Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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the leafs chose not to dress him in the playoffs, and then only really did when they went to 7 d men. my understanding is he was healthy for the playoffs.

and there is absolutely no way that any gm in the league would take gustafsson over hague, that is absolutely comical. more of the classic "points" over "player" stuff that we should be use to around here at this point.


maybe we were, but the player has to want to come to a city as well. NYC is not for everyone.
And again you are upset over a guy that can run a PP, scored 43 points(points do matter), and was signed for 1 yr 800k for a 6/7 type role. I would rather have him and Jones in those spots than the human tree known as Harpur. Why do you get your panties in a bunch when the Rangers sign some cheap vets to good value, short term contracts for obvious positions of need?
 
He was definitely banged up going in.

The only reason why Hauge gets chosen over him is because hes young and has room for growth. Hes not really good at all right now. Doesn't mean that he won't be but his only real strength right now is that he's long AF. Thats it.

If we're talking about who the better player was last season, its not even a competition.

But this feeds into my point. They're bottom pairing players. If they were better they would play higher in the line up and for what the cost is and the fact that he's actually pretty good given that role, I'm not sure what the issue is.

I would have rather had him than Mikkola.
a lot of guys are banged up, but that is different than unable to play. he was healthy enough to play. everyone is banged up at the end of the year. hague plays on the 3rd pair because the guys ahead of him were playing like studs and his team just won the cup, gusto wasnt even dressing behind a 39 giordano, brodie who looks like a turnstile in the playoffs, and holl who struggled most of the playoffs, ect. i dont think the situations are comparable at all. gusto is 31 and boxed in as a 6/7 on any good team. hague is 24 and has been playing behind a legit and well filled/rounded top 4. he could play in the top 4 for several teams easily at this point, so could whitecloud whom you also claimed gusto is better than.

regarding mikkola it is all about role. you cant sit and say i would rather have the offensive defenseman who struggles in his own zone and does pk over the offensively limited defenseman that can pk and move around the top 6 as needed but cant create offense without first defining the role you are looking to fill. that is the entire issue with the roster construction here to begin with
 
And again you are upset over a guy that can run a PP, scored 43 points(points do matter), and was signed for 1 yr 800k for a 6/7 type role. I would rather have him and Jones in those spots than the human tree known as Harpur. Why do you get your panties in a bunch when the Rangers sign some cheap vets to good value, short term contracts for obvious positions of need?
and again...

do you think he scores 43 points as a 6/7 guy here? if not then that point total is irrelevant bc the ROLE here is different

I dont want gusto, jones or harpur, I have no idea why you are trying to justify him since he is the least bad of a group of bad options

it isnt about signing vets, i am NOT any vet. I am anti round peg for a square hole. We go and sign names and flair when sometimes the role needs a different TYPE of player. you keep bring up that gusto can run a pp, how does that help this team? fox is going to get damn close to the full 2 mins on all the pps bc he is that guy, what we need are guys that can take the 5v5 load and ALL the pk load away from fox so he can play to his strengths 173 minutes if pk time last year that fox should never need to bother playing if we have the correct other pieces on the roster.
 
a lot of guys are banged up, but that is different than unable to play. he was healthy enough to play. everyone is banged up at the end of the year. hague plays on the 3rd pair because the guys ahead of him were playing like studs and his team just won the cup, gusto wasnt even dressing behind a 39 giordano, brodie who looks like a turnstile in the playoffs, and holl who struggled most of the playoffs, ect. i dont think the situations are comparable at all. gusto is 31 and boxed in as a 6/7 on any good team. hague is 24 and has been playing behind a legit and well filled/rounded top 4. he could play in the top 4 for several teams easily at this point, so could whitecloud whom you also claimed gusto is better than.

regarding mikkola it is all about role. you cant sit and say i would rather have the offensive defenseman who struggles in his own zone and does pk over the offensively limited defenseman that can pk and move around the top 6 as needed but cant create offense without first defining the role you are looking to fill. that is the entire issue with the roster construction here to begin with

No I actually like Whitecloud. Hauge sucks right now though.

Also I wouldn't let a coaches usage really dictate a players worth. How many years of Girardi and Staal in the top 4 over better players did we witness here?

In terms of roster construction, this was a great signing so I'm not sure why you're so up in arms about people being happy about a move that a. filled a need (and a big one), b. cost very little money and c. has some upside seeing as how this is a player (who under our new coach) is coming off of a pretty strong season where he was forced into a bigger role than he should have been playing in and STILL managed to perform well in said role.

No one is penciling him onto the top pair or PP1.
 
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Meh. You keep assuming Lafreniere can adjust and play RW. He has enough trouble being a top six LW. It’s a leap of faith I guess.
Any winger can adjust to playing the opposite side. It's just a question of how long it's going to take for them to become comfortable, and what aspects of their play style need to be adjusted. Playing his off wing, Laf would be expected to shoot a lot more and make himself a threat. Personally, I think his game lacks the killer instinct he had in juniors, so it might not be a bad thing to inject some aggression by having him shoot and attack the net more often.
 
Any winger can adjust to playing the opposite side. It's just a question of how long it's going to take for them to become comfortable, and what aspects of their play style need to be adjusted. Playing his off wing, Laf would be expected to shoot a lot more and make himself a threat. Personally, I think his game lacks the killer instinct he had in juniors, so it might not be a bad thing to inject some aggression by having him shoot and attack the net more often.

Yes, and no. Any winger can adjust, but it doesn’t mean they’re gonna be any good at it and defending with your backhand against the boards is far more difficult than with your forehand - not everybody can do it. At least not well.
 
and again...

do you think he scores 43 points as a 6/7 guy here? if not then that point total is irrelevant bc the ROLE here is different

I dont want gusto, jones or harpur, I have no idea why you are trying to justify him since he is the least bad of a group of bad options

it isnt about signing vets, i am NOT any vet. I am anti round peg for a square hole. We go and sign names and flair when sometimes the role needs a different TYPE of player. you keep bring up that gusto can run a pp, how does that help this team? fox is going to get damn close to the full 2 mins on all the pps bc he is that guy, what we need are guys that can take the 5v5 load and ALL the pk load away from fox so he can play to his strengths 173 minutes if pk time last year that fox should never need to bother playing if we have the correct other pieces on the roster.
And again you are forgetting the very important fact that we had very little cap space to work with. Mikkola got 2.5 per for 3 years. We didn't have that money. Gus played OK for Lavy and it's obvious he wanted him here again and for 1 year 800k who's to argue, except for you of course. No, he's not going to score 43 points in a 6/7 type role but he can run a PP when called upon and maybe under Lavy Fox won't be running every single PP for 2 minutes. Trouba was not a good second option running the PP and I think Gus will at least give the team more options and depth. Small upgrades and more options is ok in my book.
 
He was definitely banged up going in.

The only reason why Hauge gets chosen over him is because hes young and has room for growth. Hes not really good at all right now. Doesn't mean that he won't be but his only real strength right now is that he's long AF. Thats it.

If we're talking about who the better player was last season, its not even a competition.

But this feeds into my point. They're bottom pairing players. If they were better they would play higher in the line up and for what the cost is and the fact that he's actually pretty good given that role, I'm not sure what the issue is.

I would have rather had him than Mikkola.
It's not because he's young, it's because he's 6'6" lol
 
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Who knows? There are some players that DON'T want the bright lights, big city and pressure. Or just want to be somewhere else, especially if it's a return to a team they were already on and are comfortable with. Might have been league min for St Louis and 1.2mil for everyone else...
Some players in all sports want nothing to do with city life no matter what especially if they have young kids. I wouldn't live in NYC no matter what the price. Just my personal preference. Not an insult to NYC. My sister on the otherhand loved living in Manhattan.
 
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No I actually like Whitecloud. Hauge sucks right now though.

Also I wouldn't let a coaches usage really dictate a players worth. How many years of Girardi and Staal in the top 4 over better players did we witness here?

In terms of roster construction, this was a great signing so I'm not sure why you're so up in arms about people being happy about a move that a. filled a need (and a big one), b. cost very little money and c. has some upside seeing as how this is a player (who under our new coach) is coming off of a pretty strong season where he was forced into a bigger role than he should have been playing in and STILL managed to perform well in said role.

No one is penciling him onto the top pair or PP1.
I'm not going to bother copy and pasting. The responses are the same, and the hyperbole of "up in arms" is getting old. I'm not up in arms, I just don't feel these players are the right players for the roles that need to be filled for an org focused on playoff success. We will see what happens in May. I hope I'm wrong.

Huh
 
And again you are forgetting the very important fact that we had very little cap space to work with. Mikkola got 2.5 per for 3 years. We didn't have that money. Gus played OK for Lavy and it's obvious he wanted him here again and for 1 year 800k who's to argue, except for you of course. No, he's not going to score 43 points in a 6/7 type role but he can run a PP when called upon and maybe under Lavy Fox won't be running every single PP for 2 minutes. Trouba was not a good second option running the PP and I think Gus will at least give the team more options and depth. Small upgrades and more options is ok in my book.
I'm not forgetting anything. I hate the way this roster is constructed and how the money is allocated. I'm not sitting here saying everything is rosey and they should add an elite played for 3ld. The roster and allocation of money is flawed, and as posted small things such as eliminating 170+mins of pk time for fox and allowing him to focus his energies for the offense (which is his strength) is better than signing and using a roster slot for an offensive d man in my opinion. I love small upgrades, but I've consistently been focused on players for roles on this roster and finding the types that fit needs vs the guys who get the most points. People act like this team was bottom 20 percent in offense generated, it wasn't. Everyone is just focused on point generation. A lot of great point producers have historically had role players with them that did the dirty work and went to areas to open lanes for their talented linemates. I'm not anti gusto, I'm just not in love with how the org is chosing to fill the holes.

It's not because he's young, it's because he's 6'6" lol
Nah, hague affects the game more come playoff time. Gusto is a worse version of John Klingberg.
 
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I'm not forgetting anything. I hate the way this roster is constructed and how the money is allocated. I'm not sitting here saying everything is rosey and they should add an elite played for 3ld. The roster and allocation of money is flawed, and as posted small things such as eliminating 170+mins of pk time for fox and allowing him to focus his energies for the offense (which is his strength) is better than signing and using a roster slot for an offensive d man in my opinion. I love small upgrades, but I've consistently been focused on players for roles on this roster and finding the types that fit needs vs the guys who get the most points. People act like this team was bottom 20 percent in offense generated, it wasn't. Everyone is just focused on point generation. A lot of great point producers have historically had role players with them that did the dirty work and went to areas to open lanes for their talented linemates. I'm not anti gusto, I'm just not in love with how the org is chosing to fill the holes.


Nah, hague affects the game more come playoff time. Gusto is a worse version of John Klingberg.
So instead of complaining about nearly every signing that they made in FA which players would you have gone after with the 7 million or so that they had to work with?
 
So instead of complaining about nearly every signing that they made in FA which players would you have gone after with the 7 million or so that they had to work with?
Pump breaks first. I initially did not complain about gusto. I flat out didn't. Go to the first page of the thread. I laughed bc when Jones signed people were saying he was going to possibly be paired w trouba on the second pair and then gusto gets signed and Jones is prob getting waived. Then when gusto loved started I simply asked why and suddenly that becomes I hate gusto bc I'm not drinking Kool aid that this 31 year old journeyman might not be what some are suggesting and that means I hate him. I'm not going to keep being pitted to defend things I didn't say.

As for the 7m, I never would have been in this spot. last summer I criticized the way it was handled bc at the time I said it meant the org completely boxed itself into the roster they have going forward w all the clauses and money tied up. I took shit all summer for it and then the roster fells on its face last season.
 
Pump breaks first. I initially did not complain about gusto. I flat out didn't. Go to the first page of the thread. I laughed bc when Jones signed people were saying he was going to possibly be paired w trouba on the second pair and then gusto gets signed and Jones is prob getting waived. Then when gusto loved started I simply asked why and suddenly that becomes I hate gusto bc I'm not drinking Kool aid that this 31 year old journeyman might not be what some are suggesting and that means I hate him. I'm not going to keep being pitted to defend things I didn't say.

As for the 7m, I never would have been in this spot bc last summer I criticized the way it was handled bc at the time I said it meant the org completely boxed itself into the roster they have going forward w all the clauses and money tied up. I took shit all summer for it and then the roster falls on its face
I didn't say you hated him but you did say you don't think he is a good fit for this roster among other FA signings. I'm simply asking you what moves would you have made to better complete the roster from the players that were available and 7 million in cap space.
 
Can someone explain the general ciseness to pairing Chytil with Panarin. I can see the synergy between those two not at all.
I have no idea wtf you mean by ciseness, but the reason alot of people want to try chytil with panarin, is that alot of people have seen them have solid results in a small sample size, want to see if chytil can take even one more step.
Chytil has taken almost every opportunity and run with it, so seeing what 40 games with panarin can do.
Adding speed to panarin, and chytil is a willing shooter.
 
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Pump breaks first. I initially did not complain about gusto. I flat out didn't. Go to the first page of the thread. I laughed bc when Jones signed people were saying he was going to possibly be paired w trouba on the second pair and then gusto gets signed and Jones is prob getting waived. Then when gusto loved started I simply asked why and suddenly that becomes I hate gusto bc I'm not drinking Kool aid that this 31 year old journeyman might not be what some are suggesting and that means I hate him. I'm not going to keep being pitted to defend things I didn't say.

As for the 7m, I never would have been in this spot. last summer I criticized the way it was handled bc at the time I said it meant the org completely boxed itself into the roster they have going forward w all the clauses and money tied up. I took shit all summer for it and then the roster fells on its face last season.
Oh I see so you really can't answer the question but it's easier to just complain about it. Drury didn't sign Trouba, Kreider, or Panarin and he had to lock up Mika and Fox. He also either had to either pay Ryan Strome 5 mil a year or find a replacement. That left him in a difficult position to navigate a flat cap era that many other GM's had to deal with. The reality is very few contenders have any money.
 
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Oh I see so you really can't answer the question but it's easier to just complain about it. Drury didn't sign Trouba, Kreider, or Panarin and he had to lock up Mika and Fox. He also either had to either pay Ryan Strome 5 mil a year or find a replacement. That left him in a difficult position to navigate a flat cap era that many other GM's had to deal with. The reality is very few contenders have any money.
Don’t waste you time, some folks focus on criticizing the ideas from others without have the courage to offer up their own for the same level of scrutiny.
 
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Can someone explain the general ciseness to pairing Chytil with Panarin. I can see the synergy between those two not at all.
If I understand it correctly, it's because staying cissed means you basically have to pair a player marked as 'C' with a players marked as 'W'; this is known as "cis-normal".
In the past, NYR have attempted to be cissed by trying Panarin (W) with Zib (C) and Trocheck (C), but despite this appearing to create cis on paper, it didn't result in expected cis-normal outcomes.
Due to Drury's inability to maintain the level of C cis-ness combinations required, Chytil (C) is basically the only option left to try with Panarin while maintaining cis-normal status across the roster.

:skeptic:what the f*** did i just write? :help:
 
If I understand it correctly, it's because staying cissed means you basically have to pair a player marked as 'C' with a players marked as 'W'; this is known as "cis-normal".
In the past, NYR have attempted to be cissed by trying Panarin (W) with Zib (C) and Trocheck (C), but despite this appearing to create cis on paper, it didn't result in expected cis-normal outcomes.
Due to Drury's inability to maintain the level of C cis-ness combinations required, Chytil (C) is basically the only option left to try with Panarin while maintaining cis-normal status across the roster.

:skeptic:what the f*** did i just write? :help:
What in the hell?
 
I know there’s no cap around the league except bottom feeding teams mostly but man Rangers could’ve signed 4 guys and still came out less than Goodrow is getting. Geez
 
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