Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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Anyone have any thoughts on now college UDFA Collin Graf? Led Quinnipiac to the National title. Right up there amongst the top scorers in the NCAA.

I understand that the ECAC isn’t the best league out there but you’d think someone would have used a later round flier on this kid.
 
scheiflelfele is a negative 800 defensive player. no thanks.
Winnipeg hasn't found a very good market for him. Hellebuyck is another tough guy to trade. The Calgary guys are still there. Conroy hasn’t found a very good market for his guys. Winnipeg was successful in moving Dubois but they didn't get back a big bonanza. The main guy in the trade has a history of back issues. They added another player making $4M to make the money work. Kupari had no spot in LA with all of their forwards. The trade market sucks ass.
 
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Why keep him then?
So he can be a Top 6 LW here? He is likely not going to be on PP1. Maybe he will. But what is the alternative? Trade him for who? They don’t have cap space to take on a contract that would be associated with a top 6 NHL vet to get proper value for him. Trade him for Picks? What are you getting for him right now? A 1st and a Top “Prospect”? Lafreniere is STILL a top Prospect. He is only 21 years old. Panarin’s contract is up in 3 years. Lafreniere is spoiled milk at age 24? Why are we being impatient here? Lafreniere is indeed progressing, just not at the expedited rate we were hoping. And we all know some of the factors. But the signs are there.

And although I don’t subscribe really to a Top 6 vs 3rd line anymore, I do see the shift coming where Kreider is on the “3rd Line” and the ES minutes start to be exchanged. Kreider will still get 12-14 ES minutes (while still getting his PP1 time) and Lafreniere will bump up to 15-18. Same goes for Trocheck and Chytil.

And like I have said, I don’t see an issue with bringing back Tarasenko/Kane. They can be RW2 and play PP2. Depending on who it is, Tarasenko can play at the point or Kane could be on the right half wall similar to how Zibanejad positions on the left half wall. These guys are coming in at discount prices. They are talent. If we had them all season last year we finish 1st in the Metro setting ourselves up better for the playoffs.

I would bring Motte back if he comes in at $800. Let Cuylle and Othmann marinate in Hartford. No need to rush them.

Panarin-Zib-Kakko
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kane/Tarasenko
Kreider-Trocheck-Wheeler
Motte-Goodrow-Vesey
Bonino/Pitlick

Miller-Fox
Lindgren-Trouba
Gustafsson-Schneider

That is a damn good lineup. You have depth in Hartford. Young hungry depth. We are in the perfect spot to be handing out these 1 year contracts to proven NHL vets like Wheeler and Kane. Those guys see the Rangers as a contender and are willing to do those deals. And meanwhile it allows us to let the young kids develop properly so they can be infused into the lineup in the coming years to keep the window open. You have your core and then next year its Cuylle and Othmann full time replacing Motte and Wheeler for example. Then year after that its Sykora/Bedard replacing Vesey. And so on.
 
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I'm really at a loss as to why people don't like the Gustafson signing. We all watched the same team in the playoffs, right? The team that was incapable of breaking out of their own zone and was sorely lacking another puck moving defensemen specifically on the third pair.

For 800k we got a guy who literally addresses the biggest need for the D corps in giving another capable puck mover and he can run PP2 instead of Trouba. He's not amazing defensively but at 800k with his specific skillset to me that's a home run signing. He's legitimately an upgrade over every single player we've trotted out at the 3LD in the last two seasons. Who cares if Toronto didn't play him? They acquired him as depth when Keefe already had his lineup set, if Dubas doesn't make that move then Sandin is the one sitting for them - would we all turn our nose up at Sandin because he didn't play in Toronto or would we look at that as a dumb coaching decision by a coach who loved Justin Holl the was Torts loved Girardi?

Ideally Jones takes steps this season and ends up overtaking Gustafson but now if Jones fizzles like he did last season we're not stuck with Ben Harpur playing 65 games.
I was saying all last season that we needed to be giving Jones a legitimate shot just for his PPQB skills alone. We might have slipped by NJ if we had a more competent PP2. Gallant was (for some reason) feeding that unit more minutes in the NJ series than they had seen all year, and it was completely putrid with Trouba running it. If Gus gives us a legitimate option for PP2, and helps with our transition game, I'm on board 100% with the signing.
 
So he can be a Top 6 LW here? He is likely not going to be on PP1. Maybe he will. But what is the alternative? Trade him for who? They don’t have cap space to take on a contract that would be associated with a top 6 NHL vet to get proper value for him. Trade him for Picks? What are you getting for him right now? A 1st and a Top “Prospect”? Lafreniere is STILL a top Prospect. He is only 21 years old. Panarin’s contract is up in 3 years. Lafreniere is spoiled milk at age 24? Why are we being impatient here? Lafreniere is indeed progressing, just not at the expedited rate we were hoping. And we all know some of the factors. But the signs are there.

And although I don’t subscribe really to a Top 6 vs 3rd line anymore, I do see the shift coming where Kreider is on the “3rd Line” and the ES minutes start to be exchanged. Kreider will still get 12-14 ES minutes (while still getting his PP1 time) and Lafreniere will bump up to 15-18. Same goes for Trocheck and Chytil.

And like I have said, I don’t see an issue with bringing back Tarasenko/Kane. They can be RW2 and play PP2. Depending on who it is, Tarasenko can play at the point or Kane could be on the right half wall similar to how Zibanejad positions on the left half wall. These guys are coming in at discount prices. They are talent. If we had them all season last year we finish 1st in the Metro setting ourselves up better for the playoffs.

I would bring Motte back if he comes in at $800. Let Cuylle and Othmann marinate in Hartford. No need to rush them.

Panarin-Zib-Kakko
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kane/Tarasenko
Kreider-Trocheck-Wheeler
Motte-Goodrow-Vesey
Bonino/Pitlick

Miller-Fox
Lindgren-Trouba
Gustafsson-Schneider

That is a damn good lineup. You have depth in Hartford. Young hungry depth. We are in the perfect spot to be handing out these 1 year contracts to proven NHL vets like Wheeler and Kane. Those guys see the Rangers as a contender and are willing to do those deals. And meanwhile it allows us to let the young kids develop properly so they can be infused into the lineup in the coming years to keep the window open. You have your core and then next year its Cuylle and Othmann full time replacing Motte and Wheeler for example. Then year after that its Sykora/Bedard replacing Vesey. And so on.
How are we affording Kane or senko? Even if they’re taking 1 million. We have 2.3 in space, and Laf is expected to take 2.1-2.2
Also kane looked cooked, him now adding hip surgery on top of that, I don’t want him.
Senko looked really good, but I can’t see him taking that kind of number.
And are we squeezing Laf? That seems like a decision that could really bite us.
 
What is the fascination with gustafsson?

He hasn't been good enough to actually lock down a role anywhere in this league. Nyr is team 7 in like 4 or 5 years? "Pretty good" players usually don't have that level of instability.

That is not what I said, go reread it.

I am so sick of people misquoting me...
That kinda looks like you are saying that he isn't good cause this is his 7th team in 5 years.

I think Gus and Jones are a good combo to have in the 6/7 slot. I like the defense going into the season more than last year and I like the forwards a lot more going into this season than last. I think we did a pretty good job of filling out the bottom of the lineup with cheap contracts that are all 1 year.

To be fair, we were yelling that we should get these players on minimum deals and spending money on the bottom end was stupid. Well we spent minimum on these players to fill it out and now that is wrong too?
 
Oh I see so you really can't answer the question but it's easier to just complain about it. Drury didn't sign Trouba, Kreider, or Panarin and he had to lock up Mika and Fox. He also either had to either pay Ryan Strome 5 mil a year or find a replacement. That left him in a difficult position to navigate a flat cap era that many other GM's had to deal with. The reality is very few contenders have any money.
you are borderline unhinged with how you keep trying to come after me. I answered your question, you just dont like the answer. I never would have signed trocheck to that contract that boxed the roster in with no flexibility, and i certainly would not have given him the NMC bc of the lack of flexibility. trocheck is a fine player but given the state of the cap, contracts and lack of space last summer it was the piece that boxed drury into the exact lack of flexibility that you are using to justify the moves this summer. we now have over 10m tied into two mid 6 centers without having a defined 2c on this roster. I have also been beyond clear that i think the org needs to do whatever they can to find a way to move panarin out of here for multiple reasons.

for a partner for schneider i would be looking for more of a steady d man since schneider clearly had issues last year with chaos on the ice. I dont think adding another chaos based d man is the right move to stabilize that pairing. nashville has been moving everything, would they move lauzon (ideal 3rd pairing guy that can pk and play both sides), nick blankenburg from columbus is a guy i would look for that role as well. given the cap this summer due to decisions last summer these are the kind of options that exist. the gusto slot really doesnt matter bc odds are that after the deadline he will be the 7th d man here, as i have said i dont care about the gusto signing, i think it is funny that people are just trying to ignore the warts on him and his history.

there are contenders that have made moves to get better and evolve their rosters, we are slowly going down the route of the leafs (under dubas) which was completely boxing yourself into a core financially and then constantly trying to plug mercenary types into the roster around these unmovable contracts.

60% of the cap ties into kreider torcheck zib panarin, trouba, fox. add igor and almost 67% tied up. if you make that decidsion than you damn well better commit to developing your elite young talent to backfill around them. if you dont want to commit to developing that young talent then you need roster flexibility instead of handing out nmc/ntc to virtually everyone that makes any sort of significant money around here. ironically the only guy with a big ticket that doesnt have a clause at this time is fox
 
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That kinda looks like you are saying that he isn't good cause this is his 7th team in 5 years.

I think Gus and Jones are a good combo to have in the 6/7 slot. I like the defense going into the season more than last year and I like the forwards a lot more going into this season than last. I think we did a pretty good job of filling out the bottom of the lineup with cheap contracts that are all 1 year.

To be fair, we were yelling that we should get these players on minimum deals and spending money on the bottom end was stupid. Well we spent minimum on these players to fill it out and now that is wrong too?
i am saying he isnt good bc he plays at times like it is beer league in the sense that he is high risk high reward which is not what we need pairing with schneider at this time. we need a stablizing guy there. i dont hate gusto, i just dont think he fits the role that we need. then people started defending the signing saying he is much better than other say and his d issues are overblown which they are not. with his offensive talent if he had any sense of stability to his game he would be a 2nd pair puck mover for some contenders, his entire career has been as a journeyman who has been unable to lock down a long term roll on any team. he isnt 25 trying to find his place in the league, he is 31 now and has never in his career been able to earn a contract longer than 2 years in term. I also think it is very likely (not a given) that jones will not be on the nyr roster when camp breaks. it makes no sense to carry two of the same d man to rotate and alternate. i would suspect harpur will be the one that keep for the 7 role. drury seems to have a liking for him. i think it is just their way to keep a tough guy on the nhl roster for games they think they might need him, although i think it is a silly way to handle that at this point.
 
I didn't say you hated him but you did say you don't think he is a good fit for this roster among other FA signings. I'm simply asking you what moves would you have made to better complete the roster from the players that were available and 7 million in cap space.
again, words in my mouth. i did say he was not a good fit for the roster, i never said their were better fa fits out there. that is part of the issue with the org, they look at the fa market and cannot seem to identify talent buried in other orgs that they can give an opportunity to, yet somehow other orgs manage to do it. the last player nyr found somewhere that blosomed to contribute beyond expectations was probably erik christensen, and perhaps with where strome's career was at the time he would count as well based on what he provided here for a few years (and yet i am happy he is gone).
 
Don’t waste you time, some folks focus on criticizing the ideas from others without have the courage to offer up their own for the same level of scrutiny.
hilariously passive aggressive.

what ideas of others am i criticizing other than drury and the org here?

and i have offered up ideas, i am just not going to keep reposting them everytime someone else comes in to butt heads bc they want to drink the organizational koolaid that has accomplished virtually nothing over the past 2+ decades aside from having a first ballot hall of famers drag the franchise on his back and then have one unexpected playoff run with another franchise goalie having another incredible season (except for the pitt series). this org continues to spin its tires in mediocracy.
 
“Nyr is team 7 in like 4 or 5 years? "Pretty good" players usually don't have that level of instability.”

Jágr played on 6 teams in 6 years. He’s “pretty good”.

You weren’t “misquoted” at all, bud.
my apologies, but let's use the full quote eh:

"He hasn't been good enough to actually lock down a role anywhere in this league. Nyr is team 7 in like 4 or 5 years? "Pretty good" players usually don't have that level of instability."

are you suggesting that jagr wasnt able to lock down a role anywhere in the league? i think his role was pretty clear and he made the CHOICE to move around to many of those teams. most of those offseasons he was in demand and got to pick where he wanted to go.

comparing gusto to jagr is silly.
 
How are we affording Kane or senko? Even if they’re taking 1 million. We have 2.3 in space, and Laf is expected to take 2.1-2.2
Also kane looked cooked, him now adding hip surgery on top of that, I don’t want him.
Senko looked really good, but I can’t see him taking that kind of number.
And are we squeezing Laf? That seems like a decision that could really bite us.
The Rangers can bring down the roster to 21 and should have enough to bring back Kane around $2 million. If Tarasenko is willing to sign for that then he could be an option. But I see it being Kane. And i see it happening after the season starts. They would just need to buy time for 2-3 months.
 
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Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Chytil - Tarasenko/Kane
Kreider - Trocheck - Wheeler
Cuylle/Othmann - Bonino - Vesey

Miller - Fox
Lindgren - Trouba
Gustaffson/Jones - Schneider

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That's what I'd be looking to do. No first round rentals at the deadline. Goodrow moved out and either Tarasenko or Kane brought in. I'd also consider a guy like Connor Garland if he shook loose but that seems unlikely now.

You hope that new coaches, new system, and a new lineup mixture improves the 5v5 staleness. Get good playoff matchups and you might be able to win a Cup.
 
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Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Chytil - Tarasenko/Kane
Kreider - Trocheck - Wheeler
Cuylle/Othmann - Bonino - Vesey

Miller - Fox
Lindgren - Trouba
Gustaffson/Jones - Schneider

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That's what I'd be looking to do. No first round rentals at the deadline. Goodrow moved out and either Tarasenko or Kane brought in. I'd also consider a guy like Connor Garland if he shook loose but that seems unlikely now.

You hope that new coaches, new system, and a new lineup mixture improves the 5v5 staleness. Get good playoff matchups and you might be able to win a Cup.
While cuylle could develop on the 4th, I don’t think Othmann would. He’s a guy who you want to develop into a high end offensive talent. Let him first figure it out against ahl guys, jump into a middle 6 spot, not a 4th line.

Kane is slow, he’s a bad choice to add here, because you’re taking a gamble that he’s not gonna continue falling off a cliff, and that’s a bad gamble.
 
There's still decent players out there. I wouldn't mind adding another player for depth

If Tank signs for 1 year 1M, you have to take him at that. I think there's 1.2-1.3M available if we sign Laffy at 2.5M. Jones as the 6/7D and Pitlick as the 13F. I'd run 12 Forwards but that's a different conversation

At the TDL the kids will be the 'additions'... or that's the hope. Cuylle, Othmann, Sykora Robertson, Scanlin etc.

Panarin Zibs Kakko
Kreider Trocheck Tank
Laffy Chytil Wheeler
Goodrow Bonino Vesey
Pitlick

Lindgren Fox
KAM Trouba
Gus Schneider
Jones
 
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laffy zib kakko
panarin chytil comtoise
kreider torcheck wheeler
goodrow bonino vesey

reality will be

kreider zib wheeler/kakko
panarin trocheck/chytil wheeler/kakko
laffy chytil/trocheck vesey
cuylle bonino goodrow
 
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my apologies, but let's use the full quote eh:

"He hasn't been good enough to actually lock down a role anywhere in this league. Nyr is team 7 in like 4 or 5 years? "Pretty good" players usually don't have that level of instability."

are you suggesting that jagr wasnt able to lock down a role anywhere in the league? i think his role was pretty clear and he made the CHOICE to move around to many of those teams. most of those offseasons he was in demand and got to pick where he wanted to go.

comparing gusto to jagr is silly.

Meh. Towards the end he signed with whoever wanted him. My point was that there are players that move around a lot that are “pretty good” players. It’s not necessarily indicative of whether or not a player sucks. That’s all.
 
laffy zib kakko
panarin chytil comtoise
kreider torcheck wheeler
goodrow bonino vesey

reality will be

kreider zib wheeler/kakko
panarin trocheck/chytil wheeler/kakko
laffy chytil/trocheck vesey
cuylle bonino goodrow
I fear they have Goodrow in the top9, or at least Drury does.. No way you keep a 4th liner at 3.6M
 
BTW, @bleedblue94, I’d give Vince’s podcast that’s up this morning a listen. They had a Jets guy on talking about Wheeler. He thinks his work ethic will affect the room positively and the fact that he’s no longer “the guy” has also helped. He acknowledged that he’s slowed down a bit and would ideally slot 6-9 and on the PP.

Hopefully LaF can figure it out on RW. That would be ideal.
 
Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Chytil - Tarasenko/Kane
Kreider - Trocheck - Wheeler
Cuylle/Othmann - Bonino - Vesey

Miller - Fox
Lindgren - Trouba
Gustaffson/Jones - Schneider

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That's what I'd be looking to do. No first round rentals at the deadline. Goodrow moved out and either Tarasenko or Kane brought in. I'd also consider a guy like Connor Garland if he shook loose but that seems unlikely now.

You hope that new coaches, new system, and a new lineup mixture improves the 5v5 staleness. Get good playoff matchups and you might be able to win a Cup.
move on from Kane. He's not what we need..,.. unless Panarin is out loooong term, I really dont like that add.
 
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