Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[bleedblue94]

Semantics. Finishing is putting the puck in the back of the net regardless of how it gets there. Chytil was 4th on the team in goals and 8th in average ice time among forwards, without a bloated shooting percentage. As long as he's healthy there's a 30+ goal center staring right at us. Roope Hintz broke out at 24, thats what I envision next year for Chytil (age 23).

It's not semantics. I'm specifically talking about beating a goalie clean with a quality shot. That's what I'm talking about when saying that he does not have one and none of them have above average shots. Referencing shooting percentage has absolutely nothing to do with that. Why are we so afraid to actually acknowledge faults and areas of improvement for these guys rather than constantly just pretend like they're better than they are. Or are we just going to blame the coaches for the reason why the players can't get off good shots and actually beat goalies who are set cleanly? Every other team in the playoffs has somebody or multiple players that can actually beat the goalie cleanly on a shot and don't need to make 40 passes in order to do it. People complain all the time that the Rangers overpass in order to create offense, does anybody actually stop and think that maybe that's because they don't have pure shooters that can actually beat goalies with their shot and instead they need to pass their way into goals and that's a big reason why they struggle to score in the playoffs when those kind of passing plays are not available? It's not a bad thing to actually objectively criticize the group to identify such issues, but even with the denial, this group does not have any above average shooters on it other than the two guys I mentioned and one of them doesn't even want to shoot the damn puck

Yes, that's why I specifically used the phrase "FLASHES of highlight reel skill." You saw the two goals at least, so you know where I saw it. You can't do that once if you don't have the SKILL to do it, never mind TWICE, so the skill is there. It's a matter of seeing if it will ever be more than flashed.

Guys in beer league pull off bs goals and they don't have the ability to do it with any consistency. 2 goals in three years is nothing to really reference. It's known as reeeeaching for positivity bc what's staring us in the face is so disappointing

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Man oh man do we miss jesper

 

[LORDE]

Ya'll gonna be pretty disappointed when we roll basically the same team back we did to start the season minus some replacements for the holes in the roster from Kane, Tarasenko, Motte(maybe) and Mikkola leaving. It's going to happen but a new coach with a new vision of how this team plays and whats important for the long term success of the team may be enough to get us into a playoff spot and another trade deadline pick up or two.

Yeah. I will. The reasons are evident in the NMC, CAP, MANAGEMENT, lack of ANY semblance of youth developing & ONCE AGAIN...

RELYING ON GODLIKE GOALTENDING. Where have I heard that tale before???

Wake me when we have a green banana hope.

We're the 2nd to most pathetic O6 to the leafs

YAY

 

[Guyute]

Devils were a bad matchup for the Rangers

Canes were a bad matchup for the Devils

Rangers are a bad matchup for the Canes


We suck. Couldn’t even establish a forecheck against the Devils. What could have been.

 

[bhamill]

Guys in beer league pull off bs goals and they don't have the ability to do it with any consistency. 2 goals in three years is nothing to really reference. It's known as reeeeaching for positivity bc what's staring us in the face is so disappointing

Against beer league players… not in the best league on the planet at 21 and younger. The whole point is that the ABILITY IS THERE. He’s actually done it. Thats why I said flashes. Now we have to see as he continues to mature and develop at the highest level if he can do these things more consistently. I’m not sure if there’s a more clear way to explain potential. I’m not sure why I should believe he’s done developing in his D+3 at 21. You believe that? Fine. I’m not buying it.

 

[tomobson]

Man oh man do we miss jesper

I don't know. The coaches would have put him with Panarin and the name of the game for that line will be get everything to Panarin, which has proven not to be a good idea for playoff hockey. I really wish this new coach just puts Panarin with Mika and never looks back. Let the other lines play real hockey while the top line can live off the rush and overpassing. If Kreider can move to that RW I'd be even happier. Let the big three figure out how to play as a line together. They should be able to this.

 

[RangerBoy]

Don Waddell was on a podcast with Craig Custance snd Sean Gentile of the Athletic back in February. Waddell was asked Necas who took the next step this season in his 5th pro season. Full 4th full NHL season. They had many discussions with his agent last summer. Necas took some responsibility about last season not going the way he wanted and the organization took responsibility for Necas because he is a young player and the Canes need to develop him.



Kakko and Lafreniere are in the same boat. They need to take the next steps in their careers. They need to be better but the Rangers need to take responsibility too. The Rangers ownership and management felt Gallant didn't want to take responsibility for the Rangers bad play last fall. I remember Emily Kaplan reporting that information last fall. They wanted him to be more accountable and not blame others. The Rangers front office needs to follow their criticism of Gallant and do a better job with both of those young guys in addition to the Rangers other young players.

I remember listening to that podcast at the time and saying to myself someone should tell the Rangers about Necas and their role in Lafreniere and Kakko not taking the next step.

Management can blame the coaches but they hired the coaches.

I am sure these guys are paid very well. Time for them to take responsibility.

The Kings have a roster issue with too many players requiring waivers next season and the following season.



A lot of good information here.

 

[bleedblue94]

Against beer league players… not in the best league on the planet at 21 and younger. The whole point is that the ABILITY IS THERE. He’s actually done it. Thats why I said flashes. Now we have to see as he continues to mature and develop at the highest level if he can do these things more consistently. I’m not sure if there’s a more clear way to explain potential. I’m not sure why I should believe he’s done developing in his D+3 at 21. You believe that? Fine. I’m not buying it.

Okay, how many players put up big points in juniors and it doesn't translate? Or they occasionally do something standout at the NHL level but it's not sustainable? The elite players are able to do it consistently, not twice in three years. I never said he's done developing, but what I and many people are questioning is what are his standout attributes at the NHL level. What is he actually better at than his peers? It's not skating, it's not shooting, it's not passing, it's not board play, it's not defense, so I'm just wondering. You seem to think I want the kid to fail which couldnt be further from the truth, but that is what he has presented to this point, disappointment and people trying to find flashes of that supposed elite skill he showed in junior bc he isn't showing any of it consistently at this level 3 years in

 

[Kravtsov420]

We need to spend more of that money getting an edge behind the scenes (where there's no cap) and less of it on the obvious move that grabs notoriety.

We've done it in some respects. I'm telling you guys, there's no accident with our relative lack of injuries over the last two years. It's absurd. We clearly have an edge in fitness that we've invested in.

I would like to see similar strides in analytics and skills training.

I think not going to the hard areas of the ice and battling one on one for the puck are the reason tbh. Panarin is a perimeter player, zibanejad is mostly a perimeter player, Kreider try’s to get away from physical contact as much as possible, and then the overall game plan of the team was to literally not drive the net the last 2 years.

I think luck also played a part in injuries but to say the rangers are the best conditioned team in the league I think is disingenuous. Looks like half the time they’re on the ice they’re out their to do some pirouettes and then go back to the bench

 

[McRanger92]

Don Waddell was on a podcast with Craig Custance snd Sean Gentile of the Athletic back in February. Waddell was asked Necas who took the next step this season in his 5th pro season. Full 4th full NHL season. They had many discussions with his agent last summer. Necas took some responsibility about last season not going the way he wanted and the organization took responsibility for Necas because he is a young player and the Canes need to develop him.



Kakko and Lafreniere are in the same boat. They need to take the next steps in their careers. They need to be better but the Rangers need to take responsibility too. The Rangers ownership and management felt Gallant didn't want to take responsibility for the Rangers bad play last fall. I remember Emily Kaplan reporting that information last fall. They wanted him to be more accountable and not blame others. The Rangers front office needs to follow their criticism of Gallant and do a better job with both of those young guys in addition to the Rangers other young players.

I remember listening to that podcast at the time and saying to myself someone should tell the Rangers about Necas and their role in Lafreniere and Kakko not taking the next step.

Management can blame the coaches but they hired the coaches.

I am sure these guys are paid very well. Time for them to take responsibility.

The Kings have a roster issue with too many players requiring waivers next season and the following season.



A lot of good information here.

Give the Kids bigger roles under a new coach who isn't a dinosaur and profit.

Also, Jesper Fast is making me look like a genius recently. Bring him home.

 

[Fitzy]

Give the Kids bigger roles under a new coach who isn't a dinosaur and profit.

Also, Jesper Fast is making me look like a genius recently. Bring him home.

The rumor that he was let go because he "Didn't fit the window age-wise" as reported by Edge looks like one of the more blatantly dumb decisions by management.

 

[mas0764]

What position has Byfield been playing in LA? I think they have him on the wing no? Laf for Byfield straight up and shift Chytil to RW?

Byfield has underwhelmed way more than Laf has.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I liked Fast but I don’t want/need him back and he won’t fix any of the issues plaguing this team

 

[mas0764]

Give the Kids bigger roles under a new coach who isn't a dinosaur and profit.

Also, Jesper Fast is making me look like a genius recently. Bring him home.

Fast would be a nice add but he apparently doesn’t like living in NY and we don’t have the money to overpay him.

 

[McRanger92]

I liked Fast but I don’t want/need him back and he won’t fix any of the issues plaguing this team

He would help fix the speed and forechecking issue. But yes, the major issues will need to be addressed with internal improvement among the players we already have.

The rumor that he was let go because he "Didn't fit the window age-wise" as reported by Edge looks like one of the more blatantly dumb decisions by management.

Over the last couple days Ive heard every reason imaginable why Fast left and the only constant is that it was a big mistake by us. At least we gave that cap space to Brendan Lemiuex!

 

[bhamill]

Okay, how many players put up big points in juniors and it doesn't translate? Or they occasionally do something standout at the NHL level but it's not sustainable? The elite players are able to do it consistently, not twice in three years. I never said he's done developing, but what I and many people are questioning is what are his standout attributes at the NHL level. What is he actually better at than his peers? It's not skating, it's not shooting, it's not passing, it's not board play, it's not defense, so I'm just wondering. You seem to think I want the kid to fail which couldnt be further from the truth, but that is what he has presented to this point, disappointment and people trying to find flashes of that supposed elite skill he showed in junior bc he isn't showing any of it consistently at this level 3 years in

No, I don’t think you want the kid to fail, and I apologize if it comes off that way, buddy.
And I’m not guaranteeing he ever finds consistency. I’m just saying that it’s not unusual for it to take a player longer than his D+3 to do so. Especially one brought along and utilized as Laf has been. He has shown flashes of that high end skill and even with his lack of consistency he's already a solid physical NHLer. At 21. I really don’t think I’m “out there” on this assessment, but maybe I’m nuts.
Anyway I think most of us who debate this really already know where each other stand, so I really should curb my commenting on it. Hahaha. l am sure we both hope I end up being right.

 

[Synergy27]

Byfield has underwhelmed way more than Laf has.

Has he though? They have basically underwhelmed in exactly the same way:

I’d be interested in trying to cash in on that shooting percentage regression. Also, while Laf hasn’t had the opportunity, Byfield has shown that he can be a PPG player in the A.

Again, the concept here is a shake up, and shifting Chytil to wing which is something that I’m slowly getting on board with.

 

[bhamill]

Has he though? They have basically underwhelmed in exactly the same way:

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I’d be interested in trying to cash in on that shooting percentage regression. Also, while Laf hasn’t had the opportunity, Byfield has shown that he can be a PPG player in the A.

Again, the concept here is a shake up, and shifting Chytil to wing which is something that I’m slowly getting on board with.

I think Byfield will come around, as will Laf, but I wouldnt make that trade. If you tripled Byfield’s shooting percentage he’s at about .5 G/60 which is not that far behind Laf’s .7, or Laf is still scoring 40% more, depending how you want to look at it.

 

[Savant]

Devils were a bad matchup for the Rangers

Canes were a bad matchup for the Devils

Rangers are a bad matchup for the Canes


We suck. Couldn’t even establish a forecheck against the Devils. What could have been.

If the Rangers didn’t have the heart to beat the Devils, they certainly did not have the heart to beat this Canes team.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Has he though? They have basically underwhelmed in exactly the same way:

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I’d be interested in trying to cash in on that shooting percentage regression. Also, while Laf hasn’t had the opportunity, Byfield has shown that he can be a PPG player in the A.

Again, the concept here is a shake up, and shifting Chytil to wing which is something that I’m slowly getting on board with.

It's not just a sh% thing with him. He cannot score goals.

I think he scored 3 goals vs a goalie all year and one of them was a shot that went in off of him.

His game has improved in other areas, but his production was very, very much carried by who he played with rather than him complimenting said players.

 

[mas0764]

Has he though? They have basically underwhelmed in exactly the same way:

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I’d be interested in trying to cash in on that shooting percentage regression. Also, while Laf hasn’t had the opportunity, Byfield has shown that he can be a PPG player in the A.

Again, the concept here is a shake up, and shifting Chytil to wing which is something that I’m slowly getting on board with.

They really haven't been disappointing in the same way. Lafreniere has better metrics across the board. And shooting a higher percentage as Laf does is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Byfield would be a great buy-low opportunity but I'm not dealing Lafreniere for him.

 

[bleedblue94]

I'm curious how much people would add to laffy and chytil for the #2 pick this year to draft Fantilli

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'm curious how much people would add to laffy and chytil for the #2 pick this year to draft Fantilli

Would be dumb because if they do it, they should take Smith.


Not that Anaheim is moving that pick anyway.

 

[mas0764]

I'm curious how much people would add to laffy and chytil for the #2 pick this year to draft Fantilli

After seeing how we develop top picks, I'm not moving two or more assets for another one.

Bedard, sure.

Not a guy who I think need to grow.

 

[Synergy27]

They really haven't been disappointing in the same way. Lafreniere has better metrics across the board. And shooting a higher percentage as Laf does is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Byfield would be a great buy-low opportunity but I'm not dealing Lafreniere for him.

I literally just posted a bunch of metrics that show these players are basically identical statistically. How are Laf’s metrics better across the board?