Speculation: Roster Building Thread VII (2019/2020)

[Edge]

Kravtsov has played LW before. If they move him to LW then putting him on the same line as Kakko makes sense. If he stays at RW then I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually winds up playing with Panarin down the road.
I don't agree about Barron playing the wing. I think he's built to play center. I've seen a couple of games at Cornell and plan to go back up in January but Barron is somewhat of a dark horse of a prospect. He dominates when he's on the ice and I think has a future on the team... whether its at 2C or at 3C, time will tell but it shouldn't shock anyone if he forces Gorton's hand in trading someone like Howden.
Its asking a lot from the kids and resigning Kreider (if you're a fan of him, lol) on the cheap but with all the current players on the roster and in the system with everything falling into place you could potentially down the road have the top 3 lines being...
Panarin-Zib-Kravtsov
Chytil-Andersson-Kakko
Krieder-Barron-Butch
To me, if all of them are clicking it presents a much deeper and dynamic team. That 3rd line would not be the typical 3rd line we're used to seeing. I'm really curious how it all pans out since many of those players can play multiple positions... Zib played on Andersson's wing in the worlds a season ago if I'm not mistaken. Its a good problem to have. I think if Chytil and Andersson take a big step this season it will clear up a lot second guessing as to who plays where... and if they can click with Kakko then all the better.

I guess when it comes to our wings, it's less of a concern for me.

Panarin is what he is, the expectations are high for Kakko, and Buch, if nothing else is already established as being in that 20 goal/40 point ballpark. Though I personally think his numbers jump this season.

So really that leaves only Kravtsov, and that wouldn't even really been a concern until next season anyway.

But the top 3 lines you just posted are kind of my point about options for the wings not really being a concern. When it comes to a potential second line LW, that lineup includes up to four candidates.

If anything, I'm more concerned about the having a different look/feel for the third and fourth lines. But if we're signing Kreider, giving him a no movement clause, and somewhere in the ballpark of $6-7 million, I'm not really interested in sliding him down to the third line. I'd rather go a different direction in that scenario.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Rangersfansince10/08

By 08 I meant 2008 when i first got into sports.

 

[Ola]

Kravtsov has played LW before. If they move him to LW then putting him on the same line as Kakko makes sense. If he stays at RW then I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually winds up playing with Panarin down the road.
I don't agree about Barron playing the wing. I think he's built to play center. I've seen a couple of games at Cornell and plan to go back up in January but Barron is somewhat of a dark horse of a prospect. He dominates when he's on the ice and I think has a future on the team... whether its at 2C or at 3C, time will tell but it shouldn't shock anyone if he forces Gorton's hand in trading someone like Howden.
Its asking a lot from the kids and resigning Kreider (if you're a fan of him, lol) on the cheap but with all the current players on the roster and in the system with everything falling into place you could potentially down the road have the top 3 lines being...
Panarin-Zib-Kravtsov
Chytil-Andersson-Kakko
Krieder-Barron-Butch
To me, if all of them are clicking it presents a much deeper and dynamic team. That 3rd line would not be the typical 3rd line we're used to seeing. I'm really curious how it all pans out since many of those players can play multiple positions... Zib played on Andersson's wing in the worlds a season ago if I'm not mistaken. Its a good problem to have. I think if Chytil and Andersson take a big step this season it will clear up a lot second guessing as to who plays where... and if they can click with Kakko then all the better.

Kravy can definitely play LW. It’s hard to break into the middle of the ice, but for someone like Kravy it shouldn’t be a big issue. Pros and cons.

 

[True Blue]

To me, the risk is on par with what we've already seen at center. If anything, I actually like our chances of having guys step up and show themselves to be first or second line wings slightly more than I like our chances of having a guy step and claim the second line center.

Personally, I'm not looking for the stars to magically align, but I am looking at needing some flexibility as we sort through all of this. I honestly think that's going to be tough with Kreider resigning.

It has nothing to do with his value, or his role. IMO, it's a logistics challenge.

Unless of course, it is Buchnevich that is moved.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Unless of course, it is Buchnevich that is moved.

I think he finally puts it together this year. Why would we move him?

 

[Edge]

Unless of course, it is Buchnevich that is moved.

Which is entirely possible and would line up with what I was hearing this summer about either Kreider or Buchnevich.

Having said that, I do find it interesting that there's been no real contact on a contract extension, whereas Buch has been placed in a position to either force the Rangers to keep him, or build up his value to get a very nice return.

I'm not "thrilled" about the possibility of moving Kreider, but with Panarin, Kakko, Buchnevich, Kravtsov and others in the fold, I can't say I would be particularly sad or angry either.

 

[Edge]

I think he finally puts it together this year. Why would we move him?

There's the possibility the Rangers could look to move him to fill a need in another area.

In that scenario, they'd probably be more inclined to negotiate with Krieder, and eventually go with Kakko and Kravtsov on the right side.

That scenario also depends on heavily on how Buch performs, and what potential returns the Rangers would be discussing. There's the scenario where he doesn't put it together and they move him, and there's the scenario where he does put it together and they try to move him with his value higher.

My guess is that he finds his niche with Panarin and Zibanejad and they keep him.

 

[rangersfansince08]

There's the possibility the Rangers could look to move him to fill a need in another area.

In that scenario, they'd probably be more inclined to negotiate with Krieder, and eventually go with Kakko and Kravtsov on the right side.

That scenario also depends on heavily on how Buch performs, and what potential returns the Rangers would be discussing. There's the scenario where he doesn't put it together and they move him, and there's the scenario where he does put it together and they try to move him with his value higher.

My guess is that he finds his niche with Panarin and Zibanejad and they keep him.

Agree. Also didn't somebody post stats indicating Kravstov produced more at LW? I like Panarin-Zibby-Buch and Kravstov-Chytil-Kakko (although I know I'll get shit for saying we should switch Kravstov and Chytil in that line).

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Agree. Also didn't somebody post stats indicating Kravstov produced more at LW? I like Panarin-Zibby-Buch and Kravstov-Chytil-Kakko (although I know I'll get **** for saying we should switch Kravstov and Chytil in that line).

Check page 13

 

[True Blue]

I think he finally puts it together this year. Why would we move him?

Because Kreider brings something different and is a part of the leadership core of the locker room

 

[True Blue]

Which is entirely possible and would line up with what I was hearing this summer about either Kreider or Buchnevich.

Having said that, I do find it interesting that there's been no real contact on a contract extension, whereas Buch has been placed in a position to either force the Rangers to keep him, or build up his value to get a very nice return.

I'm not "thrilled" about the possibility of moving Kreider, but with Panarin, Kakko, Buchnevich, Kravtsov and others in the fold, I can't say I would be particularly sad or angry either.

No, I get it and like you think that there is simply no way that they move forward wit both Buchnevich & Kreider. I believe it will only be one. It probably depends on how much is it worth to Kreider to stay here and be a part of the rebuilt Rangers and how much Buch gells with Panarin & ZBad. Though truth be told, the way those two are playing there is not much that Buch needs to do.

Then you start to get into when the right time to trade them is.....and know what? Let's not open up that can of worms right now

 

[FIRE DRURY]

His spread was even. 25 games on either wing.

Why is this Center playing so many games on the Wing...?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

By 08 I meant 2008 when i first got into sports.

What were you into prior to 08?

 

[rangersfansince08]

What were you into prior to 08?

Whatever high schoolers were into back then.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Whatever high schoolers were into back then.

Uhh, Girls and Sports?

 

[Kovalev27]

Still not seeing any good math showing that we could have Kreider here next season at a 7 mil cap hit and make it work, whilst keeping Lemieux and DeAngelo, without making Henrik or Staal mysteriously vanish without retention. The math just doesn't add up.

It does there’s actually plenty of money to work with next year. I did it before but with Namestnikov, Fast, Strome off the books plus the drop in girardis buyout (and including raise in shattenkirks) plus beleskey gone, plus a slight bump in the salary cap and paying performance bonuses this season, Kreider only gets a 2 and a half mil or so raise. There’s actually a fairly good amount of money to make that all work.

 

[Kovalev27]

The guy to move is Buch. He's just a placeholder for Kakko and then Kravtsov takes that spot on the 2nd line. I think you could get a lot for Buch. And he's kind of redundant with Kakko and Kravtsov here.

I agree he’s the guy you move. He’s Absolutely redundant when you want Kravtsov in the top 6.

Kreider brings so much more

 

[Kovalev27]

Interesting, good work.

I guess the issue for that group becomes Georgiev and rookie bonus overages. Also its hard to predict how much DeAngelo will get. No way would I deal Georgy if he has another great year.

Also one point, if we do in fact have that cap space, is if it wouldn't be better asset management to trade Kreider for a nice deadline return and then look into a 2nd line center in free agency, like Granlund.

Trading Namestnikov really allows us to pay rookie bonuses this season. We’ll be flush with cap space this year because of that trade.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Well there is that possibility, and that was something the team explored this past offseason. I think the same approach more or less holds true: the Rangers are willing to move Buch or Kreider, but not both.

Push comes to shove, I think they hold onto Buch - especially if he has chemistry with Zibanejad and Panarin. I think that choice also potentially becomes easier if Kreider underwhelms as a second line wing this season.

As for grit, I share that concern. I think there's hope that a guy like Lemieux can stir things up and play an important role, I think Andersson will contribute as well, but I definitely think they need a bit more sandpaper.

And maybe a file or two.

 

[bobbop]

Strome also has a $3.2M qualifier... If he can't elevate his play there would be no reason to keep him

In the big scheme of things $3.2MM isn't a lot of money. It's less than average and with an (anticipated) $84MM cap it's less than 4% of the cap.

 

[aufheben]

I agree he’s the guy you move. He’s Absolutely redundant when you want Kravtsov in the top 6.

Kreider brings so much more

That's why Kreider will cost more.

Personally I'm curious to see how far Panarin-Zibanejad can take Buchnevich. No interest in trading him right now.

 

[Procrastinator]

Whatever high schoolers were into back then.

08. oh boy. market melt down. start of recession. total disaster. wow. hockey has kept me sane.

 

[SA16]

I agree he’s the guy you move. He’s Absolutely redundant when you want Kravtsov in the top 6.

Kreider brings so much more

If Kravtsov is a good player then why would I not want another one of him as a redundant piece

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Kreider is so overrated here.

 

[maris]

Kreider is so overrated here.

I want to be educated on Kreider and I mean that sincerely. I can't recall him ever stick handling through traffic. So is it safe to say stick handling is not one of his better skills? His shot seems good but not elite. What is better his wrist shot or his slap shot? Don't know if its accurate. Hands? Anything special? How is he as a passer? I think he is good but not great or am I being too liberal?
What everyone loves about our Kreider is he is fast and powerful. Like a body being shot out of a cannon. That is what makes him so sexy on the ice. But I don't see any wiggle to his skating.