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Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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Loving Yzerman being exposed as no different than any other GM who just ran really hot on player development variance.

Total garbage free agency classes, didn't properly sell off last deadline, keeps kicking the can down the road so he won't get fired. Ten year rebuild lol.

f***ing told everyone pining for Tampa magic that it was the same good hockey men as exist in every organization who all do things the same way.

Tap dancing on that narratives grave. That shit was infuriating.
 
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Crease said:
Hopefully Lavi has no preconceived notions about who should be playing with who. Team needs a shake up in lines and pairs.
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This was one of the things Gallant did not do. There are combos that can work, just never really explored them or abandoned them too quickly.

One combo I'd really like to see is Kreider-Chytil-Wheeler. I think Wheeler compliments both well and Kreider-Chytil has had success in the past.

Just need to try new things and the players need to be open to it. It always seemed like Panarin didn't want to play with either Lafreniere or Kakko. That has to change.
 
I still think we need a 'matchup' line. I do not want Zibs to be that guy. He needs to turn the dial more to 5v5 creation/production.

Hopefully this is where Peca comes in. Trocheck is probably our best bet as 'that guy'. If we're going to give him our best defensive wingers, it'd probably look like Kreider Trocheck Vesey or Goodrow. This is assuming Laffy doesn't move to the right.

Panarin Zibs Kakko
Laffy Chytil Wheeler
Kreider Trocheck Vesey/Goodrow

Each line has a guy that can/will carry the puck up ice.
Each line has a forechecking presence.
Each line has possession potential
The top line has our 3 best players at their respective positions. Makes sense.
Our 'checking line' should be strong defensively while also being capable of producing offense/forechecking.
Laffy and Chytil get a veteran voice to help/guide them.

It makes sense, therefore I do not see it happening.
 
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Barring any other player shuffling, I'd give this forward group a shot:

Panarin - Zibanejad - Kakko
Laf - Chytil - Wheeler
Kreider - Trocheck - Goodrow
Vesey - Bonino - Pitlick

My only real issue is the lack of speed but it has a lot of size and skill. So if Laviolette can change the way this team plays, that lack of speed won't be as much of an issue.

I think that 3rd line could be really good and a bit of a boost for Goodrow.
 
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Wheeler is going to play with Kreider and Mika. Wheeler with Panarin and Chytil will end the season -125 in +/-.
 
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Only 6 UFA forwards since June 1 have signed a multi-year deal with a higher AAV than Goodrow.

Athanasiou 2 years 4 per with Chicago
Barbashev 5 years 5 per with Vegas
O’Reilly 4 years 4.5 per with Nashville
Bunting 3 years 4.5 per with Carolina
Compher 5 years 5.1 per with Detroit
Killorn 4 years 6.25 per with Anaheim

That Goodrow contract stunk since day 1, should have been such an easy buy out last week.
 
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17futurecap said:
Only 6 UFA forwards since June 1 have signed a multi-year deal with a higher AAV than Goodrow.

Athanasiou 2 years 4 per with Chicago
Barbashev 5 years 5 per with Vegas
O’Reilly 4 years 4.5 per with Nashville
Bunting 3 years 4.5 per with Carolina
Compher 5 years 5.1 per with Detroit
Killorn 4 years 6.25 per with Anaheim

That Goodrow contract stunk since day 1, should have been such an easy buy out last week.
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Shouldn’t even count AA on here given that he only got two years. Goodrow got 6!?!
 
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And Staple doesn’t lie?
Something of on this theory.
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Sure he does. Wouldn't take either story 109% at face value. I was responding to the comments that seemed to completely believe Chris' statement as gospel.

This isn't somewhere in the middle though. Either he did or he didn't discuss trading Laf at some point with other teams. We can all speculate about to what degree.
 
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looking like a big mistake not buying out Goodrow. could've fit either Acciari or Rodrigues who are both much, much better.
 
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duhmetreE said:
I still think we need a 'matchup' line. I do not want Zibs to be that guy. He needs to turn the dial more to 5v5 creation/production.

Hopefully this is where Peca comes in. Trocheck is probably our best bet as 'that guy'. If we're going to give him our best defensive wingers, it'd probably look like Kreider Trocheck Vesey or Goodrow. This is assuming Laffy doesn't move to the right.

Panarin Zibs Kakko
Laffy Chytil Wheeler
Kreider Trocheck Vesey/Goodrow

Each line has a guy that can/will carry the puck up ice.
Each line has a forechecking presence.
Each line has possession potential
The top line has our 3 best players at their respective positions. Makes sense.
Our 'checking line' should be strong defensively while also being capable of producing offense/forechecking.
Laffy and Chytil get a veteran voice to help/guide them.

It makes sense, therefore I do not see it happening.
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This is what I've been saying but keep getting the "Kreider isn't a 3rd liner" nonsense.

Avery16 said:
His contract sticks out like a sore thumb. We’re supposed to ignore it?
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They appear to value him more than we do.
 
Shesterkybomb said:
This is what I've been saying but keep getting the "Kreider isn't a 3rd liner" nonsense.



They appear to value him more than we do.
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it's not about being a 3rd line but more of playing a role.

He defaults to our best 'matchup' LWer. Or it could be Goodrow but then we have no RWer.

The problem is the balance of the roster.
 
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JimmyG89 said:
This was one of the things Gallant did not do. There are combos that can work, just never really explored them or abandoned them too quickly.

One combo I'd really like to see is Kreider-Chytil-Wheeler. I think Wheeler compliments both well and Kreider-Chytil has had success in the past.

Just need to try new things and the players need to be open to it. It always seemed like Panarin didn't want to play with either Lafreniere or Kakko. That has to change.
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That is an interesting line. It has some real positives but also some negatives.
CK and Chytil have speed.
All 3 have size.
Blake is a good playmaker while CK and Chytil are not generally.
My issue with CK is that he is one of the fastest players in the NHL but you would never know it watching him play. If I was Lavi I would pull out clips of CK using his speed in his first 5-7 years and ask him why have you stopped?

duhmetreE said:
I still think we need a 'matchup' line. I do not want Zibs to be that guy. He needs to turn the dial more to 5v5 creation/production.

Hopefully this is where Peca comes in. Trocheck is probably our best bet as 'that guy'. If we're going to give him our best defensive wingers, it'd probably look like Kreider Trocheck Vesey or Goodrow. This is assuming Laffy doesn't move to the right.

Panarin Zibs Kakko
Laffy Chytil Wheeler
Kreider Trocheck Vesey/Goodrow

Each line has a guy that can/will carry the puck up ice.
Each line has a forechecking presence.
Each line has possession potential
The top line has our 3 best players at their respective positions. Makes sense.
Our 'checking line' should be strong defensively while also being capable of producing offense/forechecking.
Laffy and Chytil get a veteran voice to help/guide them.

It makes sense, therefore I do not see it happening.
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On paper I like that. Only thing is you have to try and see how they click. No telling unless you try. Somethings work great on paper but not on the ice. I would have Vesey on that 3rd line. I think Goody should be moved. I want our 4th line to be fast and heavy.
 
duhmetreE said:
I still think we need a 'matchup' line. I do not want Zibs to be that guy. He needs to turn the dial more to 5v5 creation/production.

Hopefully this is where Peca comes in. Trocheck is probably our best bet as 'that guy'. If we're going to give him our best defensive wingers, it'd probably look like Kreider Trocheck Vesey or Goodrow. This is assuming Laffy doesn't move to the right.

Panarin Zibs Kakko
Laffy Chytil Wheeler
Kreider Trocheck Vesey/Goodrow

Each line has a guy that can/will carry the puck up ice.
Each line has a forechecking presence.
Each line has possession potential
The top line has our 3 best players at their respective positions. Makes sense.
Our 'checking line' should be strong defensively while also being capable of producing offense/forechecking.
Laffy and Chytil get a veteran voice to help/guide them.

It makes sense, therefore I do not see it happening.
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Flip Kakko and Vesey
 
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Kre/Zib/Ves
Pan/Chy/Kak
Laf/Tro/Whe
Goo/Bon/Pit

This might be the best balance. Even 5v5 time for top three lines. If we aren't using the money to improve the top nine, then move Goodrow and slot in Cuylle.
 
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Avery16 said:
Kre/Zib/Ves
Pan/Chy/Kak
Laf/Tro/Whe
Goo/Bon/Pit

This might be the best balance. Even 5v5 time for top three lines. If we aren't using the money to improve the top nine, then move Goodrow and slot in Cuylle.
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I like this a lot. Lafreniere and Wheeler could be a great fit
 
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