Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don’t intend to make excuses for him, but seriously, who has been his most consistent RW for him the past couple of years? How do you expect him to perform at an optimal rate in the playoffs with 1/3 of his line continually being a TDL piece. It would be easier if he was a prolific goal scorer, but he is a puck distributor, and it’s tougher to put up points when you are continuously playing on a line with new people. Other puck distributors such as Marner, McKinnon, etc. have had the luxury of playing with the same prolific goal scoring linemates over multiple years.
And I’m just curious, where do you find these stats about amount of minutes skaters play with different teammates etc. Thanks.

NHL Lines Advanced Stats

The Best Offensive and Defensive Lines in the NHL

moneypuck.com

Filter for regular season/playoffs, season of choice and then arrange the columns by TOI. You can do it at Natural Stat Trick too but I don't trust their analytics.

Also the TDL thing isn't really an excuse. He took to Copp immediately (who to this day, is the BEST fit he's had here) and was also immediately paired with players he has played with in the past after the TDL this season (Tarasenko and Kane, the latter of whom he had great chemistry with at one point at this level but the duo was toxic AF because neither of them are as good as they were when they played together in Chicago.)

Barbashev was a TDL pick up and ended up fitting in tremendously with his line mates.

I'll keep on going back to what @Synergy27 posted, he's underperformed even relative to whom ever line mates have been attached to him. Even if he was having a tough time adjusting to who ever he's been paired with after a deadline pick up, hes performed worse than said player (And his center... and every other player on the team.)

 

[Machinehead]

Panarin and Tarasenko had great chemistry, so immediately Gallant was like

and broke them up after one game.

The first game after he breaks them up, Panarin scores 4 goals in a game we were outshot 67-4 and that was it for us having good line combos the rest of the year.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Who are some FAs that would cost say < 850k who we should consider picking up or inviting to camp? Still some decent names out there on the forward side.

 

[Machinehead]

Who are some FAs that would cost say < 850k who we should consider picking up or inviting to camp? Still some decent names out there on the forward side.

What's Jagr up to?

 

[Machinehead]

Kreider and Trocheck would be great with Enver Lisin.

They honestly have a chance to be one of those lines that just works as a line without "using up" much of the talent, like Howden-Stephenson-Stone or Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow.

They keep going back to Kreider and Zibanejad because it was good years ago, which is why they do all of their lines.

At this point, I don't love Kreider as a LW for Zibanejad, and to be quite honest, being centered by Zibanejad holds back our best 5v5 forward (sorry).

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Who are some FAs that would cost say < 850k who we should consider picking up or inviting to camp? Still some decent names out there on the forward side.

Wait for the Gauthier waiver claim?

 

[Gardner McKay]

Kreider and Trocheck would be great with Enver Lisin.

They honestly have a chance to be one of those lines that just works as a line without "using up" much of the talent, like Howden-Stephenson-Stone or Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow.

They keep going back to Kreider and Zibanejad because it was good years ago, which is why they do all of their lines.

At this point, I don't love Kreider as a LW for Zibanejad, and to be quite honest, being centered by Zibanejad holds back our best 5v5 forward (sorry).

This thread needs more Ofdacrossbar. That was his golden child.

 

[Boris Zubov]

My 2 cents (which no-one probably cares about) the goalies: you need good goaltending to win in the playoffs. Colorado run was an outlier, where they had BAD goaltending and still won. Usually, you need good goaltending. Binnington was good, Hill was good. Vasilevsky was obviously good.

With a great goalie, you are more likely to get that good goaltending. But good goaltending alone is not enough to carry you to a cup. It wasn't with Lundqvist, it wasn't and probably won't be with Shestyorkin. That said, I'm all in for holding on to Shesty as long as it makes financially sense. It probably won't when he's going to ask for 10mil on his next contract, and the cap is still not 100mil.

And also agree, centers are overrated. It's just easy to fall in the trap of overrating them because of faceoffs and defensive impact, and I do admit I tend to fall into that trap as well. But the biggest need is for a play-driving forward, who can create offence on his own. That player can be a winger, or a center, doesn't really matter. That's like 80% of the importance of a forward. It's just that centers are more visible in doing that extra work in defence and faceoffs, so they tend to be thought about as more important. But you need to look at the individual player to see what his impact on these two areas is. Nathan MacKinnon, most would argue is a top-3 center in this league. He takes roughly half of the faceoffs when playing with Landeskog. So is he a poor center, or is Landy just a good winger? Or do faceoffs really matter at all? We tend to think so, but stats probably show they don't.

I literally stopped reading after the first sentence when you say Colorado's run was an outlier, yet Vegas wins the following season with goalies who are worse than Kuemper.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Jovo’s uncle is actually my Father’s, Brother’s, Nephew’s, Cousin’s, Former roommate.

Did he see Ferris Bueller at 31 Flavors?

 

[LOFIN]

I literally stopped reading after the first sentence when you say Colorado's run was an outlier, yet Vegas wins the following season with goalies who are worse than Kuemper.

I didn't say Vegas had a good goaltender, I said they had good goaltending. There's a difference. Kuemper has been a good NHL goalie. Kuemper had the worst run of any Stanley Cup winning goalie since 1988.

See the difference?

 

[Boris Zubov]

I didn't say Vegas had a good goaltender, I said they had good goaltending. There's a difference. Kuemper has been a good NHL goalie. Kuemper had the worst run of any Stanley Cup winning goalie since 1988.

See the difference?

Correct. But not every team needs to pay a goalie $9M for the duration.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Panarin and Tarasenko had great chemistry, so immediately Gallant was like

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and broke them up after one game.

The first game after he breaks them up, Panarin scores 4 goals in a game we were outshot 67-4 and that was it for us having good line combos the rest of the year.

The Gallant Hire and it’s Consequences Have Been a Disaster for the Human Race

 

[IDvsEGO]

Correct. But not every team needs to pay a goalie $9M for the duration.

Sure but your mileage may vary.
You can luck out with a 3 million aav goalie. Or you can get 3 million dollars worth of goaltending.

The canes have tried this multiple times.

 

[LOFIN]

Correct. But not every team needs to pay a goalie $9M for the duration.

True as well.

Sure but your mileage may vary.
You can luck out with a 3 million aav goalie. Or you can get 3 million dollars worth of goaltending.

The canes have tried this multiple times.

TBH, I think their goaltending has been ”fine”. They just lack game breakers.

 

[Leonardo87]

Did he see Ferris Bueller at 31 Flavors?

My favorite quote and it’s been a life lesson for me..

“Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.”

 

[bernmeister]

You have to find the value by identifying a younger guy, projecting, and being right. Like we were with Zibanejad.



Conclusion:

We should stop trading away draft picks and instead start acquiring more of them.

where have I heard that before?

 

[Boris Zubov]

Sure but your mileage may vary.
You can luck out with a 3 million aav goalie. Or you can get 3 million dollars worth of goaltending.

The canes have tried this multiple times.

The reason the Canes haven't won the Cup is due to their lack of scoring up front, not subpar goaltending. Who scares you on that team besides Aho & Svech. And even those two aren't exactly Kariya & Selanne.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Maybe? But I'm talking in generalities. Obviously if we can't sign him for a number that works, then we can't sign him...

I would prefer to keep Shesterkin, but if his demand is out of range (I'm not sure what that range is; if he wants double digit million AAV, then the Rangers have a decision to make), then they have to move him. I'm not letting him walk out the door and get nothing in return. It's basic asset management.

 

[bernmeister]

I would prefer to keep Shesterkin, but if his demand is out of range (I'm not sure what that range is; if he wants double digit million AAV, then the Rangers have a decision to make), then they have to move him. I'm not letting him walk out the door and get nothing in return. It's basic asset management.

And if you wait til the last minute, you limit the # of suitors who can handle him at double digit salary
better to deal a year early and get better return than benefit from his production but a more flawed team

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Panarin and Tarasenko had great chemistry, so immediately Gallant was like

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and broke them up after one game.

The first game after he breaks them up, Panarin scores 4 goals in a game we were outshot 67-4 and that was it for us having good line combos the rest of the year.

HEYYYY YOUUUUUU GUYS!!!

 

[bhamill]

I would prefer to keep Shesterkin, but if his demand is out of range (I'm not sure what that range is; if he wants double digit million AAV, then the Rangers have a decision to make), then they have to move him. I'm not letting him walk out the door and get nothing in return. It's basic asset management.

Yeah. I agree.

 

[bhamill]

And if you wait til the last minute, you limit the # of suitors who can handle him at double digit salary
better to deal a year early and get better return than benefit from his production but a more flawed team

You try to extend him as early as you can and see what his number is. If it’s not a fit you deal him. Letting him walk would not be great.

 

[savebyrichter94]

HEYYYY YOUUUUUU GUYS!!!

His mother only dropped him once… maybe twice

 

[leetch99]

Panarin and Tarasenko had great chemistry, so immediately Gallant was like

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and broke them up after one game.

The first game after he breaks them up, Panarin scores 4 goals in a game we were outshot 67-4 and that was it for us having good line combos the rest of the year.

217 points , It is mid July . Have a good Summer....Turk is !

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The Gallant Hire and it’s Consequences Have Been a Disaster for the Human Race

I've been saying this for months. And while I never played hockey myself, I did play rugby at a very high level and I can recognise when a team is not good enough vs when a team is simply not tactically ready for a game. The latter was always the case under Gallant, and that same problem was visible in Vegas, Florida and as far back as his time in Columbus.

Gallant is a great coach to finish the season as an interim if you fire your head coach in December. Other than that, he doesn't have the tactical acumen to really perform at this level.

All these comments now coming out are not a surprise at all. The best players in the world still need a gameplan when they go out there and play. They still need set plays. Look at the Reinhart goal vs the Leafs in the play-offs where he got the puck back from Lundell and scored with a wrap around. TYPICAL set play.

The Rangers just did not have it.

What made it even more obvious (to me at least), is Panarin falling back on his set plays from his Chicago and Columbus days. We blame Panarin for the drop-passes leading to a turnover, but how much of that is because the other player is not in the right spot to receive that drop-pass? THAT is tactical. That is not individual.