Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I wonder what he did

Likely seen the last of him in the NHL I would imagine

 

[RangersFan1994]

Likely seen the last of him in the NHL I would imagine

He most likely used that 3rd overall line as a way to get women to sleep with him and he slept with with wrong women

 

[MrAlmost]

I wonder what he did

Didnt he just sign that contract?

 

[RangersFan1994]

Didnt he just sign that contract?

Yea he did

 

[UnSandvich]

Tbh, I wouldn't necessarily mind Kane being added.

IF (and I can't stress this enough) and ONLY IF he and Panarin aren't put together. Those 2 did not work out together whatsoever, and they'd ignore Wayne Gretzky himself to play by themselves.

 

[cheech70]

The curious case of Patrick Kane's 2023 free agency

The future Hall of Famer has entered uncharted territory this summer -- with no new contract imminent. Here's what comes next for the 34-year-old.

www.espn.com

we have to be 1 of the favorite..Doc is in NY..he needs time...and according to his agent he is not looking for multi year deal till next season

 

[IDvsEGO]

The curious case of Patrick Kane's 2023 free agency

The future Hall of Famer has entered uncharted territory this summer -- with no new contract imminent. Here's what comes next for the 34-year-old.

www.espn.com

we have to be 1 of the favorite..Doc is in NY..he needs time...and according to his agent he is not looking for multi year deal till next season

Pass.
Let him get healthy on another teams dime.
We did the same thing with blais and it bit us hard.

 

[mas0764]

I would take Kane back because I'd rather Kane in our top 9 than Vesey or Goodrow, but I'm open to other ideas too.

 

[RGY]

Please don’t minimize Patrick Kane comparing him to Sammy Blais. Let’s not get to that part of the summer, like ever.

I would much rather bring in Kane or Tarasenko now in the offseason *if at a discount than pay in picks/prospects at the trade deadline because we need to upgrade Goodrow/Vesey in our Top 9.

 

[bhamill]

Please don’t minimize Patrick Kane comparing him to Sammy Blais. Let’s not get to that part of the summer, like ever.

I would much rather bring in Kane or Tarasenko now in the offseason *if at a discount than pay in picks/prospects at the trade deadline because we need to upgrade Goodrow/Vesey in our Top 9.

If we could get the STL version of Blais I'd take him in a heartbeat. Hahaha

 

[IDvsEGO]

Please don’t minimize Patrick Kane comparing him to Sammy Blais. Let’s not get to that part of the summer, like ever.

I would much rather bring in Kane or Tarasenko now in the offseason *if at a discount than pay in picks/prospects at the trade deadline because we need to upgrade Goodrow/Vesey in our Top 9.

I’m comparing the situation as both players were/are recovering from injuries.
We have no idea what post kane will look like.
Pre surgery kane was terrible.
Pre injury blais had a lot of people excited.
Kane is 34 years old. He’s not going to magically perform like he’s 24.

 

[bleedblue94]

For now, you've forgotten what it's like to be legit contenders.

in my view, we are not currently "legit contenders." maybe that is the separation here. we want to be but i don't feel we are

You never know with new coaching staffs. It's not as if he has been outstanding in his role. I'd just want to explore all options when it comes to guys not locked in to deals. Emberson being voted one of the best D in the AHL last season makes it at least a possibility.

The other is Robertson and based on those that follow and track the AHL, he improved quite a bit last season:



Robertson has what a lot of coaches want in a 3rd pairing type. Good size, decent mobility.

If this team is to get to another level, it is young players that will take them there. The big deals are all not moveable (based on clause or performance). The depth of the team is where changes can be made. It's also nice to know if injuries do happen (new head of medical staff), there might be younger options to explore.

and that is great for robertson and emberson, but schneider will be in the nhl next season whether it is in NYR or in another org due to a trade.

 

[bleedblue94]

I come after you because I disagree with so much that you post. It's so easy to GM from the couch. Ok fine, you wouldn't have signed Trocheck. You would be ok giving a still unproven Chytil 2C responsibilities and still have a gapping hole down the middle for a team coming off an ECF appearance? Trocheck was a fine signing and he had a good year and is their best FO guy. It's maybe a year or 2 longer than what may be ideal but the AAV is fine for a 2C. I would rather that than Strome for 5 mil. There didn't seem to be many viable options last summer either and stability and depth down the middle is important. Most contenders have a high portion of their cap tied up by a handful of players. It's not just a Rangers problem. Just look at the FA signings this year. Everybody is broke.

to me it is so funny how people can talk about how bad and useless strome was and then in the same space talk about a "gaping hole."

again lack of direction and vision to what this roster is and where it is going.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

to me it is so funny how people can talk about how bad and useless strome was and then in the same space talk about a "gaping hole."

again lack of direction and vision to what this roster is and where it is going.

Im not of the opinion that he was as bad as others think but he certainly wasn't the correct choice for the contract he was seeking. Trocheck is the far better player overall and yes there would have been a big hole down the middle if Chytil assumed 2C responsibilities.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

It’s obvious what’s happening with Kane

The team will bank space during the season and they’ll sign him mid season for cheap, and Drury might clear space next summer for something long term

His agent just told the world they have offers for more but are waiting. He’s posting rehab videos from Chelsea Piers so he’s staying in the city

I don’t want Patrick Kane on my team (cause f*** that guy) but it’s obvious what’s happening here

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Pass.
Let him get healthy on another teams dime.
We did the same thing with blais and it bit us hard.

It's not even comparable even on the injury front.

Blais had a procedure that most hockey players bounce back from with out a whole lot of issues. He had ample recovery time before last season started too.

Kane had one that no hockey player has bounced back from with out issues. IF hes looking to play next year, its going to be like right after his recovery window.

Doesn't mean that Kane is cooked but the track record is not favorable.

 

[bhamill]

to me it is so funny how people can talk about how bad and useless strome was and then in the same space talk about a "gaping hole."

again lack of direction and vision to what this roster is and where it is going.

Well it just means the gaping hole was basically there after AND before Strome walked. hahaha. Strome was just "uselessly" occupying the spot and resigning him would have continued that and ate cap.
We can argue the relative merits of Trocheck, but I think he's clearly better than Strome, a player like him was needed. Better him at 5.5 than Strome at 5. THAT signing is not the issue IMO. Trouba being overpaid by about 1.5mil and Panarin being overpaid by 3mil are way more problematic. And if not for the flat cap... all these issues would be less severe.

 

[huerter]

I would take Kane back because I'd rather Kane in our top 9 than Vesey or Goodrow, but I'm open to other ideas too.

stop line numbering

 

[bhamill]

It's not even comparable even on the injury front.

Blais had a procedure that most hockey players bounce back from with out a whole lot of issues. He had ample recovery time before last season started too.

Kane had one that no hockey player has bounced back from with out issues. IF hes looking to play next year, its going to be like right after his recovery window.

Doesn't mean that Kane is cooked but the track record is not favorable.

Blais completely blew out his knee. ACL and MCL, and not partials. He did not have ample recovery time before last season started by any stretch.

 

[Alluckks]

I want a 4th liner that can skate and PK.

Severely reducing or even completely eliminating both Zib and Kreider from the PK I think would do great for their ability down the stretch and in playoffs, as well as at 5v5 consistently.

Motte would fit. Others would too. Would need to be a vet for coaching trust.

 

[bhamill]

I want a 4th liner that can skate and PK.

Severely reducing or even completely eliminating both Zib and Kreider from the PK I think would do great for their ability down the stretch and in playoffs, as well as at 5v5 consistently.

Motte would fit. Others would too. Would need to be a vet for coaching trust.

I think we can substantially cut back their PK time and have players already on our roster pick up the slack.

 

[bleedblue94]

Guy from the Athletic. Murat Ates.

hmm, it is weird that he would say those things with some of the other things the same writer has said in the past about wheeler and such. i am not arguing with you about it, it just seems weird:

"I don’t expect Wheeler to retire, given his level of productivity. I don’t think the Jets would buy him out: Even though it would cost “just” $2.75 million for two seasons instead of Wheeler’s $8.25 million owed next year. I could be wrong — maybe the honour in that is Wheeler gets his freedom — but I don’t think the Jets would pay Wheeler $2.75 million not to play for them."

Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe they bring Wheeler back and he retires a Jet or signs somewhere else next summer. I think he’s been the defining figure of a chapter of franchise history with many joyous moments and some deep disappointments. I think it’s time for that chapter to come to an end."

good articles on wheeler and the jets by the same reporter:

Ates: Jets' taking captaincy from Blake Wheeler is a half-step risk

In Wheeler's case, the kindest thing Winnipeg could have done was to give their ex-captain a fresh start, rather than take his "C' from him.

theathletic.com

Jets mailbag: Culture issues? Trading veterans? Promoting prospects?

Murat Ates answers your Jets questions about James Patrick, Mark Scheifele, Blake Wheeler and more.

theathletic.com

it is just hard to see these kind of personalities change location and then just change bc of the new location, but maybe it will happen and work here

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Blais completely blew out his knee. ACL and MCL, and not partials. He did not have ample recovery time before last season started by any stretch.

Thats not completely blowing out your knee. He had 10 (11?) months post op. Thats more than enough time. He was skating while the Rangers were in the 2022 playoffs. Had he just torn his MCL, he wouldn't have even required surgery.

Things have changed, this isn't a 12 month injury anymore. Blais was already skating when the Rangers were in the 2022 playoffs.

Anyway the fact remains the same. Hockey players have a successful track record of bouncing back from ACL reconstruction. Though the sample size is way smaller, hip resurfacing is basically a big step towards retirement.

 

[bleedblue94]

Well it just means the gaping hole was basically there after AND before Strome walked. hahaha. Strome was just "uselessly" occupying the spot and resigning him would have continued that and ate cap.
We can argue the relative merits of Trocheck, but I think he's clearly better than Strome, a player like him was needed. Better him at 5.5 than Strome at 5. THAT signing is not the issue IMO. Trouba being overpaid by about 1.5mil and Panarin being overpaid by 3mil are way more problematic. And if not for the flat cap... all these issues would be less severe.

i am not a strome fan boy, but the constant theme i have seen when defending the trocheck signing is "he is better than strome." if strome is/was so bad than that would mean a lot of options would at least be "better than strome."

it isnt the greatest validation of a situation, and either way that contract remains the item that boxed this org into their current position.

it can in ways be argued that the ciderella run in 2022 has dilluted people into thinking this team is better than it is bc until trouba crushed crosby and domingue looked like the ahl goalie that he is most of the fan base saw this team a certain way. beyond that month this team and org has looked a lot of the same for a number of years, and i say that as someone that loved the run. is it possible copp was more important to the team and role he played than people gave him credit for? was he a sort of glue for the forward group? i dont know, but that month seems like more of an exception than the expectation for the team i have watched the last few years

Im not of the opinion that he was as bad as others think but he certainly wasn't the correct choice for the contract he was seeking. Trocheck is the far better player overall and yes there would have been a big hole down the middle if Chytil assumed 2C responsibilities.

yeah, we can agree that strome had no place here beyond that contract expiring.

it still blows my mind they kept negotiating with strome but never made copp an offer. crazy shit

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

it can in ways be argued that the ciderella run in 2022 has dilluted people into thinking this team is better than it is bc until trouba crushed crosby and domingue looked like the ahl goalie that he is most of the fan base saw this team a certain way. beyond that month this team and org has looked a lot of the same for a number of years, and i say that as someone that loved the run. is it possible copp was more important to the team and role he played than people gave him credit for? was he a sort of glue for the forward group? i dont know, but that month seems like more of an exception than the expectation for the team i have watched the last few years

You know what the 2022 run was?

It was Igor being great and having a top 9 that was mostly producing at(or above) expectations.

Optically? They were getting smoked (or at the very least, outplayed) on the ice almost every game but that matters less when guys are productive. Theres no delusion there, when your best players put up numbers, you have a pretty good chance of winning.

Even WITH them getting grossly outplayed, had Panarin been Panarin, they likely win the whole thing in 2022. Igor would have done enough to hold the fort while the Rangers lit up which ever clown the Avs threw in net.

I DO think that Copp fit better with Panarin than any player they've played with him. I'm with you on that.