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Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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duhmetreE said:
I don’t think he is.

If we do win a cup though, he’d have to be running hot and leading the team offensively especially at even strength
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Hes hot and cold, but he’s close to a top 10 center, he’s throwing up 90 points, solid defensively.
I’d say his overall play puts him higher than Panarin, but under fox and Shesty, but there are games where he absolutely takes over.
 
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IDvsEGO said:
Hes hot and cold, but he’s close to a top 10 center, he’s throwing up 90 points, solid defensively.
I’d say his overall play puts him higher than Panarin, but under fox and Shesty, but there are games where he absolutely takes over.
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He's been morphing into a power play specialist but it's flying under the radar because of Panarin's disappearing act.
 
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IDvsEGO said:
Hes hot and cold, but he’s close to a top 10 center, he’s throwing up 90 points, solid defensively.
I’d say his overall play puts him higher than Panarin, but under fox and Shesty, but there are games where he absolutely takes over.
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I don't remember that since Covid.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Yeah, as long as he comes in at $8m or less it's not a bad deal. Especially with the expected increase in cap. The issue the Rangetrs had was Hank making $8.5m which, at that time, was a considerably higher percent of the cap space.
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8x8 with Igor and a 92M cap rising each year is perfectly fine
 
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McRanger92 said:
I did not expect you to like it. Not sure what else you wouldve had them do though. And don't say trade Panarin or Trouba because you are too smart to think that was a reasonable possibility this summer.
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At this point they’ve made their bed so I’m not sure there is anything else to be done. Trade Goodrow is the easiest solution. But even if they did the best they could this summer, poor previous moves have made this bed and I don’t have to like where they are now.

They could have started with not trading firsts for rentals the last two seasons.
 
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mas0764 said:
At this point they’ve made their bed so I’m not sure there is anything else to be done. Trade Goodrow is the easiest solution. But even if they did the best they could this summer, poor previous moves have made this bed and I don’t have to like where they are now.

They could have started with not trading firsts for rentals the last two seasons.
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Then we are in agreement that Gorton & Davidson never shouldve subsidized the rebuild committing 20 mil a year to Trouba and Panarin. Keeping the firsts also wouldnt have changed the team at all because anyone they drafted the last 2 years with those picks would still be 2 years away at minimum.
 
mas0764 said:
At this point they’ve made their bed so I’m not sure there is anything else to be done. Trade Goodrow is the easiest solution. But even if they did the best they could this summer, poor previous moves have made this bed and I don’t have to like where they are now.

They could have started with not trading firsts for rentals the last two seasons.
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Except that the trades drury made the year we made the ecf we’re flawless.
We made the ecf! With the youngest team in the playoffs.
Like I get that this board is “hockey futures”
But at a certain point you do have to go for it.
Being upset at the moves the past deadline I can understand. Both tarasenko and Kane were too much and drury got bullied by either Dolan or the media.
But I don’t disagree with making a legit run at things.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Then we are in agreement that Gorton & Davidson never shouldve subsidized the rebuild committing 20 mil a year to Trouba and Panarin. Keeping the firsts also wouldnt have changed the team at all because anyone they drafted the last 2 years with those picks would still be 2 years away at minimum.
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At this stage, yes.

At the time of the Panarin and Trouba acquisitions, I did not hate them to the extent I dislike them now.

Trouba I always felt that we overpaid for in salary, but in assets I felt it was a good buy. And Panarin cost no assets, just salary. Fox I think had barely just been acquired at the time and DeAngelo hadn't developed yet. Robertson, Nils, and Jones all had not been drafted.

I envisioned Panarin being the buffer on offense and Trouba being the buffer on defense, both players young enough to be the elder statesmen to guide the kids through. And if that was how they were used, I think I'd be standing here today not disliking our situation nearly as much: We would have traded Kreider for a haul, Buch would have either been kept or flipped for a very nice futures package, Goodrow never would have been signed, Trocheck never would have been signed, DeAngelo would have been liquidated far before he blew up his trade value.

We NEVER would have given away firsts for rentals.

At this stage, today, I envision we'd obviously be farther away from winning a Cup next year, but much closer to winning a Cup in the 2-10 years out range. Lafreniere, Kakko and Chytil would have been leaned on and probably would be farther along. And we'd have about 6-8 more young building block pieces.
 
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Kreider-Zib-Tarasenko ($3,5 M/1 year)
Laf ($2M)-Chytil-Kakko
Panarin-Trocheck-Zadina (league minimum)
Vesey-Bonino-Wheeler

Pitlick as the extra
Kane on LTIR ($1 M + bonuses) at the latest moment in Nov/Dec
DUH
#NYR = Mandela Effecct. Aways
 
McRanger92 said:
Then we are in agreement that Gorton & Davidson never shouldve subsidized the rebuild committing 20 mil a year to Trouba and Panarin. Keeping the firsts also wouldnt have changed the team at all because anyone they drafted the last 2 years with those picks would still be 2 years away at minimum.
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I don’t think there is any question about this re: the contracts.

The Trouba deal is one that I dislike in hindsight. The good news is that it won’t be that difficult to move if the team feels the desire to move on from it (and I’m not sure they will.) So many GMs overvalue what he brings to the table but so does ours. We’ll see what happens next summer when the NMC turns into a partial NTC.

I’ve hated Panarin’s contract since the second it was signed and I hate it even more now. Every single thing I foresaw with that deal has happened or is in the process of happening and he’s going to be a tougher move. It’s also structured in a way that makes it pretty much buyout proof. This is the deal that nuked the rebuild from pretty much the very angle.

I hope that he doesn’t decline heavily this year. If he’s still about what he was last year someone will be desperate enough to want him with only a 2 year commitment.

We could have lived with one of these contracts. Tough to put anything together with both of them.
 
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BBKers said:
Kreider-Zib-Tarasenko ($3,5 M/1 year)
Laf ($2M)-Chytil-Kakko
Panarin-Trocheck-Zadina (league minimum)
Vesey-Bonino-Wheeler

Pitlick as the extra
Kane on LTIR ($1 M + bonuses) at the latest moment in Nov/Dec
DUH
#NYR = Mandela Effecct. Aways
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Whats millers cap number? Because not sure that math works.
 
BBKers said:
Kreider-Zib-Tarasenko ($3,5 M/1 year)
Laf ($2M)-Chytil-Kakko
Panarin-Trocheck-Zadina (league minimum)
Vesey-Bonino-Wheeler

Pitlick as the extra
Kane on LTIR ($1 M + bonuses) at the latest moment in Nov/Dec
DUH
#NYR = Mandela Effecct. Aways
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Kane can’t get bonuses.
 
McRanger92 said:
Then we are in agreement that Gorton & Davidson never shouldve subsidized the rebuild committing 20 mil a year to Trouba and Panarin. Keeping the firsts also wouldnt have changed the team at all because anyone they drafted the last 2 years with those picks would still be 2 years away at minimum.
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I don't know if it's fair to lump them together.

Panarin was the type of talent you disregard context to acquire if you can. I believe he still is. You obviously hope he gets his shit together in the playoffs, but the whole team needs to get their shit together in the playoffs, and we're not in the playoffs without him.

Trouba was never that guy and he's declined on top of that. DeAngelo and Fox weren't exactly prospects -- they were sure-thing NHL players. We overpaid to fill a position we had a glut of talent at. It was dumb from day 1, rebuild or no rebuild.
 
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Machinehead said:
I don't know if it's fair to lump them together.

Panarin was the type of talent you disregard context to acquire if you can. I believe he still is. You obviously hope he gets his shit together in the playoffs, but the whole team needs to get their shit together in the playoffs, and we're not in the playoffs without him.

Trouba was never that guy and he's declined on top of that. DeAngelo and Fox weren't exactly prospects -- they were sure-thing NHL players. We overpaid to fill a position we had a glut of talent at. It was dumb from day 1, rebuild or no rebuild.
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Was going to say this. Nobody should compare Trouba to Panarin. Trouba was dumb from day 1 as you said while Panarin actually looked like he would outplay his contract his first two years.
 
So all those people saying that Trouba enabled Fox and TDA to do their thing were just kidding?

All that time I thought they were just donks!
 
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LaffyTaffyNYR said:
The lack of playoff run this year has really soured this board lol. Maybe Carolina should rebuild, maybe NJ who got destroyed by Car should rebuild, maybe Boston who had 140 points almost should rebuild, Toronto, Tampa, etc. Only two teams play for the cup, that doesn’t mean the other teams are awful.
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You would think this would be pretty obvious but nope not on this board. Negativity rules.
 
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