's interesting to see some states I wouldn't inherently think of:

Missouri at 3.3 percent
California at 4.8 percent (based on sheer size)
Connecticut at 3.3 percent
Illinois at 6.6 percent
New Jersey at 3.3 percent

Not that I didn't know those states were producing players, but some of the percentages are higher than I would've guessed.
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Jersey has produced a few good NHLers, but I feel like those kids bolt early in high school to go play Juniors somewhere.
 
So for top six contention we have:

Panarin
Zibanejad
Kakko

Kreider
Buchnevich

Chytil
Kravstov



Howden
Andersson



Obviously we don’t exactly know what we have with Chytil or Kravstov yet. Howden and Andersson have outside chances to develop into full-time top six talents, but probably a longer road to get there. They can both be third line guys with one shifting to the wing, so we’ll cut them from the conversation and assume that’s where they fit long term. That’s leaves 7 players already fighting for 6 spots.

If we decide Chytil is ultimately a winger, and neither Howden nor Andersson is a 2C, we would have 7 fighting for 5 spots and need to add a 2C externally. Buch could probably slot down to the third line and a Howden/Andersson/Buch line wouldn’t be a bad third at all. That still leaves us crowded in the top six unless Chytil locks down the 2C spot.

Best case scenario, for those who would want to keep Kreider would be:

Panarin/Zbad/Kakko
Kreider/Chytil/Kravstov
Howden/Andersson/Buchnevich

Realistically though, unless we want to try to package Buch for a 2C, I just find the odds of us keeping Kreider to be slim. You could even attempt to package Kreider and Buch for a young 2C and move Chytil to LW. There’s only so much room in the top six. I don’t see us committing to Kreider, even at 6M. Maybe on a 4 year deal, but I doubt he’d go that low on term and dollars.
 
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LOL...just out of curiosity ....what does he do to be a team leader besides occasionally run a goalie ? Seriously...I doubt any of us know how he is in the dressing room . Rarely does he ever come out on the ice like a raging bull and setting the tone or the pace of the play....which he IS QUITE CAPABLE of !!!! Occasionally he gets mad and takes a stupid penalty when he is upset and hardly ever does he drop the mitts and exert himself physically IMO. He is not even close to being a leader IMO . That is something our club has lacked for a very long time ....Girardi now WAS a leader even with his limited skills . It is possible though now that we have some younger talented kids that MAYBE he will play a larger part in the leadership issue....but I'm not holding my breath on that .
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Leadership Is Right In Chris Kreider's Kitchen
 
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