Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[AirGut]

I like the Garland idea, this team is desperately missing some type of speed after Vatrano left and he'd fill that void + he has snarl. Is there actually any weight to Vancouver still eyeballing Lafreniere though?

because if that's the case I'm warming up to the idea of moving Laf+ to get that 11th & Garland in a package.
Laf and the 24th for the 11th + Garland? We move Goodrow out in a seperate deal to free up some small space to squeeze him in, could work.
I get it, Lafreniere isn't a guy you give up on....but that's when you're a true rebuilding or retooling team that has the luxury of patience so I'm sorry to those that hate hearing of Laf being dealt but the Rangers do NOT have 3-4 years to wait for Alexis to find his footing and they need role-players for the next couple years otherwise it'll be another "rebuild" situation by 2027 just like the previous era. You can't move the big time players on this roster so you're going to have to move a youngin if you wish to morph this team into anything greater than what they are right now. With Othmann coming into the fold I think he's going to actually do better in year 1 than Laf did year 1 and I don't think that's a hot take either, I have a lot of confidence in that kid and his style fits exactly what we're going to need more of compared to Laf. He could be our Bertuzzi type moving forward

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Trocheck-Garland
Othmann-Chytil-Vesey
Cuylle-Brodz-Motte

and with that 11th I'd hope for a guy like Yager.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think this nails the overall approach. If Garland can be had for that cap hit, I don’t mind Engvall although there are a few guys I’d lean towards who may be cheaper.

Garland, either with salary retained or after a buyout would be a really nice addition.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Yeah let's not trade Laff for Garland even if the #11 is coming back and 50% retain. The Rangers will regret it.

Garland with $1.5MM retained for Goodrow plus something could be interesting.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

You’re putting the cap to go up to 84.5M, which isn’t guaranteed. Would def help. You have no spare forward and a questionable 4th line. Also you’re expecting to move Goodrow’s full salary and somehow get Vancouver to retain on garland. It’s not realistic.

From a roster standpoint, Is Replacing Goodrow with Engvall even an upgrade? Lateral, at best, IMO

Sure, this is “possible” I guess, but not very likely. I’m not really sure the point of making the moves, either. These are fringe roster moves.

 

[duhmetreE]

I think this nails the overall approach. If Garland can be had for that cap hit, I don’t mind Engvall although there are a few guys I’d lean towards who may be cheaper.

Garland, either with salary retained or after a buyout would be a really nice addition.

We could also go the budget route and sign Conor Sheary.

Maybe re-sign Fast for depth.

I really just want to sign some high-effort, puck retrievers.

You’re putting the cap to go up to 84.5M, which isn’t guaranteed. Would def help. You have no spare forward and a questionable 4th line. Also you’re expecting to move Goodrow’s full salary and somehow get Vancouver to retain on garland. It’s not realistic.

From a roster standpoint, Is Replacing Goodrow with Engvall even an upgrade? Lateral, at best, IMO

Sure, this is “possible” I guess, but not very likely. I’m not really sure the point of making the moves, either. These are fringe roster moves.

you could buy out Goodrow if people do not want him. I think teams will want himm. Engvall is an actual useful middle6 winger. He's WAY MORE valuable than Goodrow.

Vancouver is in a position where they might buyout Garland. Why not get something in return and have the same cap hit?

The point of making moves is you get more speed and forecheckers that can get the puck. I thought that was obvious.

 

[bernmeister]

Preach. It’s what we are as the worst original 6 franchise. The Costanza of hockey teams.

Start ordering chicken salad & tea & NOT being intimidated by women.

aka - fail

kudos for the summer of George reference

 

[GAGLine]

What is the fascination with Garland? Why add him over putting Laf in the top 6?

Garland had 7 more points than Laf last year. He had 8 more points than Laf on the PP. Time to learn to play RW.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

Early softie from Bobrovsky.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Yeah let's not trade Laff for Garland even if the #11 is coming back and 50% retain. The Rangers will regret it.

Garland with $1.5MM retained for Goodrow plus something could be interesting.

Lol Vancouver isn't retaining on Garland just to take Goodrow who is drastically overpaid.

 

[duhmetreE]

Random players of interest and a $4M vet

Goodrow is absolutely useless...

 

[DanielBrassard]

What is the fascination with Garland? Why add him over putting Laf in the top 6?

Garland had 7 more points than Laf last year. He had 8 more points than Laf on the PP. Time to learn to play RW.

He's scored over 2P/60 the prior 3 years, is a really good play driver, and can skate and forecheck which is something the Rangers desperately need.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'd gladly give up our 1st this season and one of our top prospects for a Lefthanded Montour.

Or pray Gulyayev falls to us.

 

[duhmetreE]

What is the fascination with Garland? Why add him over putting Laf in the top 6?

Garland had 7 more points than Laf last year. He had 8 more points than Laf on the PP. Time to learn to play RW.

Because he can get the puck, adds energy and would pair nicely with our $11.6M winger.

I know. I'd love for Laffy to come in looking like a unit and taking the bull by the horns, shed his baby fat and be the #1OA we all had hoped for. I'd like for him to play with Panarin.... but maybe it's not trusting the coaching staff to do it and stick with it.

He's not a bad player to have. You need 3 good lines. That's a requirement to go far.

I'm also content with just signing players like Engvall, Fast or Hathaway to fill out the bottom6

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I just

you could buy out Goodrow if people do not want him. I think teams will want himm. Engvall is an actual useful middle6 winger. He's WAY MORE valuable than Goodrow.

Vancouver is in a position where they might buyout Garland. Why not get something in return and have the same cap hit?

The point of making moves is you get more speed and forecheckers that can get the puck. I thought that was obvious.

The Rangers are going to sign Laf and Miller. No one else can or will be traded other than fringe type players like Goodrow. If you’re moving out Goodrow only to spend another $3M on a bottom 6 player, pass. Engvall is overrated. He had 17 goals last year. 35 point career high. I don’t see the fascination or the $3M value. Bc he can forecheck? We have guys coming up who can fill that role for 900K. If you’re moving Goodrow it’s bc you need cap to re-sign everyone, like Lindgren and Schneider, Kakko, etc. replacing Goodrow’s $3.6M with Engvall’s $3M creates the same problem.

And Garland is overrated. I don’t see Van retaining on him. We are going to struggle to field a roster this year as is, bringing in Garland even at a reduced hit. He has 3 years left on that deal. They are going to have to ride this out to until they can move some bigger contracts, or move kids. I just don’t see the point in bringing in Garland and Engvall, dime a dozen players for a combined $7M, only to have to squeeze out Lindgren or whatever to sign Kakko next year.

I’ve ran a dozen permutations on cap friendly. Your Laf and Miller #s are fair. After that, with an 84.5M, we have 6.5M to spend. If they move Goodrow to create more, signing/trading for guys who are lateral moves and make the same money defeats the purpose. If you want to get faster and better on the forecheck, it needs to be with rookies or bargain bin deals to preserve cap flexibility moving forward

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Robertson is absolutely ready for a call-up. He's 22 and has played 2 full AHL seasons.

Robertson is not ready to play in the NHL at a competitive level.
Still needs to fill out his frame and his game needs more AHL development time.
I know that’s not what anybody wants to hear but Jones and Hajek are ahead of him as of this post and Scanlin is on par with Robertson as far as NHL ready.

 

[duhmetreE]

I just

The Rangers are going to sign Laf and Miller. No one else can or will be traded other than fringe type players like Goodrow. If you’re moving out Goodrow only to spend another $3M on a bottom 6 player, pass. Engvall is overrated. He had 17 goals last year. 35 point career high. I don’t see the fascination or the $3M value. Bc he can forecheck? We have guys coming up who can fill that role for 900K. If you’re moving Goodrow it’s bc you need cap to re-sign everyone, like Lindgren and Schneider, Kakko, etc. replacing Goodrow’s $3.6M with Engvall’s $3M creates the same problem.

And Garland is overrated. I don’t see Van retaining on him. We are going to struggle to field a roster this year as is, bringing in Garland even at a reduced hit. He has 3 years left on that deal. They are going to have to ride this out to until they can move some bigger contracts, or move kids. I just don’t see the point in bringing in Garland and Engvall, dime a dozen players for a combined $7M, only to have to squeeze out Lindgren or whatever to sign Kakko next year.

I’ve ran a dozen permutations on cap friendly. Your Laf and Miller #s are fair. After that, with an 84.5M, we have 6.5M to spend. If they move Goodrow to create more, signing/trading for guys who are lateral moves and make the same money defeats the purpose. If you want to get faster and better on the forecheck, it needs to be with rookies or bargain bin deals to preserve cap flexibility moving forward

It's not a lateral move.

Cap will always be a problem for competing teams. It's going to be in the mid-high 90's in a couple years. The issue is commitinng massive contracts to under performers or players like Goodrow

 

[tomobson]

I don't see why we need to make a move for Garland to start out the season with him on the roster. Save the cap space till the TDL and then maybe trade for him. Who knows, maybe this new coach forces one of the LWs to RW and makes it work or throws Chytil up there. There's not really much wrong with the roster for regular season purposes. They shouldn't have a problem securing a playoff spot and if they do have trouble then they're going to need a lot more than Garland to fix the team.

 

[McRanger92]

Robertson is not ready to play in the NHL at a competitive level.
Still needs to fill out his frame and his game needs more AHL development time.
I know that’s not what anybody wants to hear but Jones and Hajek are ahead of him as of this post and Scanlin is on par with Robertson as far as NHL ready.

We’ll see in September. Everyone said Schneider didn’t look ready in Hartford and he hasn’t missed a game for performance or injury since his call up last year. Staple quoted scouts in a recent article saying Robertson was very close. That’s how I judge it because I don’t watch the Wolf pack. I think jones is more than ready as well.

Anyone expecting “this roster” to do anything other than simp out when the going gets tough is gonna be disappointed.

They need to tear this down from the top & start COMPLETELY over again. That’s the only way anything will change

No one is forcing you to watch them

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Yeah force bread to RW. The only move we really have.

 

[RangerBoy]

What is the fascination with Garland? Why add him over putting Laf in the top 6?

Garland had 7 more points than Laf last year. He had 8 more points than Laf on the PP. Time to learn to play RW.

Time for Lafreniere to play RW. Once these players get into the offensive zone, they don't stay on one side of the ice. This isn't floor hockey in grammar school the gym teacher doesn’t allow the kids to move around from their positions.

Staple Kakko to Zibanejad and Kreider. Mike and Chris brought out the best in Buchnevich. Their next project is Kaapo. Gallant had Kakko with them earlier last season(22-23) but he can't help himself by changing the lines every game.

Move Lafreniere to RW on a line with Panarin. Chytil is their center. Panarin had great success with Anisimov and Kane in Chicago. Give Chytil an opportunity to play with a better offensive player in Panarin who has his faults in the playoffs. Panarin is still a top 5-10 LW in the NHL. The Rangers need his production to make the playoffs. Hintz's career took off in Dallas with Robertson. Panarin will create opportunities for Lafreniere and Chytil. Panarin is still an elite playmaker. They need to finish them.

I would be happy with Kakko and Lafreniere becoming 30/40 players. 30 goals and 40 assists. Kakko had 18 goals last season. No PP games. 40 assists. Give him more opportunities in the top six and PP time. Lafreniere has flirted with the 20 goal mark throughput his career. Even in the 56 game Covid season. He had 12 goals which prorated to nearly 18 goals that season. It was 17.5 goals prorated over 82 games. Lafreniere is among the team leaders in goals at even strength the last 3 seasons. I think he is 3rd.

Trocheck plays with Othmann creating a hard edge and straight line "line".

This board has always had a weird fascination with smaller little wingers like Garland and Zuccarello. No thanks.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Time for Lafreniere to play RW. Once these players get into the offensive zone, they don't stay on one side of the ice. This isn't floor hockey in grammar school the gym teacher doesn’t allow the kids to move around from their positions.

Staple Kakko to Zibanejad and Kreider. Mike and Chris brought out the best in Buchnevich. Their next project is Kaapo. Gallant had Kakko with them earlier last season(22-23) but he can't help himself by changing the lines every game.

Move Lafreniere to RW on a line with Panarin. Chytil is their center. Panarin had great success with Anisimov and Kane in Chicago. Give Chytil an opportunity to play with a better offensive player in Panarin who has his faults in the playoffs. Panarin is still a top 5-10 LW in the NHL. The Rangers need his production to make the playoffs. Hintz's career took off in Dallas with Robertson. Panarin will create opportunities for Lafreniere and Chytil. Panarin is still an elite playmaker. They need to finish them.

I would be happy with Kakko and Lafreniere becoming 30/40 players. 30 goals and 40 assists. Kakko had 18 goals last season. No PP games. 40 assists. Give him more opportunities in the top six and PP time. Lafreniere has flirted with the 20 goal mark throughput his career. Even in the 56 game Covid season. He had 12 goals which prorated to nearly 18 goals that season. It was 17.5 goals prorated over 82 games. Lafreniere is among the team leaders in goals at even strength the last 3 seasons. I think he is 3rd.

Trocheck plays with Othmann creating a hard edge and straight line "line".

This board has always had a weird fascination with smaller little wingers like Garland and Zuccarello. No thanks.

Agree with this. Although I do like the suggestion of moving Panarin to RW. He comes down the ice from a different angle, it almost forces him to take the puck around or to the net.

Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Kakko
Kreider - Chytil - Panarin

Either way, that should be the Rangers top 6 next season.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Time for Lafreniere to play RW. Once these players get into the offensive zone, they don't stay on one side of the ice. This isn't floor hockey in grammar school the gym teacher doesn’t allow the kids to move around from their positions.

Staple Kakko to Zibanejad and Kreider. Mike and Chris brought out the best in Buchnevich. Their next project is Kaapo. Gallant had Kakko with them earlier last season(22-23) but he can't help himself by changing the lines every game.

Move Lafreniere to RW on a line with Panarin. Chytil is their center. Panarin had great success with Anisimov and Kane in Chicago. Give Chytil an opportunity to play with a better offensive player in Panarin who has his faults in the playoffs. Panarin is still a top 5-10 LW in the NHL. The Rangers need his production to make the playoffs. Hintz's career took off in Dallas with Robertson. Panarin will create opportunities for Lafreniere and Chytil. Panarin is still an elite playmaker. They need to finish them.

I would be happy with Kakko and Lafreniere becoming 30/40 players. 30 goals and 40 assists. Kakko had 18 goals last season. No PP games. 40 assists. Give him more opportunities in the top six and PP time. Lafreniere has flirted with the 20 goal mark throughput his career. Even in the 56 game Covid season. He had 12 goals which prorated to nearly 18 goals that season. It was 17.5 goals prorated over 82 games. Lafreniere is among the team leaders in goals at even strength the last 3 seasons. I think he is 3rd.

Trocheck plays with Othmann creating a hard edge and straight line "line".

This board has always had a weird fascination with smaller little wingers like Garland and Zuccarello. No thanks.

Agreed with everything but rushing Othmann to the NHL.

 

[haohmaru]

Othmann isn't ready

 

[Daves a mess]

Othmann isn't ready

That will work itself out in September.
Not May.

 

[haohmaru]

That will work itself out in September.
Not May.

In the AHL hopefully. He’s not ready for 3rd line NHL duty yet.