Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[SRHRangers]

Got to at least make the phone call to Colorado about Panarin.

Prolly not interested but you gotta make it.

 

[McRanger92]

Got to at least make the phone call to Colorado about Panarin.

Prolly not interested but you gotta make it.

Chicago and Colorado. Odds are about 1% it amounts to anything, but it's not like Drury is going to be busy until the coaching candidates start to get eliminated

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I keep looking at Cap Friendly for different paths at an $83.5M cap hit. There really isn’t much to do. Drury is likely going to rely on Kakko and Lafreniere moving up the lineup and backfilling with Othmann/Cuylle.

Trade Grubbe for a pick. Maybe like a 5th. Maybe a rebuilding team with a lot of picks would rather stagger their prospects a bit better. Arizona, San Jose, Columbus. Minnesota needs cheap contracts.

Trade Hajek if anyone will take him otherwise don’t qualify him.

Laf 2x2.2
Miller 3x3.85
Jones 1x.885 (squeezed)

They can sign Motte for like 3x1.3. Assume Brodzinski and Harpur are the scratches.

A goalie will need to be signed for like $850,000. Maybe up to $1M. Find a reclamation project with Garand waiting in the wings in the event of a total failure. Maybe Nedeljkovic. A guy with talent who has struggled. 1 year $850K. Let Allaire fix him. Or bring Halak back if they like him.

They can use Cuylle with Motte and Goodrow on the 4th line. Or they can sign a guy like Austin Watson probably for under $1M. I think they’ll bring in a good forechecker in that price range on the 4th line and allow Cuylle to start in HFD. Could be a 4C or a 4RW, depending on whether they keep Goodrow and move him around the lineup. I could see Goodrow playing up the lineup with Panarin and Chytil as the responsible player with them.

They could buy out or trade Goodrow. But I don’t think they want to and every time I did, I was left underwhelmed. It’s not like freeing up that cap space really enables them to do much. They could sign a 4th line C for cheaper than his $3.6M, but why do that. Who are they signing with that hit? Have you looked at the UFA list? It’s uninspiring. I guess it could be used to lock into better value deals with Miller or Laf.

I was reading about LTIR because I was curious if they signed Kane and he had surgery how that would work. The Rangers don’t get free cap space for LTIR. It just allows them to spend over the cap. Teams typically want to spend up to the cap before signing the player because their LTIR money increases. Kane signs 1 year $4M to have his hip surgery and join the Rangers after the deadline. He’s their acquisition. The Rangers had $4M of cap space to play around with during the season. None of that space accrues at the deadline. They can add a depth piece or two before activating Kane.

Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Chytil - Goodrow
Kreider - Trocheck - Othmann
Motte - 4C UFA - Vesey

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Jones - Schneider

Harpur/Brodzinski

Shesterkin
Nedeljkovic

LTIR: Kane

Barring something crazy, like one of the 5 waiving their NMC, I think they run it back like this with a new coach. Pretty much have to. Give Kakko and Laf some PP time. With Kreider, Zibanejad, Fox, Panarin - there’s really only one PP spot open. I guess Kakko has earned it to start.

Only 3 draft picks and no cap space. Will probably be a boring off-season.

There is ZERO chance they run it back with last years team +Othmann and a new 4C.

Also 4 draft picks and probably more by the time they get to the draft.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Got to at least make the phone call to Colorado about Panarin.

Prolly not interested but you gotta make it.

You likely need to do it in the reverse order.
Go to Panarin and confirm if he’d waive.
No reason to even get started on moving him, if he’s never leaving.

 

[LORDE]

I'm LOL'ing so much at the

LAF - Z - ???

Line combos

I hope you get what you're all clamoring for.

Maybe Vesey if not. They're the same... almost. Vesey is better.

 

[Machinehead]

I would fully, unironically rather have Vesey in the top 9 than Goodrow.

 

[NYR Viper]

I would fully, unironically rather have Vesey in the top 9 than Goodrow.

I'd sign a couple of low-key UFA's to plug in to the top-9 at pretty much cap minimums at this point. Leivo being one.

 

[McRanger92]

I would fully, unironically rather have Vesey in the top 9 than Goodrow.

Vesey was wasted on the 4th line that Gallant never played. Tell me Kreider-Trocheck-Vesey isnt the matchup line the Rangers have been looking for?

 

[SRHRangers]

And Fast is not an option.

I wouldn't talk to a team that lowballed me and let me go unless they were about to something stupid to bring me back.

Fast back to Broadway would be a Goodrow mistake of a contract.

 

[Machinehead]

Vesey was wasted on the 4th line that Gallant never played. Tell me Kreider-Trocheck-Vesey isnt the matchup line the Rangers have been looking for?

You're right.

Honestly, our analytics took a dive from ok to bad when Vesey started getting less time.

We possibly already have the things and stuff player who actually does things and stuff and we demoted him for no reason.

Also, not only did the 4th line not play much, it got absolutely caved when it did because it had noted playoff performer Barclay Goodrow on it.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

Kakko needs to be incredible on OUR team.

No doubt. I worry about him less than Laf though

 

[NYR Viper]

You're right.

Honestly, our analytics took a dive from ok to bad when Vesey started getting less time.

We possibly already have the things and stuff player who actually does things and stuff and we demoted him for no reason.

Also, not only did the 4th line not play much, it got absolutely caved when it did because it had noted playoff performer Barclay Goodrow on it.

Goodrow just isn't a center.

I think the guy I would attack in UFA is Blueger. I don't think he makes much and I think his speed would work well on a true match-up, speed line with Motte and Vesey. I keep saying this but I would also re-sign Blidh and Lockwood as call-ups for the same purpose on this 4th line. Similar speed based players.

 

[Machinehead]

Goodrow just isn't a center.

I think the guy I would attack in UFA is Blueger. I don't think he makes much and I think his speed would work well on a true match-up, speed line with Motte and Vesey. I keep saying this but I would also re-sign Blidh and Lockwood as call-ups for the same purpose on this 4th line. Similar speed based players.

The prince of Latvia

 

[JimmyG89]

Chicago and Colorado. Odds are about 1% it amounts to anything, but it's not like Drury is going to be busy until the coaching candidates start to get eliminated

Colorado I can see, but what does Chicago even have to offer that isn't the #1 pick? They can take his whole salary, but what is the return? They're in full blown rebuild.

To me it is Colorado or Florida. Panthers don't own their 1st for the next three seasons, so they have to go for it. Darkhorse is Montreal, but something tells me Panarin wouldn't want to deal with the Canadian media.

 

[Machinehead]

Colorado I can see, but what does Chicago even have to offer that isn't the #1 pick? They can take his whole salary, but what is the return? They're in full blown rebuild.

To me it is Colorado or Florida. Panthers don't own their 1st for the next three seasons, so they have to go for it. Darkhorse is Montreal, but something tells me Panarin wouldn't want to deal with the Canadian media.

He'll just go from pretending he doesn't understand English to actually not understanding French.

 

[LOFIN]

Colorado I can see, but what does Chicago even have to offer that isn't the #1 pick? They can take his whole salary, but what is the return? They're in full blown rebuild.

To me it is Colorado or Florida. Panthers don't own their 1st for the next three seasons, so they have to go for it. Darkhorse is Montreal, but something tells me Panarin wouldn't want to deal with the Canadian media.

Rangers retain 50% and then Colorado might start to play with the idea. With full contract, forget about it.

 

[MrAlmost]

A few things since I was away.

1. I'm going to post a player's stats since he's become a pro.

GP G A P +/- PIM
53 5 7 12 9 20
82 7 13 20 23 24
79 9 34 43 12 47

That's K'Andre Miller. And people still think he stinks or want to trade him when there's a clear progression? Now comes the usual "yeah, but...." arguments. I'm sorry but if that isn't an improvement then what is? The entire team had a rough series. Can't use that. You don't trade a guy who isn't even in his physical peak yet and skates like he does. You take his skating out of the lineup and the Rangers D are sloths.

Larry was out to lunch (Eric Dolphy style) on that speculation. Is it because he doesn't smash like Pronger or Blake? Is it for another reason which I'm not going to bring up?

The "you have to give to get" trope doesn't work here. There is no fictional get. Nothing.

2. Trading Schneider on not even the third year of his ELC because he didn't put up 30 points? No.

3. Jesper Fast is not coming back. He's not a big market guy. Rangers burned that bridge negotiating like jack asses with him. He was snubbed.

4. Goodrow to Colorado please. They have a lot of UFAs and need bottom six help badly. More cap room with the Landenskog injury. No brainer.

5. Chychrun sucks. Injury prone. Rangers need to stop being humps and going for guys from losing organizations.

6. Once again should have signed Verhage and targeted both Joseph brothers, and taken a flyer on Tolveinen from the waiver wire. Why not? Dumb dumb moved and more "yeah, but...." arguments. Leshychyun? I hope he at least helps Hartford vs. Hershey. Useless.

I have wondered the bolded myself. No player has been so good for us, and surprisingly clutch, yet is still not enough. Odd

Vesey was wasted on the 4th line that Gallant never played. Tell me Kreider-Trocheck-Vesey isnt the matchup line the Rangers have been looking for?

Vesey and the team were flat out better when he played more minutes. He should be in the top 9, preferably on the right with Kreider and Trocheck. Great matchup line. Tough, straight ahead players that are smart and not useless in the offensive zone. Start with that unit and go from there.

 

[McRanger92]

And Fast is not an option.

I wouldn't talk to a team that lowballed me and let me go unless they were about to something stupid to bring me back.

Fast back to Broadway would be a Goodrow mistake of a contract.

The guys who lowballed him are gone and half the team Fast played with are still here, I see no reason why he'd be so petty, especially when the rumblings I remember are that fast left because he wasnt interested in a rebuild.

Either way, there are other options for that role. They just need a guy who can play fast (no pun intended), forecheck and create space on Panarin's wing. I like Garland as an option if you can get Vancouver to retain or he gets bought out. Hathaway would also kill 2 birds with one stone; get tougher and get a hardnosed guy to do the dirty work.

 

[NYRFAN218]

Kreider - Mika - Kakko
Panarin - Chytil - Laf
Vesey - Trocheck - XXXX
XXXX - XXXX - XXXX
Brodzinski

Think this is the shadow lineup we're kind of working with for now. Need Laf and Kakko in the top 6 to figure out what you have in them not to mention Kreider - Mika - Kakko was their best line last year. You can flip Panarin and Laf if you want Laf to be more comfortable, I quite frankly don't care about where Panarin plays and his comfortability after this year. Can Vesey - Trocheck - XXXX be a shutdown line they need? Othmann and Cuylle in contention for spots. Goodrow has to go if for no other reason than cap purposes. I think they need to sign 3 forwards at the minimum to fill out the bottom 6.

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Jones - Schneider
XXXXX

D is pretty simple to me. Jones slides in where Mikkola and gets an actual chance to play for an extended period this year. Sign a 7th that's actually serviceable and not Harpur.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

I'm LOL'ing so much at the

LAF - Z - ???

Line combos

I hope you get what you're all clamoring for.

Maybe Vesey if not. They're the same... almost. Vesey is better.

LOLing.

The vets have showed their playoff will, they aren't good enough.

Time to go to your #1 and #2 before the off season and tell them to buckle up. The top 6 is there for the taking. Do everything this off season to get ready.

We asked them to be passengers and they were mediocre. Let's try with them as the primaries COGs like when they were drafted and see which version we get. If it fails so be it, it eliminates the TOI and PP argument and you know for certain who they are. (INSERT Dennis Green rant)

 

[SRHRangers]

The guys who lowballed him are gone and half the team Fast played with are still here, I see no reason why he'd be so petty, especially when the rumblings I remember are that fast left because he wasnt interested in a rebuild.

Either way, there are other options for that role. They just need a guy who can play fast (no pun intended), forecheck and create space on Panarin's wing. I like Garland as an option if you can get Vancouver to retain or he gets bought out. Hathaway would also kill 2 birds with one stone; get tougher and get a hardnosed guy to do the dirty work.

Rangers could've said they were rebuilding, but a "rebuild" went out the door when they signed Panarin and Trouba, and reupped Krieder.

I rather bring up organization players (WC, BO, etc) than give any bottom 6 plug a multi year contract. At least for now and this teams situation.

Fast, Hathaway, etc are getting 2-3 year deals. I don't want to be locked into that.

Vesey was an exception because he identified that this is where he wanted to be and basically signed for the min.

 

[Machinehead]

5v5 forward chance creation against the Devils.

Lafreniere sucks, Kakko doesn't, part 69.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Vesey was wasted on the 4th line that Gallant never played. Tell me Kreider-Trocheck-Vesey isnt the matchup line the Rangers have been looking for?

That line was great the week and a half it existed. Gallant had some good combos come out of the line blender but his stubbornness always went back to THE TEMPLATE

 

[Savant]

Colorado I can see, but what does Chicago even have to offer that isn't the #1 pick? They can take his whole salary, but what is the return? They're in full blown rebuild.

To me it is Colorado or Florida. Panthers don't own their 1st for the next three seasons, so they have to go for it. Darkhorse is Montreal, but something tells me Panarin wouldn't want to deal with the Canadian media.

Chicago has picks and cap space. That’s enough for me. But he likely isn’t waiving for that. Just get Johnson and Zaitsev’s expiring contracts and find some draft picks/futures; if memory serves they have some good puck movers in their pipeline. You aren’t going to be able to trade Panarin for another Hart level candidate.

Florida might be playing for the Cup, and I don’t think salary wise you can do that unless you are getting Reinhart back but I also doubt they are moving him.

 

[McRanger92]

Rangers could've said they were rebuilding, but a "rebuild" went out the door when they signed Panarin and Trouba, and reupped Krieder.

I rather bring up organization players (WC, BO, etc) than give any bottom 6 plug a multi year contract. At least for now and this teams situation.

Fast, Hathaway, etc are getting 2-3 year deals. I don't want to be locked into that.

Vesey was an exception because he identified that this is where he wanted to be and basically signed for the min.

2-3 year deals are nothing. The Fast's and Hathaway's of the world are not getting significant raises in a flat cap situation. They are the kind of guys the Rangers need to incorporate into the lineup. Fast has been terrorizing the Devils all series. Watching Hathaway, all he does is hit guys hard on the forecheck, force turnovers and live around the blue paint. Neither guy is a top 6 player production-wise, but both would be a key cog on a line creating space with Panarin & Chytil. Cuylle and Othmann should be pieces next year on top of that

That line was great the week and a half it existed. Gallant had some good combos come out of the line blender but his stubbornness always went back to THE TEMPLATE

I never want to see the Kid Line again as long as I live