Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[mas0764]

I fear they have Goodrow in the top9, or at least Drury does.. No way you keep a 4th liner at 3.6M

ugh

 

[JimmyG89]

He was a 10.2C player. Really do wonder how he fits into their plans. Would like to see him and Schneider compete for the 3rd RHD spot, especially since Schneider can be sent to the A without waivers before 9 games.

 

[duhmetreE]

For people who've watched Scanlin, can he move the puck? He could be a dark horse candidate

 

[bleedblue94]

That kinda looks like you are saying that he isn't good cause this is his 7th team in 5 years.

I think Gus and Jones are a good combo to have in the 6/7 slot. I like the defense going into the season more than last year and I like the forwards a lot more going into this season than last. I think we did a pretty good job of filling out the bottom of the lineup with cheap contracts that are all 1 year.

To be fair, we were yelling that we should get these players on minimum deals and spending money on the bottom end was stupid. Well we spent minimum on these players to fill it out and now that is wrong too?

I havent been on the side of filling out with min deals, i have been on the side roster flexibility and structuring so you had money to take advatage of things. cap space is an asset. i am not saying that in the vane of dont sign anyone, but the way the roster is boxed in basically locks the entire thing in with no opportunity for any meaningful change/adjustment.

He was a 10.2C player. Really do wonder how he fits into their plans. Would like to see him and Schneider compete for the 3rd RHD spot, especially since Schneider can be sent to the A without waivers before 9 games.

schneider is a lock to be in the nhl, he isnt going to the ahl...

 

[GAGLine]

Well you can at 775k
It just blocks Othmaan and Cuylee from a spot if earned
The spare is Belize , Brodz or Nash right now likely

Why would that block them any more than any other player we've signed? If they really earn a spot, they'll get it, but both are probably better served in the AHL.

 

[bleedblue94]

BTW, @bleedblue94, I’d give Vince’s podcast that’s up this morning a listen. They had a Jets guy on talking about Wheeler. He thinks his work ethic will affect the room positively and the fact that he’s no longer “the guy” has also helped. He acknowledged that he’s slowed down a bit and would ideally slot 6-9 and on the PP.

Hopefully LaF can figure it out on RW. That would be ideal.

do you know who the beat was? I have heard SEVERAL people in winnepeg and around canadian media say they think wheeler needed to go to a team with a culture bc his personality will eventually rise to the top if it is not contained in a certain type of room. I HOPE wheeler works here, i am just skeptical bc of his personality and the role he will inevitably be put into. and to clarify i measure "success" in more than just points, results matter but how you got there matters too. i want a team that is ready and built for playoff success. i just dont see that personally but i do hope i am wrong.

 

[RangerBoy]

For internal growth to happen. There needs to be internal opportunity.

 

[IDvsEGO]

do you know who the beat was? I have heard SEVERAL people in winnepeg and around canadian media say they think wheeler needed to go to a team with a culture bc his personality will eventually rise to the top if it is not contained in a certain type of room. I HOPE wheeler works here, i am just skeptical bc of his personality and the role he will inevitably be put into. and to clarify i measure "success" in more than just points, results matter but how you got there matters too. i want a team that is ready and built for playoff success. i just dont see that personally but i do hope i am wrong.

I can’t see Trouba being excited about bringing him in if it wasn’t a net positive.
I have a lot of complaints about trouba last season, but his leadership wasn’t one of them.

 

[B17 Apricots]

I have no clue what the remaining free agents will get, theres still a handful of teams that can give guys like Tarasenko and Tatar deals that aren't league minimum but it'd be nice to see Drury try to get Motte or Heinen for peanuts to push guys like Pitlick and Belzile off the starting roster. Heinen is a legitimately good NHLer

 

[bleedblue94]

I can’t see Trouba being excited about bringing him in if it wasn’t a net positive.
I have a lot of complaints about trouba last season, but his leadership wasn’t one of them.

I agree about Trouba as a captain and his leadership. I also recognize that being "okay" with something can be swung in the media to "excited about him coming here."

They also havent been in a room together in 4 years. it will be interesting to see the change in dynamic with trouba being in wheeler's room vs wheeler now being in trouba's room.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Speaking of Motte, I hope Cuylle grabs a spot and sticks.

Rather sign Nosek for more depth who is a much better player than Motte, Pitlick and Belzle combined

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If Motte was willing to sign for that amount it would have been done

He’s not coming back

 

[haohmaru]

do you know who the beat was? I have heard SEVERAL people in winnepeg and around canadian media say they think wheeler needed to go to a team with a culture bc his personality will eventually rise to the top if it is not contained in a certain type of room. I HOPE wheeler works here, i am just skeptical bc of his personality and the role he will inevitably be put into. and to clarify i measure "success" in more than just points, results matter but how you got there matters too. i want a team that is ready and built for playoff success. i just dont see that personally but i do hope i am wrong.

Guy from the Athletic. Murat Ates.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[mti79]

I can’t see Trouba being excited about bringing him in if it wasn’t a net positive.
I have a lot of complaints about trouba last season, but his leadership wasn’t one of them.

This. There is no way that Drury brings in wheeler without clearing out with Trouba. If our captain was on board with it, then I have no reason to think he'll be a issue in the locker room.

 

[Vitto79]

Why would that block them any more than any other player we've signed? If they really earn a spot, they'll get it, but both are probably better served in the AHL.

Who’s waived ? They have 12 locks at F

 

[JimmyG89]

schneider is a lock to be in the nhl, he isnt going to the ahl...

You never know with new coaching staffs. It's not as if he has been outstanding in his role. I'd just want to explore all options when it comes to guys not locked in to deals. Emberson being voted one of the best D in the AHL last season makes it at least a possibility.

The other is Robertson and based on those that follow and track the AHL, he improved quite a bit last season:



Robertson has what a lot of coaches want in a 3rd pairing type. Good size, decent mobility.

If this team is to get to another level, it is young players that will take them there. The big deals are all not moveable (based on clause or performance). The depth of the team is where changes can be made. It's also nice to know if injuries do happen (new head of medical staff), there might be younger options to explore.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Rangers please sign Tomas Nosek. Hes better than Pitlick, Bezile and the other depth players

Tomas Nosek Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Statistics of Tomas Nosek, a hockey player from Pardubice, Czech Rep. born Sep 1 1992 who was active from 2011 to 2025.

www.hockeydb.com

 

[MrAlmost]

i am saying he isnt good bc he plays at times like it is beer league in the sense that he is high risk high reward which is not what we need pairing with schneider at this time. we need a stablizing guy there. i dont hate gusto, i just dont think he fits the role that we need. then people started defending the signing saying he is much better than other say and his d issues are overblown which they are not. with his offensive talent if he had any sense of stability to his game he would be a 2nd pair puck mover for some contenders, his entire career has been as a journeyman who has been unable to lock down a long term roll on any team. he isnt 25 trying to find his place in the league, he is 31 now and has never in his career been able to earn a contract longer than 2 years in term. I also think it is very likely (not a given) that jones will not be on the nyr roster when camp breaks. it makes no sense to carry two of the same d man to rotate and alternate. i would suspect harpur will be the one that keep for the 7 role. drury seems to have a liking for him. i think it is just their way to keep a tough guy on the nhl roster for games they think they might need him, although i think it is a silly way to handle that at this point.

I have watched him only a bit, but from what I saw he was an average puck mover and average defender on the smaller side. Not overly physical, but a pretty good skater. His advanced stats are pretty good. He does get a favorable offensive zone start ratio, but he has a positive possession impact and good zone exits. He is just average, and guys that are just average bounce around the league. People like the signing cause he is capable and at a price that is way below what some other similar defensemen got. Hell, even some worse d men got more money.

We don't know what will happen with Jones. He wont be waived though. And it wasn't Drury that loved Harpur over Jones, it was Gallant that just didn't like Jones.

I havent been on the side of filling out with min deals, i have been on the side roster flexibility and structuring so you had money to take advatage of things. cap space is an asset. i am not saying that in the vane of dont sign anyone, but the way the roster is boxed in basically locks the entire thing in with no opportunity for any meaningful change/adjustment.


schneider is a lock to be in the nhl, he isnt going to the ahl...

This roster does have flexibility. Probably the most out of any of the contenders that didn't win the Cup except for Carolina. But even if they didn't/don't, what contract is it that is so bad we need to get out from? Trocheck produced above his pay and is the only player on the team to employ the relentless play we all want to see more of. Kreider and Z overproduced. Fox is a discount at this point. Lindgren and Miller have great deals. Igor is underpayed. Chytil's deal is market value. Everyone of these players lives up to or exceeds their contract. Technically so does Kakko. We will see what Laf does this year.

Goodrow is easily tradable next offseason. That will be an extra 3.6 to the already rising cap.

The only guys either overpayed or difficult to move are Panarin and Trouba and honestly, I like where their head may be at after this postseason. New staff and a bit of humble pie and now its time to become a winner. They have done it before under a worse staff.

Filling out the roster with good value contracts is exactly what roster flexibility is. You don't overcommit to complementary players both financially or for the long term unless it comes a big discount. Like Vesey. Maybe Wheeler resigns for league minimum again next year if this year goes well.

 

[GAGLine]

Who’s waived ? They have 12 locks at F

I only see 9 locks: Panarin, Kreider, Zib, Trocheck, Chytil, Kakko, Laf, Goodrow and Wheeler.

Maybe Vesey is in that list, but that still leaves 2 or 3 spots up for grabs, depending on how many forwards we carry. Adding Motte, even if we make him a lock as well, still leaves 1 or 2 spots.

It's an uphill climb for Othmann and Cuylle. They don't just have to beat out their competition, they have to do so by enough to convince Drury that it's worth the risk of losing someone on waivers. If they are truly ready, they will be on the team. Nick Bonino, Tyler Pitlick, or even Tyler Motte aren't going to stand in their way.

Personally, I don't think either are ready and both should start in the AHL. Coming up and playing 4th line minutes in the NHL isn't going to help them.

 

[RangerBoy]

Kane elected to have hip resurfacing surgery. That’s a very tough situation. Instead of having hip replacement surgery, Kane had hip resurfacing surgery.

 

[duhmetreE]

Kane elected to have hip resurfacing surgery. That’s a very tough situation. Instead of having hip replacement surgery, Kane had hip resurfacing surgery.

it's amazing how all of those numbers nosedived as a Ranger.

Where offense goes to die.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

you are borderline unhinged with how you keep trying to come after me. I answered your question, you just dont like the answer. I never would have signed trocheck to that contract that boxed the roster in with no flexibility, and i certainly would not have given him the NMC bc of the lack of flexibility. trocheck is a fine player but given the state of the cap, contracts and lack of space last summer it was the piece that boxed drury into the exact lack of flexibility that you are using to justify the moves this summer. we now have over 10m tied into two mid 6 centers without having a defined 2c on this roster. I have also been beyond clear that i think the org needs to do whatever they can to find a way to move panarin out of here for multiple reasons.

for a partner for schneider i would be looking for more of a steady d man since schneider clearly had issues last year with chaos on the ice. I dont think adding another chaos based d man is the right move to stabilize that pairing. nashville has been moving everything, would they move lauzon (ideal 3rd pairing guy that can pk and play both sides), nick blankenburg from columbus is a guy i would look for that role as well. given the cap this summer due to decisions last summer these are the kind of options that exist. the gusto slot really doesnt matter bc odds are that after the deadline he will be the 7th d man here, as i have said i dont care about the gusto signing, i think it is funny that people are just trying to ignore the warts on him and his history.

there are contenders that have made moves to get better and evolve their rosters, we are slowly going down the route of the leafs (under dubas) which was completely boxing yourself into a core financially and then constantly trying to plug mercenary types into the roster around these unmovable contracts.

60% of the cap ties into kreider torcheck zib panarin, trouba, fox. add igor and almost 67% tied up. if you make that decidsion than you damn well better commit to developing your elite young talent to backfill around them. if you dont want to commit to developing that young talent then you need roster flexibility instead of handing out nmc/ntc to virtually everyone that makes any sort of significant money around here. ironically the only guy with a big ticket that doesnt have a clause at this time is fox

I come after you because I disagree with so much that you post. It's so easy to GM from the couch. Ok fine, you wouldn't have signed Trocheck. You would be ok giving a still unproven Chytil 2C responsibilities and still have a gapping hole down the middle for a team coming off an ECF appearance? Trocheck was a fine signing and he had a good year and is their best FO guy. It's maybe a year or 2 longer than what may be ideal but the AAV is fine for a 2C. I would rather that than Strome for 5 mil. There didn't seem to be many viable options last summer either and stability and depth down the middle is important. Most contenders have a high portion of their cap tied up by a handful of players. It's not just a Rangers problem. Just look at the FA signings this year. Everybody is broke.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I havent been on the side of filling out with min deals, i have been on the side roster flexibility and structuring so you had money to take advatage of things. cap space is an asset. i am not saying that in the vane of dont sign anyone, but the way the roster is boxed in basically locks the entire thing in with no opportunity for any meaningful change/adjustment.

For now, you've forgotten what it's like to be legit contenders.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I wonder what he did