Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[bernmeister]

Yeah but nyr can go over the cap by 10% during the off season. So those 800k contracts on say 2 more players won’t effect signing kam or laf to the bridge deals nyr will most likely do, and it won’t effect signing Kane when he’s healthy. I’d love kam long term but drury seems to be leaning towards bridges.

1. Fact that Dru is not working to best long term interest of the club by doing win now bridge instead of full extension on KAM, a certain keeper, is not a reason to just shut up and take it and give him a pass.
When, like everyone else, if you are right you are right and when you are wrong, you are wrong.
Going over the cap temporarily is NOT smart.
In short order, you have to get back under.
Should just have not signed anybody other than Pitlick

Wheeler, I see the upside. But can we trust him?
Does this mean if Trouba would consider waiving early, we now have to hold off, b'c we need JT to keep him in line?
I mean, I could see Kreider kicking his sorry ass, but w/our luck I could see Chris breaking his hand in the process.

We should just run same crew, 111% play Cuyle + Othmann
IF IF IF Kane is 111% healthy come 2024, and will then sign for min # show me, THEN we can look at yr ro yr 1 season at a time for as long as his body holds up.
Otherwise no.

It's a moot point because we don't have the cap space to give long term contracts to either player.

Yeah, NOW we almost don't have it for sure unless we deal Lindgren for pick(s) and prob 1-2 other moves.
But we did not need to go there before.
Couple of pages back, I explained.

At that point, cap space available was like 11m+
6.25 for KAM
= 5ish
2 for LaF on show me
= 3 ish

Even w/o dealing Lindy at that pt
just roll w/usual crew
promote Cuyle, Othmann, showcase Jones, then Robertson + Scanlin
that, plus using guys already under contract [Vesey, Brodz,]

Hopefully Lavi has no preconceived notions about who should be playing with who. Team needs a shake up in lines and pairs.

keep kid line together
KK I think can adjust w/a short familiarization period
ditto Chytil, even less so
LaF needs more experience
stop breaking up a successful line

Other than that, all bets are off and it depends on best chemistry
that said at this point Zib + Kreid likely stay, whether Z remains at pivot and they bring in a RW or Z shifts to RW and they bring in a pivot

Panarin is the one who need to eat some himble pie and go on top the 3rd line

This is what I've been saying but keep getting the "Kreider isn't a 3rd liner" nonsense.

They appear to value him more than we do.

Disagree he is not a 3rd liner unless lines above him are outplaying his line.
Not the case so not so....

 

[Bruner4329]

Ive been one of CKs biggest supporters for years. Before his last 2 years. If CKs 40 goals would bring a lot back you listen to offers. CK is one of the fastest skaters in the NHL but stopped using that speed years ago.

Playoffs in Carolina 2 years ago took a pass in his own zone outskated the defense and scored on a break away. This year game 3 streaked down the left side and blasted a shot past the Devils Goalie that gave us a temporary one goal lead. There have been several other instances as well.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

If the Tarasenko thing drags out, I'd circle back. I still want to trade Goodrow no matter what. Nothing against the player, but his contract is gross. Trade him for a 3rd. Then you re-sign Laf and K'Andre. And MAYBE Tarasenko takes a bit of a hometown discount? Maybe he'd be willing to sign here for a little less money? We can take some of the Goodrow cap and give it to him.

LW depth of Krieder, Panarin, Laf
C depth of Mika, Trocheck, Chytil (still hate Chytil at C)
RW - Tarasenko, Wheeler, Kakko


Giddy-f***ing-up

 

[Bruner4329]

One combo I'd really like to see is Kreider-Chytil-Wheeler. I think Wheeler compliments both well and Kreider-Chytil has had success in the past.

CK and Chytil have not played a lot together. He has been with Zibs or Trots for all but a handful of times.

 

[bernmeister]

Kreider is best when not overplayed. Losing maybe a minute at even strength per game (He'd be loaded up late game down goals) won't hurt him, especially as he works into his 30s.

While he is getting older and obv that catches up to all of us, w'o exception, and an extra min or so off per game couldn't hurt, I think the issue is more wear and tear.
By either not having a great RW to complement
or
a useful pivot allowing righty shot Zib to RW
he is underutilized as to his speed.

And he takes a beating earning all those tip ins in front of the net
I am not saying don't use him there, just would be nice if he were not the only one.

 

[Alluckks]

Kreider is best when not overplayed. Losing maybe a minute at even strength per game (He'd be loaded up late game down goals) won't hurt him, especially as he works into his 30s.

We shouldn't use him on the PK anymore. I think it severely limited his transition game at 5v5 as the season went on.

 

[bernmeister]

If the Tarasenko thing drags out, I'd circle back. I still want to trade Goodrow no matter what. Nothing against the player, but his contract is gross. Trade him for a 3rd. Then you re-sign Laf and K'Andre. And MAYBE Tarasenko takes a bit of a hometown discount? Maybe he'd be willing to sign here for a little less money? We can take some of the Goodrow cap and give it to him.

LW depth of Krieder, Panarin, Laf
C depth of Mika, Trocheck, Chytil (still hate Chytil at C)
RW - Tarasenko, Wheeler, Kakko


Giddy-f***ing-up

1 "no matter what" = invitation for trouble
2 you won't get a 3rd for him
you'll get a best a 6th but no retention, IMO
UNLESS
ltb
and hold him til injury pushes his value up

stop w/win now and its consequences

 

[Alluckks]

Wheeler is a distributor, he should play with Kreider and Zib who are volume shooters. My only worry is that it would so negatively effect possession the way that it did when Kane was with them.

Wheeler shouldn't play with Panarin. I think that would be a nightmare.

He could work with Chytil; we should be turning Chytil into a volume shooter like Zib.

Kreider Zib Kakko
Panarin Chytil someone
Laf Chytil Wheeler
Vesey Goodrow

Could end up Goodrow 2nd line; also gotta see how these tryout vets work

 

[NickyFotiu]

Playoffs in Carolina 2 years ago took a pass in his own zone outskated the defense and scored on a break away. This year game 3 streaked down the left side and blasted a shot past the Devils Goalie that gave us a temporary one goal lead. There have been several other instances as well.

He used to do that very often every season. I know he still can. The speed is still there. The question I would ask him is why has he stopped featuring that aspect of his game.

 

[RGY]

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Wheeler is a distributor, he should play with Kreider and Zib who are volume shooters. My only worry is that it would so negatively effect possession the way that it did when Kane was with them.

Wheeler shouldn't play with Panarin. I think that would be a nightmare.

He could work with Chytil; we should be turning Chytil into a volume shooter like Zib.

Kreider Zib Kakko
Panarin Chytil someone
Laf Chytil Wheeler
Vesey Goodrow

Could end up Goodrow 2nd line; also gotta see how these tryout vets work

Any time you end up with Goodrow in the top 6 you've lost the plot.

 

[RangerBoy]

Trelliving finally made a good move.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Trelliving finally made a good move.

Wonder where the money comes in at

 

[McRanger92]

Trelliving finally made a good move.

Bunting replacement

 

[RangerBoy]

Wonder where the money comes in at

 

[DanielBrassard]

Heck of a deal, he’s gonna be a great fit with Matthews and Marner.

 

[egelband]

I’m quoting someone here , so many friggin posts and I don‘t know who said it, you guys posts too much, lol. Someone said instead of moving like 1st, or 2nd round pics or other futures at the TDL, Drury went after small contracts, that are rentals from the start of the season, and it’s only costing them cap. If it doesnt work out no harm no foul. Really brilliant moves……except the Quick move. Think he is done, hope he proves me wrong but I am not optimistic.

I agree. Vets to fill out the roster on one year deals is a good idea. Committing multiple years and substantial cap to guys like Nemeth and Goodrow and Brendan Smiths and Reaves is quietly damaging. Teams need the bottom six and the third D pair to generate big energy. Competition is really good there.

 

[egelband]

I think Kane signs a 1 year $1M contract with the Rangers when he's close to ready to coming back. That would be in the December to February time-frame. Rangers will have more accrued cap space at that time.

They will have a hole for a top 9 RW unless Othmann comes in, transitions to the RW and lights the world on fire (which I wouldn't be opposed to).

I agree Kane probably comes back but I’d assume they give him the deal before the season. If he’s taking a show me deal he won’t want it pro-rated and the rangers will do him that courtesy, I’d think.

 

[17futurecap]

I agree Kane probably comes back but I’d assume they give him the deal before the season. If he’s taking a show me deal he won’t want it pro-rated and the rangers will do him that courtesy, I’d think.

If it puts the Rangers into LTIR, and then you just waive say Pitlick to activate Kane, I would do it. It stops Drury from having any trade deadline space, which is also a positive. Enough with giving away picks.

 

[rangersfansince08]

If they do resign Kane hopefully his hip will be fixed by then

 

[Crease]

I think Kane signs a 1 year $1M contract with the Rangers when he's close to ready to coming back. That would be in the December to February time-frame. Rangers will have more accrued cap space at that time.

They will have a hole for a top 9 RW unless Othmann comes in, transitions to the RW and lights the world on fire (which I wouldn't be opposed to).

Can’t he get more money if he signs over the summer and agrees to go on LTIR?

 

[GAGLine]

Can’t he get more money if he signs over the summer and agrees to go on LTIR?

Yes, but if he does that, it won't be from the Rangers.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Can’t he get more money if he signs over the summer and agrees to go on LTIR?

Yes, he could. Don't think contending teams would do that and cause their team to go into LTIR right st the start of the season. That team won't accrue any TDL cap space.

Apparently Kane has a short list of contenders he wants to sign with.

 

[Avery16]

Jagr let it all go.

 

[will1066]

Heck of a deal, he’s gonna be a great fit with Matthews and Marner.

Tyler Bertuzzi admittedly is exactly the type that Toronto needs