Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[bleedblue94]

This was your response in a discussion about Laff:

And I'm supposed to assume your were talking about Kakko? Ok.

ha that response was directly to talking about kakko. i am not going to do the back and forth. i was never talking about laffy, kakko was literally named in the post prior. this is a stupid debate haha

 

[Filip Chytil]

The only trade that makes some sense for both teams is Nylander for Panarin

Rangers call up Jagr and sign him and have Jagr and Nylander all over again like it's 2005.

Make it happen, Chris!

 

[Machinehead]

Duchene is fine, I'm just not sure if he's much different. If you're getting a pure skill player, keep the better skill player in Panarin.

 

[Machinehead]

Rangers call up Jagr and sign him and have Jagr and Nylander all over again like it's 2005.

Make it happen, Chris!

51 year old Jagr is better than Lafreniere right now.

 

[NickyFotiu]

The Laf hate is so bad. 39 points as a third liner. This is what this organization has made this guy...a chip and chase, body banging third liner that they've now asked to stand in front of the net. Too many LWs on the roster. Does Drury have a plan to solve this?

I do not hate Laf at all. I have supported him all season and I still do. I'm just disappointed and it has nothing to do with points. People should stop putting so much emphasis on stats. Kane had 6 or 7 points in our playoffs. They can be so deceiving. I was disappointed in Laf's play. Nothing to do with points for me.

 

[Dijock94]

At this point where the salary cap and roster stand I think you have to move Goodrow. He’s just not worth his cap hit and we need every penny we can get.

Also if we could get Panarin to waive and someone to take his full cap hit I would move him for a bag of pucks. That 11.6 of cap space is invaluable. It would insulate us from offer sheets and also give us the opportunity to get potential long term value contracts done with Laf and Key.

 

[NYR Viper]

Duchene is fine, I'm just not sure if he's much different. If you're getting a pure skill player, keep the better skill player in Panarin.

Like almost all things we discuss here, it depends on other moving pieces. That ~$m in cap space could be very useful. Perhaps that allows Drury to go long term with Miller or go sign someone like O'Reilly or trade for a retained Garland?

It also depends on what Nashville would send. I have speculated picks as they have a boatload.

 

[Machinehead]

Goodrow is one of those players who scores a big goal in a tight game in November, and then he finds a way to score in a scrappy game in March where nobody else is doing anything, by like, going to the net or whatever, and you kind of just forget that those contributions were like 57 games apart.

 

[17futurecap]

Goodrow is one of those players who scores a big goal in a tight game in November, and then he finds a way to score in a scrappy game in March where nobody else is doing anything, by like, going to the net or whatever, and you kind of just forget that those contributions were like 57 games apart.

Counting playoffs, 3 goals in his last 47 games. Was the weak link of the 4th line getting buried all playoffs. Absolutely needs to go this summer.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think Goodrow is the type of guy who could go somewhere with an actual offensive zone structure and thrive again. By that I mean, 30-35 points and good 2-way play. While I didn't like him this season, I think his lack of high end skating or skill really put him on an island in Gallants 'system' where it was clear it was just 'go do stuff'

 

[bhamill]

Again, cap space is an asset.
Laffy is also going in the deal.
You are not getting value on the surface but I think that kind of deal saves some face, opens flexibility, and prevents you from a possible mess with laffy's contract this summer.

Just because there is not a clear view of where the money would be spent today doesn't mean that having the flexibility to make something wont be invaluable. and you bring up trying to make space for next summer, let me ask you this: do you think it would be easier to clear the salary this summer or next summer when panarin is a year older (almost 33) and multiple other teams will be looking to clear salary to go after those same players? it is smarter to do it now if you can.

Let's just say I'll be more surprised if Laf gets traded this off season than if you actually are on the team come opening night.

 

[bleedblue94]

Let's just say I'll be more surprised if Laf gets traded this off season than if you actually are on the team come opening night.

I'm not suggesting I think he's getting traded, but I don't think it's as far fetched as some here make it out to be.

 

[bhamill]

Duchene is fine, I'm just not sure if he's much different. If you're getting a pure skill player, keep the better skill player in Panarin.

Meshing with linemates is also a skill... I'm not a Panarin hater, but I think it's fair to say that if we value post season results more than regular season results I don't have much of an argument against trading him. The two questions are: Can we make the playoffs without him? And: Is the player we are getting more likely to help us get to the CUP? I think the first answer is YES. The second, of course, depends on who we'd be replacing him with.

 

[McRanger92]

Goodrow is one of those players who scores a big goal in a tight game in November, and then he finds a way to score in a scrappy game in March where nobody else is doing anything, by like, going to the net or whatever, and you kind of just forget that those contributions were like 57 games apart.

Goodrow was just a guy during his time here, they paid him because he won 2 Cups and was the easiest of the TB 3rd line to acquire. I do think the broken ankle and playing on it while it wasnt fully healed in the playoffs last year affected his game. The contract was designed to be easy to get out out of from the get go, so at the end of the day no harm no foul. But he is going to end up going to a good team next that can use him correctly and everyone will wonder why guys look better when they leave NY.

 

[bhamill]

I'm not suggesting I think he's getting traded, but I don't think it's as far fetched as some here make it out to be.

Fair enough. But I think this off season the odds are near zero. Simply because we will not get value and there is still that risk that he blossoms elsewhere.

 

[McRanger92]

I'm not suggesting I think he's getting traded, but I don't think it's as far fetched as some here make it out to be.

He's the least untouchable of anyone under 25 on the roster, I just dont see how it makes sense for the Rangers to deal him when they are cap strapped and he's at his lowest value. Even if people are right and hes just a 3rd liner, I'd love for someone to find me a 3rd liner on the trade/UFA market that can get you 40 points for sub 2.5m AAV.

 

[bleedblue94]

Fair enough. But I think this off season the odds are near zero. Simply because we will not get value and there is still that risk that he blossoms elsewhere.

that is the only reason i think he might still be here. his play, positional need, contract outlook, ect certainly does not point to him needing to stay here. the only reason he is still here is his draft position. outside of that he has no utility to this team or roster at this point which is incredibly sad

He's the least untouchable of anyone under 25 on the roster, I just dont see how it makes sense for the Rangers to deal him when they are cap strapped and he's at his lowest value. Even if people are right and hes just a 3rd liner, I'd love for someone to find me a 3rd liner on the trade/UFA market that can get you 40 points for sub 2.5m AAV.

agreed, but if they want to make a change, this is the easiest change to make to a roster that is completely landlocked. a complete mess. this is exactly what i warned about last summer when they signed trocheck and boxed them into this core...

 

[TheDirtyH]

Duchene is fine, I'm just not sure if he's much different. If you're getting a pure skill player, keep the better skill player in Panarin.

At least Duchene is fast.

 

[CLW]

I'm not suggesting I think he's getting traded, but I don't think it's as far fetched as some here make it out to be.

I'm certain it's not off the table. If Laf's agent is not asking for straight answers from Drury he's not doing his job. It cannot go on like this it's obvious to everyone. If Drury answered he wants to move Laf to RW I'd just laugh because that's just more of the same we've seen the last 3 years. Laffy was a ghost this playoffs (as Machinehead's numbers show), he was there physically but not mentally. Kakko and Chytil at least tried but that line was broken like all the others.

Drury has to resolve some of the issues with this team this summer (broken lines, Panarin, Laf, puck movement from D etc). If he limps into next season pretending everything is alright and the pieces will magically fall in place under the new coach then the rot will only grow.

I agree with bleedblue that signing Tro handcuffs Drury now. This means if he wants to make moves to balance the squad it's players like Laf (redundant?), Chytil (3rd behind Zib and Tro yet too similar in style), Schneider (locked behind Fox and Trouba) that are pieces with value to move, and Goodrow/Lindy for cap relief. A package with one of the kids along with a NMC vet should get things moving but those are not easy trades to pull off.

Chickens are coming home to roost for the Rangers.

 

[haohmaru]

I agree with bleedblue that signing Tro handcuffs Drury now. This means if he wants to make moves to balance the squad it's players like Laf (redundant?), Chytil (3rd behind Zib and Tro yet too similar in style), Schneider (locked behind Fox and Trouba) that are pieces with value to move, and Goodrow/Lindy for cap relief. A package with one of the kids along with a NMC vet should get things moving but those are not easy trades to pull off.

Chickens are coming home to roost for the Rangers.

Goodrow, yes.

Lindgren? No. You don't trade your 3M 1st pairing LD for "cap relief". That's terrible asset management.

Down the middle: Zib/Trocheck/Chytil/Brodzinski
Wings: Panarin/Kreider/Laf(2.3M)/Kakko/Vesey/Motte(1.2M)/Cuylle/Othmann
Defense: Lindgren/Fox/KAM(4.5M)/Trouba/Schneider/Jones/Harpur7D
G: Igor, Garand

Lafreniere needs to f***ing show something to have his agent barking about anything. He's a 3rd line LW on most teams he's traded to as well. He has little value other than his draft pedigree. Now is not the the time to move him or Chytil.

That's your starting lineup next year, under the cap, with someone possibly taking Brodzinski's spot as an affordable 4C UFA.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Goodrow, yes.

Lindgren? No. You don't trade your 3M 1st pairing LD for "cap relief". That's terrible asset management.

Down the middle: Zib/Trocheck/Chytil/Brodzinski
Wings: Panarin/Kreider/Laf(2.3M)/Kakko/Vesey/Motte(1.2M)/Cuylle/Othmann
Defense: Lindgren/Fox/KAM(4.5M)/Trouba/Schneider/Jones/Harpur7D
G: Igor, Garand

Lafreniere needs to f***ing show something to have his agent barking about anything. He's a 3rd line LW on most teams he's traded to as well. He has little value other than his draft pedigree. Now is not the the time to move him or Chytil.

That's your starting lineup next year, under the cap, with someone possibly taking Brodzinski's spot as an affordable 4C UFA.

I'm a big Lindy fan but I do not view him as a 1d guy on other teams.

 

[haohmaru]

I'm a big Lindy fan but I do not view him as a 1d guy on other teams.

He's our 1LD and he's cheap. Not a guy you move for the reason alone not to mention the other traits - great chemistry with Fox, warrior, heart and soul team first guy, stay at home D to compliment offensive D, etc...

 

[NickyFotiu]

He's our 1LD and he's cheap. Not a guy you move for the reason alone not to mention the other traits - great chemistry with Fox, warrior, heart and soul team first guy, stay at home D to compliment offensive D, etc...

I like Lindy but he is not a 1d in my opinion. I fear for him that all the bruises and injuries will take a toll at some point. I'm not nearly as high on Fox as the rest of the board either. Great on PP. Great at keeping the puck in the offensive zone but my compliments for Fox are rarely in his own zone. He skated like 32 year old Derek Stepan in his own zone in these playoffs. He is not Brian Leetch. I wish he was.

 

[Savant]

Duchene is fine, I'm just not sure if he's much different. If you're getting a pure skill player, keep the better skill player in Panarin.

Panarin also isn’t waiving for Nashville

I like Lindy but he is not a 1d in my opinion. I fear for him that all the bruises and injuries will take a toll at some point. I'm not nearly as high on Fox as the rest of the board either. Great on PP. Great at keeping the puck in the offensive zone but my compliments for Fox are rarely in his own zone. He skated like 32 year old Derek Stepan in his own zone in these playoffs. He is not Brian Leetch. I wish he was.

Adam Fox

Con: Isn’t Brian Leetch

Pro: Everything else



Very telling that no other NYR Dman is close to the this and they have three that were among the worst at it.

This is where the Rangers need to improve. Fox is the only one that isn’t terrible at this

 

[Machinehead]

Panarin also isn’t waiving for Nashville


Adam Fox

Con: Isn’t Brian Leetch

Pro: Everything else



Very telling that no other NYR Dman is close to the this and they have three that were among the worst at it.

This is where the Rangers need to improve. Fox is the only one that isn’t terrible at this

Everyone ahead of Fox in this graphic plays a fairly limited role.

Nobody puts up the analytics or the counting numbers that Fox does while being asked to play the role he does. Not just now; I can't remember anybody.

He's not Brian Leetch. He's not anybody. He's the first Adam Fox.