Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[McRanger92]

Panarin had the second best 5v5 chance generation on the team against the Devils.

He's becoming a scapegoat for something the entire team is absolutely terrible at.

Also, his defensive analytics are well above average so his dumb passes aren't leading to as many chances against as we think.

He does a lot of dumb things, but again, the whole team is an absolute trainwreck at 5v5 offense.

The only stats that matter for Panarin are 2 points, 7 playoff games and 11.6 million dollars. The rest is a coping mechanism to say "see he wasn't that bad!" Panarin signed up for this criticism when he put pen to paper in 2019. He got all the love and adoration he deserved from the fanbase when expectations were zero, so we're keeping the same energy now. The guy is basically getting a pass from the media anyway because he's a goofball in the locker room. He isn't getting it done in the playoffs, and it needs to change or he needs to go.

 

[Machinehead]

The only stats that matter for Panarin are 2 points, 7 playoff games and 11.6 million dollars. The rest is a coping mechanism to say "see he wasn't that bad!" Panarin signed up for this criticism when he put pen to paper in 2019. He got all the love and adoration he deserved from the fanbase when expectations were zero, so we're keeping the same energy now. He isn't getting it done in the playoffs, and it needs to change or he needs to go.

There's nobody out there that wouldn't be bad at even strength offense on the team we had, with the coach we had.

He's probably not going anywhere, and I got news for you, the team probably isn't interested in him going anywhere.

I think we should circle back to it if/when the rest of the team functions and he's still not producing.

 

[NYR Viper]

I could be swayed to giving this group one more kick at the can. But I'm making as many tertiary changes as I can, including but not limited to, Goodrow and Lindgren traded and Jones a full time NHL player to start the season.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Kreider-Chytil-Trochek
Panarin-_______-________
Motte-_______-Vesey

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
_______-Schneider

Shesty
_______

 

[McRanger92]

There's nobody out there that wouldn't be bad at even strength offense on the team we had, with the coach we had.

He's probably not going anywhere, and I got news for you, the team probably isn't interested in him going anywhere.

I think we should circle back to it if/when the rest of the team functions and he's still not producing.

I agree that hes not going anywhere, and getting him to snap out of it is a more likely path to the Rangers winning anything.

But saying "everyone was bad" is not a good excuse for guys like Panarin, Mika and Trouba (i wont include Kreider in this case) who get paid the most, play the most and get to dictate who they play with. Get out of the kitchen if you dont like the smoke. Panarin wont even face the music publicly. As I've said, the lack of accountability does not foster a positive team culture, which is why everyone checked out after Game 2.

It must be real nice for the 21 & 22 year olds drafted by the team to see Brooks write that they could pay the price for the failings of a core of 30 year old mercenaries, who theyve been stuck behind for their whole careers

 

[Fitzy]

I could be swayed to giving this group one more kick at the can. But I'm making as many tertiary changes as I can, including but not limited to, Goodrow and Lindgren traded and Jones a full time NHL player to start the season.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Kreider-Chytil-Trochek
Panarin-_______-________
Motte-_______-Vesey

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
_______-Schneider

Shesty
_______

Our defensive corps really needs Jones to make the team and find his game at this level. He's too important a prospect to not give a real shot to.

 

[bhamill]

There's nobody out there that wouldn't be bad at even strength offense on the team we had, with the coach we had.

He's probably not going anywhere, and I got news for you, the team probably isn't interested in him going anywhere.

I think we should circle back to it if/when the rest of the team functions and he's still not producing.

I think there is a balance here. No it's not ALL on Panarin, but when you are the highest paid player on the team (second in the league?) maybe the MOST should be expected from you. Rather than guys on ELCs or second contract bridges...
I'd be willing to give Panarin one more chance before I give up on him, but I'm expecting disappointment at this juncture.

 

[Machinehead]

I think there is a balance here. No it's not ALL on Panarin, but when you are the highest paid player on the team (second in the league?) maybe the MOST should be expected from you. Rather than guys on ELCs or second contract bridges...
I'd be willing to give Panarin one more chance before I give up on him, but I'm expecting disappointment at this juncture.

Don't disagree at all.

It's ok to be disappointed and question whether or not you want to move forward with the player.

I think the outright denial from some that he still creates offense better than anyone else on the team and that this would have to be replaced is another story.

 

[McRanger92]

Don't disagree at all.

It's ok to be disappointed and question whether or not you want to move forward with the player.

I think the outright denial from some that he still creates offense better than anyone else on the team and that this would have to be replaced is another story.

For the record, I dont think this. Hes obviously the most talented offensive forward on the team (he still leaves meat on the bone too much for my liking but thats just me). I just dont think the team would automatically be worse without him, it would just be different. And different doesnt mean bad.

 

[Machinehead]

I could be swayed to giving this group one more kick at the can. But I'm making as many tertiary changes as I can, including but not limited to, Goodrow and Lindgren traded and Jones a full time NHL player to start the season.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Kreider-Chytil-Trochek
Panarin-_______-________
Motte-_______-Vesey

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
_______-Schneider

Shesty
_______

Here's a crazy hypothetical take at it.

I think Florida might be interested in Lindgren and I would love for Ryan Lomberg to be part of the return.

Lomberg-Zibanejad-Kakko
Kreider-Trocheck-Panarin
Lafreniere-Chytil-Brown
Motte-Some Guy-Vesey

Miller-Fox
Gostisbehere-Schneider
Jones-Trouba

Yes, I'm moving Panarin to RW. The more I think about it, the more I wanna do it. He's slowing down and it's time for him to adapt his game. Artemi, buddy, when's the last time you cut to the middle??? Let's be real here. Being on his strong side allows him to survey the ice and pass without coming to a full ass stop.

Also I want to play a more cycle-heavy game and the sides don't matter than much when everyone shifts around the boards and tries to find soft ice.

Othmann and Cuylle are obviously in the mix there as well.

Trouba needs to play less. I would do anything possible to get rid of him (waaayyyyy before Panarin) but I'm trying to be grounded here.

 

[Machinehead]

This team desperately needs to find another Pouliot and/or Hagelin.

Not just the makeup and the speed, but the concept of it.

A cheap free agent and a contributor from Hartford that come here and give us great years because they fit the system, and then somebody else pays them too much to be bottom sixers.

We're that second team way too often.

 

[McRanger92]

This team desperately needs to find another Pouliot and/or Hagelin.

Not just the makeup and the speed, but the concept of it.

A cheap free agent and a contributor from Hartford that come here and give us great years because they fit the system, and then somebody else pays them too much to be bottom sixers.

We're that second team way too often.

I think we'll have a gaggle of future Hagelin's (Gagelins?) in Hartford. Sykora, Berard, BMB, even Edstrom can be bottom 6 role players in the coming years. Othmann & Cuylle I think have a higher ceiling than the rest of those guys but theyll be important players for us.

 

[Machinehead]

I think we'll have a gaggle of future Hagelin's (Gagelins?) in Hartford. Sykora, Berard, BMB, even Edstrom can be bottom 6 role players in the coming years. Othmann & Cuylle I think have a higher ceiling than the rest of those guys but theyll be important players for us.

lol'ing at Gagelins

 

[zlev]

There is a reason Panarin liked playing with Fast. Panarin basically needs someone to do the dirty work and get the puck out of the corners.

I've had enough of watching him coast in behind a scrum of players against the boards only to see the puck shoot out and catch everyone deep in the offensive zone.

That is not Panarin's game, and if he doesn't have other players on his line that will do it for him, he is not effective, and can even be a detriment.

Fast's strength was actually that he was excellent in the neutral zone, causing turnovers and creating space for Panarin and Strome to do their thing.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Impatient fanbase remains impatient. NYR fans are buying too much into media hype around the team and rebuild. The Letter was sent 5 years ago and we already have 2 100 point seasons and an ECF appearance since. Why are the Rangers graded on such a harsh curve when half the league is in a massive playoff or Cup drought?

This Tampa Bay Lighting team that won 2 and appeared in 3 straight Finals first appeared in a Stanley Cup in 2015 lol, and it still took them an additional 5 years (missing the playoffs once and suffering the biggest 1st round upset in NHL history) to get over the hump. The idea that Rangers "need" to win in the next 2 years is a joke with the amount of young and under control talent on the NHL roster and in the minors. We were sold sustained success by the organization, and to me it looks like we are very much on track for that.

Our best players aren't that young though.

 

[zlev]

The only stats that matter for Panarin are 2 points, 7 playoff games and 11.6 million dollars. The rest is a coping mechanism to say "see he wasn't that bad!" Panarin signed up for this criticism when he put pen to paper in 2019. He got all the love and adoration he deserved from the fanbase when expectations were zero, so we're keeping the same energy now. The guy is basically getting a pass from the media anyway because he's a goofball in the locker room. He isn't getting it done in the playoffs, and it needs to change or he needs to go.

im sorry but this is such a neanderthal, mike and the mad dog caller way of looking at hockey. we're talking about a 7 game sample where the entire team as a whole couldn't get through the neutral zone to save their life in 4 of the 7 games. to take 7 games and blame them all or mostly on one guy and say that he doesn't care, doesn't want to win, etc, is ludicrous. this literally happens all the time, every playoffs. look at all of Toronto's stars not producing in their series either. do those players also not care?

 

[NYR Viper]

Here's a crazy hypothetical take at it.

I think Florida might be interested in Lindgren and I would love for Ryan Lomberg to be part of the return.

Lomberg-Zibanejad-Kakko
Kreider-Trocheck-Panarin
Lafreniere-Chytil-Brown
Motte-Some Guy-Vesey

Miller-Fox
Gostisbehere-Schneider
Jones-Trouba

Yes, I'm moving Panarin to RW. The more I think about it, the more I wanna do it. He's slowing down and it's time for him to adapt his game. Artemi, buddy, when's the last time you cut to the middle??? Let's be real here. Being on his strong side allows him to survey the ice and pass without coming to a full ass stop.

Also I want to play a more cycle-heavy game and the sides don't matter than much when everyone shifts around the boards and tries to find soft ice.

Othmann and Cuylle are obviously in the mix there as well.

Trouba needs to play less. I would do anything possible to get rid of him (waaayyyyy before Panarin) but I'm trying to be grounded here.

I like this with the small exception being that I throw Lafreniere with Zibanejad and hope that any deal that sends Lindgren away could return at least some nice futures. I wouldn't hate Lomberg as a secondary piece

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Florida should be all over Lindgren. I'm not married to keeping him long term as he's the type of guy who is overvalued in this league, but the Rangers probably overvalue him too.

I don't think that they really need to move on from him either. I'd certainly revisit this a year from now (and I have zero interest in signing him long term when his UFA year comes up) after seeing what he looks like under a new coach. I think structured breakouts will help him.

 

[zlev]

Here's a crazy hypothetical take at it.

I think Florida might be interested in Lindgren and I would love for Ryan Lomberg to be part of the return.

Lomberg-Zibanejad-Kakko
Kreider-Trocheck-Panarin
Lafreniere-Chytil-Brown
Motte-Some Guy-Vesey

Miller-Fox
Gostisbehere-Schneider
Jones-Trouba

Yes, I'm moving Panarin to RW. The more I think about it, the more I wanna do it. He's slowing down and it's time for him to adapt his game. Artemi, buddy, when's the last time you cut to the middle??? Let's be real here. Being on his strong side allows him to survey the ice and pass without coming to a full ass stop.

Also I want to play a more cycle-heavy game and the sides don't matter than much when everyone shifts around the boards and tries to find soft ice.

Othmann and Cuylle are obviously in the mix there as well.

Trouba needs to play less. I would do anything possible to get rid of him (waaayyyyy before Panarin) but I'm trying to be grounded here.

i like this but i'd rather try to move Schneider for Lomberg. but then we'd have to find a right handed Gostisbehere.

 

[McRanger92]

Our best players aren't that young though.

Fox and Igor are 25 & 26

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Fox and Igor are 25 & 26

may as well be dead at that age

 

[McRanger92]

im sorry but this is such a neanderthal, mike and the mad dog caller way of looking at hockey. we're talking about a 7 game sample where the entire team as a whole couldn't get through the neutral zone to save their life in 4 of the 7 games. to take 7 games and blame them all or mostly on one guy and say that he doesn't care, doesn't want to win, etc, is ludicrous. this literally happens all the time, every playoffs. look at all of Toronto's stars not producing in their series either. do those players also not care?

Ask Toronto fans, that's their problem. Hasn't exactly been sunshine and rainbows north of the border has it?

 

[DanielBrassard]

Fox and Igor are 25 & 26

And the top forwards are 32, 32, 30, 30 going into next season.

 

[Machinehead]

And the top forwards are 32, 32, 30, 30 going into next season.

True. Jimmy Vesey will be 30 this month.

 

[DanielBrassard]

True. Jimmy Vesey will be 30 this month.

I didn't even think that needed to be said.

 

[McRanger92]

And the top forwards are 32, 32, 30, 30 going into next season.

Kreider will be gone after next year with another disappointing exit, and yeah were stuck with Panarin for 3 more years. When he's gone Fox will be 28, Chytil & Miller will be 26, Kakko 25, Lafreniere will be 24. Plus a bunch of young prospects who have yet to debut. I know people are writing them off as nobodies because that weren't top 5 picks but historically those are guys the Rangers have a lot of success developing.

If you're trying to convince me the situation is dire, I'm not buying it.