Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[Irishguy42]

When Laf gonna sign geeze

He can't be bothered with minor nonsense, kid his in the gym 8 hours a day. He works out and sleeps. That's it.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

 

[egelband]

going for him was fine. If he's at 2.5m he's a value add.
its the 3.6 thats the problem. it was the 6 years that was the bigger problem.

He is a useful 4th line who can bump up.
He was clearly a good locker room additin.

Yeah. Goodrow got the AAV *and* the term. Probably should have been one or the other. But I’d ever begrudge a guy getting what he can and i think many here overrate the impact on the cap. I don’t think that deal is crippling the rangers and he’s a very solid player. Pretty sure if Drury wanted to trade him he could easily do so.

 

[egelband]

He can't be bothered with minor nonsense, kid is in the gym 8 hours a day. He works out and sleeps. That's it.

Laf doesn’t sleep. He waits. Like Chuck Norris but with elite hockey sense.

 

[Leonardo87]

When Laf gonna sign geeze

There really is no rush, this is common. As long as he is signed before training camp starts it’s all good.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Sure, no one's arguing that, nor is anyone saying that goodrow is the buch replacement.

Kakko was supposed to be that replacement. he didnt have the years everyone expected. If he had, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

Kakko was that replacement, when he started on the top line early in the season when the vets were a f***ing joke he was the best part of that top line and made them a positive possession line, but that brainless oaf of a coach just had to put the blame of Zibanejad and Kreider shooting like 2% on him, removed him from the line put the godforsaken kid line back together. Oh and he left worthless ass Trochek on PP1 the entire season until he finally had some new more high-profile old ass vets to replace him.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Yeah. Goodrow got the AAV *and* the term. Probably should have been one or the other. But I’d ever begrudge a guy getting what he can and i think many here overrate the impact on the cap. I don’t think that deal is crippling the rangers and he’s a very solid player. Pretty sure if Drury wanted to trade him he could easily do so.

The problem is more we never filed tampering charges.
We traded for his UFA rights, and someone leaked that other teams were willing to offer 5+ years for goodrow.
We should've filed tampering charges and gotten our draft capital back if not more.

We realized we needed a piece to help give us more depth, but then we were "forced" into eating a 5th rd pick as sunk cost, or actually giving him this deal.

We could probably move goodrow, im not sure how easy it will be, but we could move him. Its looking more like that nemeth deal was more to acquire the prospect we did.

Kakko was that replacement, when he started on the top line early in the season when the vets were a f***ing joke he was the best part of that top line and made them a positive possession line, but that brainless oaf of a coach just had to put the blame of Zibanejad and Kreider shooting like 2% on him, removed him from the line put the godforsaken kid line back together. Oh and he left worthless ass Trochek on PP1 the entire season until he finally had some new more high-profile old ass vets to replace him.

Kakko's ceiling is far above buch's.
So I dont have an issue with that as a whole. Gallant is the old regime, lets see what a new coach coming in can do.

 

[kovazub94]

When Laf gonna sign geeze

Not on a weekend.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

It was dumb. We're still looking for right wingers to this day.

It was doubly dumb because of the impatience in the guy that they got (Blais). That was a guy they could've used in this years playoffs instead of trading him for a rental. We would've had an additional 1st round pick too.

It was actually a move that in a vacuum most on this board would support, removing player names and hindsight.

Veteran(ish) right winger who is due a big raise, with a flat cap, two recently drafted in the top 10 skilled Right Wingers ready to step into the NHL and they need minutes. Everyone on here is always dying to trade established players to give kids a chance it's just very, very unfortunate that the biggest opportunity to present itself in this matter included these specific players. On paper, moving Buch to give his minutes to two players in Kakko and Kravtsov who would've combined to be 1/3 of his cap hit, made total sense.

We have people here wanting to trade Panarin and/or Kreider to accommodate Laf, trading Buch to give his minutes to Kakko and Kravtsov was that same kind of move - made even more reasonable when factored in to the flat cap environment.

 

[effen]

I don't agree the org has been dumb or bad with their ideas. The guys who have busted out are....exactly what we need/could have used. Crusty middle six center with bad humor (Andersson), big bodied power winger (Blais), toolsy winger (Krav), cheap average 4th liner who can play up (Howden).

They just all busted, a lot of bad luck with it. But the ideas were the right ones.

 

[UnSandvich]

It was actually a move that in a vacuum most on this board would support, removing player names and hindsight.

Veteran(ish) right winger who is due a big raise, with a flat cap, two recently drafted in the top 10 skilled Right Wingers ready to step into the NHL and they need minutes. Everyone on here is always dying to trade established players to give kids a chance it's just very, very unfortunate that the biggest opportunity to present itself in this matter included these specific players. On paper, moving Buch to give his minutes to two players in Kakko and Kravtsov who would've combined to be 1/3 of his cap hit, made total sense.

We have people here wanting to trade Panarin and/or Kreider to accommodate Laf, trading Buch to give his minutes to Kakko and Kravtsov was that same kind of move - made even more reasonable when factored in to the flat cap environment.

If we're vacuum'ing this, the better move in a vacuum was moving Kreider. Even if it wasn't for the Robertson+1st return Edge reported, it would've been a significantly better return than Blais + 2nd. Keeping Buch over Kreider would've meant a single top line player at each position, rather than 2 LWs, a C, and no RWs. Considering Kravtsov was reportedly able to play either side at the time, he could've fit in at LW in plans, even without considering Laf getting drafted

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I don't agree the org has been dumb or bad with their ideas. The guys who have busted out are....exactly what we need/could have used. Crusty middle six center with bad humor (Andersson), big bodied power winger (Blais), toolsy winger (Krav), cheap average 4th liner who can play up (Howden).

They just all busted, a lot of bad luck with it. But the ideas were the right ones.

One or two players miss its an accident, that isn't the case here, we're decades into poor development when it comes to anyone about a bottom 6 forward. It's almost laughable that they took so long to develop Buchnevich and then traded him as soon as he was a good nhl player.

 

[Synergy27]

If we're vacuum'ing this, the better move in a vacuum was moving Kreider. Even if it wasn't for the Robertson+1st return Edge reported, it would've been a significantly better return than Blais + 2nd. Keeping Buch over Kreider would've meant a single top line player at each position, rather than 2 LWs, a C, and no RWs. Considering Kravtsov was reportedly able to play either side at the time, he could've fit in at LW in plans, even without considering Laf getting drafted

This is a good point. But, and we know this, intangibles bruh.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

assuming it was legitimate, you cannot convince me that not moving Kreider for Robertson plus doesn’t haunt Gorton and Drury to this day

That said I’m sure if we had Robertson he’d turn into a bum

Cause that’s the Ranger way

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Patrik Nemeth signs in Switzerland

Bank Security Guard?

 

[Barnaby]

Boldy gets 3+ more minutes than Kakko every game. If that translates to a point every 4 games, let's say, that adds 20 points to Kakko = 59. Boldy had 63

What I'm saying is that no one is markedly ahead of Kakko besides the two guys that I mentioned. I'll stick with that. Hopefully the future hold brighter things for Kakko who is likely, now, to get those 3+ minutes this year.

So Kakko put up 39 points playing 15 minutes a game, but adding 3 min a game gives him 59? So a 40 point player to a 60 point player? If Kakko was as good as Boldy then he’d be playing more. Not saying Kakko can’t possibly be better one day, but if they offered up Boldy for Kakko, the Rangers couldn’t sign on fast enough.

 

[Barnaby]

Kakko was that replacement, when he started on the top line early in the season when the vets were a f***ing joke he was the best part of that top line and made them a positive possession line, but that brainless oaf of a coach just had to put the blame of Zibanejad and Kreider shooting like 2% on him, removed him from the line put the godforsaken kid line back together. Oh and he left worthless ass Trochek on PP1 the entire season until he finally had some new more high-profile old ass vets to replace him.

I like Kakko on that line, but at no point was he the best part of that line. This is just delusional.

He was supposed to replace Buch, but as til now is not near that class of player. Maybe he becomes it one day. Maybe he doesn’t. If he was the best part of that top line, then you’d think he’d kill it on the 3rd line with weaker matchups and a good center in Chytil.

 

[Barnaby]

One or two players miss its an accident, that isn't the case here, we're decades into poor development when it comes to anyone about a bottom 6 forward. It's almost laughable that they took so long to develop Buchnevich and then traded him as soon as he was a good nhl player.

Andersson, Krav, Howden became what they were always going to be. Not to mention, people bitch about Kakko and Laf not getting enough ice time but criticized the Rangers relentlessly for giving Howden too much and applauded his trade. The problem was in the scouting. You also complain about the busts, but never the hits. I’m hopeful that Drury has fixed the scouting and player evaluations, but need to see more. Their philosophy has clearly changed… hopefully for the better.

 

[mas0764]

We could have made the cap around Buch work had we not gone out and signed Goodrow for 65% of what Buch got from St Louis

The dumbest part is that it stemmed from an idiotic obsession to be tougher for no reason at all instead of more skilled which is what was needed.

Then why were the offers poop ?

Yes should of gotten more but clearly no team offered better

In hindsite it’s easy to say he should of been an own rental

We turned down better offers.

 

[haohmaru]

So Kakko put up 39 points playing 15 minutes a game, but adding 3 min a game gives him 59? So a 40 point player to a 60 point player? If Kakko was as good as Boldy then he’d be playing more. Not saying Kakko can’t possibly be better one day, but if they offered up Boldy for Kakko, the Rangers couldn’t sign on fast enough.

Yeah, I mean you have to look at contextually as well. This year, he's likely playing on the first line with more minutes with better players. 60 points isn't unrealistic.

As to your second postulation, I don't think that's a trade the Rangers make. Kakko brings elements that Boldy doesn't. Like I said, I think both are comparable but have different facets to their games. I don't think anyone besides Hughes and possibly Zegras are demonstrably better than Kakko.

 

[Avery16]

Bank Security Guard?

Lol, KHL, SHL wouldn't even sign him. That's how bad he stunk. And Drury thought he was good enough for $2.5m x 3 with a partial NTC. What a joke.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

assuming it was legitimate, you cannot convince me that not moving Kreider for Robertson plus doesn’t haunt Gorton and Drury to this day

That said I’m sure if we had Robertson he’d turn into a bum

Cause that’s the Ranger way

His skating would fit right in so I'm not sure about that

 

[Barnaby]

Yeah, I mean you have to look at contextually as well. This year, he's likely playing on the first line with more minutes with better players. 60 points isn't unrealistic.

As to your second postulation, I don't think that's a trade the Rangers make. Kakko brings elements that Boldy doesn't. Like I said, I think both are comparable but have different facets to their games. I don't think anyone besides Hughes and possibly Zegras are demonstrably better than Kakko.

Boldy just scored 31 goals and had 63 points. Boldy is going to be a 40 goal scorer sooner rather than later. The idea that the Rangers wouldn’t trade Kakko for him is ridiculous. You don’t not trade for a game breaking offensive winger to keep a winger who produced at a much lower clip because he has “good underlying numbers.” Maybe Kakko gets to these point totals one day, but Boldy already has. Kakko for all his good points hasn’t shown that he’s more than a solid middle six winger yet. I also don’t see anything game breaking in Kakko’s game. Odds are he’s a very good support player.

There might be a leg to stand on if Kakko was a great defensive center, but no one is looking for a great defensive winger at the top of the draft.

 

[Barnaby]

The dumbest part is that it stemmed from an idiotic obsession to be tougher for no reason at all instead of more skilled which is what was needed.



We turned down better offers.

Turned down better offers based on….. no one doubts it was a lousy trade, but we have no way of knowing what was out there. Buch was good, but not the player he is today and still needed to be paid. Look at what PLD just brought in, and remember he’s valued higher today than Buch was at the time of his trade.

 

[TGWL]

I know nobody wants to hear this but Panarin would be better on a team that could match his talent and play around him with a structure.

His ability with the puck is on a deserted island on this roster. Of course he's gonna turn it over. If he doesn't break the defense by himself, it's dump in and then do nothing.

The only other guy we have with top six skill, and an understanding of what the f*** he's good at and how to execute, also plays LW.

It's hard to beat the defense when you carry the puck up from the goal line.