It does not take hindsight for most people to realize that moving Buch was dumb.
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It’s completely useless without doing a lot of work to normalize things because it’s not tracked the same in all arenas. It’s also not important because the league leader at 5v5 has like 1 per game and the majority of them don’t lead to good scoring chances so the overall xGA of any individual giveaway is very low
It wasn’t dumb. What was is not getting a 1st rounder
haohmaru
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It was dumb. We're still looking for right wingers to this day.
It was doubly dumb because of the impatience in the guy that they got (Blais). That was a guy they could've used in this years playoffs instead of trading him for a rental. We would've had an additional 1st round pick too.
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Yeah it was dumb. But it was compounded by the exit strategy
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Soft teams can survive in regular season but they are fodder in post season when the real hockey starts and the refs only blow the whistle every so often . A smart GM would know that stuff....and our GM is not that smart and it is quite obvious . We likely will get 100 + pts once again and bow out quickly in round one . The hamster wheel keeps turning ....
haohmaru
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"The games that are more likely to see more penalty calls than in the regular season are the first four games of the first two rounds. In those eight games, there are 3.5 power plays per team per contest, 17 percent more than the regular-season average."
It was dumb. Buch would fetch much more than a 1st rounder now, and not long after the trade. A lot of people recognized that. He was just beginning to enter his prime.
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We could have made the cap around Buch work had we not gone out and signed Goodrow for 65% of what Buch got from St Louis
Then why were the offers poop ?
Yes should of gotten more but clearly no team offered better
In hindsite it’s easy to say he should of been an own rental
buch being teamed up with blais at least 50% of his shifts could be beyond the realms of possibility. very weird how things can turn.
1 we don’t know that.
2 there are more dumb GMs out there than just Drury.
3 you don’t rent a 25 year old Buchnevich with 20 G and 48 pts in 54 GP. You lock him up, like St. Louis did immediately after swindling him from Drury.
Buchnevich would have been an easy sign and similar impact to Panarin had we not had zero patience.
Most of the production and minimal
Playoff impact but at half the price.
Most of the production and minimal
Playoff impact but at half the price.
Goodrow was going to get the contract he got. We got screwed by his agent leaking other teams had talked to him, and throw out hypotetical offers.
going for him was fine. If he's at 2.5m he's a value add.
its the 3.6 thats the problem. it was the 6 years that was the bigger problem.
He is a useful 4th line who can bump up.
He was clearly a good locker room additin.
Fitzy
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My point is that if we didn’t have space for Buch, we shouldn’t have had space for Goodrow.
I’d much rather have Buch at 5.5 than Goodrow at 3.6 and it’s not particularly close.
Sure, no one's arguing that, nor is anyone saying that goodrow is the buch replacement.
Kakko was supposed to be that replacement. he didnt have the years everyone expected. If he had, this wouldn't even be a discussion.
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I don't mind trading Buch, it was just that we were getting a known injury prone player in return. I dont know why this team continually trades for guys who either arent or cant stay healthy. Blais was the type of player we needed but nobody on earth thought he'd be a healthy player for us. Had they moved Buchnevich for something decent it wouldnt matter, obviously the kids haven't stepped up like the team thought they would have and its backfired a bit, i still believe in the kids though. Basically if you were trading Buch the return should have been much better or you kept him.
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would be thrilled if panarin had half the impact buch did last playoffs this year or last year after the pittsburgh series
Except the injury blais got, is not one you'd worry about for a guy whos knock is "injury prone". if he got a concusion, or a neck / back injury, absolutely blame drury.
Moving buch, was a move by drury that while hindsight says was bad, was a move to allow our kids to potentially grow more, and also gets a return from him before he hits UFA and walks and "if the kids grew in that last year" he'd have walked for almost nothing because the rangers couldn't afford to pay ufa money.
I'm saying we should have stayed away given his market value. I think at 2.5 he's still a luxury. But we couldn't have got him for 2.5 so we should have stayed away. 6 years and the NTC was just inexcusably dumb.
Any time he bumps up, he looks out of place. Its like saying Brendan Smith can play both sides. He could go out on RD but he plays even worse than he does at LD. That doesn't mean he can play both sides. It just means he's willing to and some dumb coach takes him up on it.
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He can't be bothered with minor nonsense, kid is in the gym 8 hours a day. He works out and sleeps. That's it.
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