Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[duhmetreE]

He does everything well that a center should except FacE0fFS

and play defense.
and be a playmaker.
suspect gamesense/IQ

but besides that he can skate and transition

 

[NYR Viper]

So Panarin vs Duchene and Goodrow...which is Panarin by a lot.

I don’t think it would be Goodrow. Maybe someone like Gustav Nyquist?

How does our drafting compare with other franchises? Quick look at carolina who by all accounts is well run: they had 27 2nd and 3rd rounders since 2013. Almost all are guys who never even touched nhl ice. But people will point to Aho and pretend that theyre a great drafting team.

Guys who are nhl regulars of those 27

Luostarinen (FLA)
Geekie (seattle)
Aho (carolina)
Foegele (edm)
Pesce (carolina)

As for the rangers only 2 nhl regulars in rounds 2-3 since 2013 and those are
Duclair
Buch

Rangers have had 22 round 2-3 picks since 2013

jesper fast is the no brainer to plug with chytil and bread, will speed that line up. Would love to see othmann with trocheck and kreider as that line would be a pain in the ass for opposing teams. The. 4th line something like cuylle-bjugstad-vesey

Laff-mika-kakko
Bread-chytil-fast
Kreider-trocheck-othmann
Cuylle-bjugstad-vesey

I just think othmann starts in hartford imo. Id sign motte but only on a 1 year because we have some prospects who can play his role on 4th line in 24-25 like sykora and perhaps even trivigno


The panarin takes here are wild lol. Hes a ppg player with an NMC and people want him in the bottom 6 LOL

I like the overall format of this. I’d move Vesey to line 3 and sign Leivo as a backfill and make sure Othmann isn’t rushed.

My fallback for the Panarin line would be someone like Nick Foligno

 

[TheDirtyH]

and play defense.
and be a playmaker.
suspect gamesense/IQ

but besides that he can skate and transition

he's on a team with wingers who exclusively pass the puck and/or play committed defensive games (Panarin, Kakko, Lafreniere, Vesey) and who cannot skate in transition (except Vese-God).

Seems like a good set of reasons to keep him at center than to move him to the wing...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

and play defense.
and be a playmaker.
suspect gamesense/IQ

but besides that he can skate and transition

- His defense isn't that bad. This is kind of becoming a Jovo esque meme. Don't be that guy.
- Fair, but there are a ton of centers in this league who aren't either.
- I'm relatively sure that the highest rate of high danger chances on net on the team come off of his stick. You don't do that with suspect IQ.

Tradtional playmaking centers are kind of dead. Wingers do that too now.

 

[haohmaru]

Did I hear right the other night that Vegas only had one player that they drafted in their lineup? I know they’ve only been around six years but that’s pretty remarkable.

 

[duhmetreE]

- His defense isn't that bad. This is kind of becoming a Jovo esque meme. Don't be that guy.
- Fair, but there are a ton of centers in this league who aren't either.
- I'm relatively sure that the highest rate of high danger chances on net on the team come off of his stick. You don't do that with suspect IQ.

Tradtional playmaking centers are kind of dead. Wingers do that too now.

His defense is bad. His positioning and awareness is bad. Faceoffs would fall under that category.. He's terrible in that regard. I don't know how you've come to the conclusion that this is a 'meme'. All of his strengths can be utilized at wing while his weaknesses aren't as pronounced. I've been waiting for him to improve year over year ( his 2way game ) but coaching and development doesn't happen in the NHL for the New York Rangers.

IMO he's a liability at Center. He was somehow better under Quinn from what I remember. He puck watches a lot and gets lost in coverage in our zone.

he's on a team with wingers who exclusively pass the puck and/or play committed defensive games (Panarin, Kakko, Lafreniere, Vesey) and who cannot skate in transition (except Vese-God).

Seems like a good set of reasons to keep him at center than to move him to the wing...

Not if Trocheck is his center.

it's all moot. They're not moving him but I think we'd be better served to have a stronger 2way Center in the middle6.

 

[bernmeister]

this team finishes 5th in the metro with duchene instead of panarin

stop w/win now
step backward to go multiple steps forward = win
losing bread's larger cap hit for multiple yrs = +, Duch is easier to move

 

[bernmeister]

....
The panarin takes here are wild lol. Hes a ppg player with an NMC and people want him in the bottom 6 LOL

Ef him and his nmc
He'll play the line he's told, and if he doesn't like it, he goes, taking most of his cap hit with him.
Learn
repeating same = getting more of the same

we MUST develop our youth

 

[duhmetreE]

our best bet with Panarin is to get him back to Torts' days.

I truly believe he could be that player again.... Panarin would be godtier with Brind'Amour.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

our best bet with Panarin is to get him back to Torts' days.

I truly believe he could be that player again.... Panarin would be godtier with Brind'Amour.

Yea but Drury wants nothing to do with a coach like that. He wants to hire a puppet that he can control.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Did I hear right the other night that Vegas only had one player that they drafted in their lineup? I know they’ve only been around six years but that’s pretty remarkable.

Vegas moved picks and prospects in some really great deals and some mediocre ones.
Vegas did a solid job drafting and trading.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Vegas moved picks and prospects in some really great deals and some mediocre ones.
Vegas did a solid job drafting and trading.

Vegas also had a ridiculous amount of capital to trade, considering the expansion draft they had.

 

[bhamill]

I don’t think this is the route Drury takes but Dubois is the kind of big body center who plays with an edge that it would be worthwhile to trade Lafreniere for. Still only 24. They can always play him or Chytil on the wing, you can never have enough guys who can play C. He’s had a history with Panarin(if that matters to anyone) but will also outlast him and he a part of the young core going forward. It’s at least worth exploring imo.

If he's going to bolt in a year, absolutely not. In fact give Laf another season to see his progress and just try to SIGN PLD next off season. If he wants to come here he will, otherwise he was going to walk anyway... I can't see spending an asset like Laf on him TBH.

 

[McRanger92]

If he's going to bolt in a year, absolutely not. In fact give Laf another season to see his progress and just try to SIGN PLD next off season. If he wants to come here he will, otherwise he was going to walk anyway... I can't see spending an asset like Laf on him TBH.

I wouldn’t trade Laf for 1 year of Dubois, only if he was extended

 

[bhamill]

The Rangers will be out from under Panarin/Trouba/Kreider in 3 years with a team full of 25 year olds. That ~26 mil will be reinvested, not sat on for another rebuild. We’ll be in on whatever stars are on the market at that time



I wouldn’t call it a disaster, but in a perfect world Lafreniere and Dubois would be great on a line together

McDavid may well be on the market in the '26 off season... perfect timing.

 

[TheDirtyH]

His defense is bad. His positioning and awareness is bad. Faceoffs would fall under that category.. He's terrible in that regard. I don't know how you've come to the conclusion that this is a 'meme'. All of his strengths can be utilized at wing while his weaknesses aren't as pronounced. I've been waiting for him to improve year over year ( his 2way game ) but coaching and development doesn't happen in the NHL for the New York Rangers.

IMO he's a liability at Center. He was somehow better under Quinn from what I remember. He puck watches a lot and gets lost in coverage in our zone.


Not if Trocheck is his center.

it's all moot. They're not moving him but I think we'd be better served to have a stronger 2way Center in the middle6.

Saying he's a liability at center feels like a stretch to me, particularly when his weaknesses are near-perfectly complimented by the majority of wingers on this team. You already have a stronger 2way center in the middle six in Trocheck as well. Also, much of that defensive play could presumably improve with a better team structure and more committed coaching as you allude to.

Seems to me this is borne out as well in the on-ice results. Is it important that he be a checking center if his line can consistently out-chance and out-score the opposition?

How can you be so confident that his strengths will translate so seamlessly to the wing? To my eyes, much of Chytil's success is directly related to how much he carries the puck up ice himself with a head of steam under him, working give and goes in transition, and find soft coverage in the middle of the ice in the offensive zone--he's a volume shooter, but significantly, he's a volume shooter from the middle of the ice. At the wing, he's not in a position nearly as often to carry the puck across both blue lines, he's not staying in motion as much, and he's probably not in a position to shoot from the middle as often.

So IDK. The way I see it, he's realizing his strengths as well as he is bc he's playing the right position to best leverage them.

 

[bhamill]

I wouldn’t trade Laf for 1 year of Dubois, only if he was extended

But I feel like why not take the chance on signing him for NO assets? And really, do we think Laf can't be scoring 63 points by his D+7? That was PLD this year... and Laf threw twice as many hits as him this year...

 

[McRanger92]

But I feel like why not take the chance on signing him for NO assets? And really, do we think Laf can't be scoring 63 points by his D+7? That was PLD this year... and Laf threw twice as many hits as him this year...

I’m a believer in Lafreniere but Dubois is underrated. Only 24 and already has 3 60 point seasons. Would be a long term investment too.

I don’t think Drury will trade a kid though, and I think it’s more likely he makes moves tk accommodate them

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Ef him and his nmc
He'll play the line he's told, and if he doesn't like it, he goes, taking most of his cap hit with him.
Learn
repeating same = getting more of the same

we MUST develop our youth

Someone wanna tell this guy what an NMC means… lol

 

[bhamill]

I’m a believer in Lafreniere but Dubois is underrated. Only 24 and already has 3 60 point seasons. Would be a long term investment too.

I don’t think Drury will trade a kid though, and I think it’s more likely he makes moves tk accommodate them

Yeah I think PLD can still be more, he's only 25 (this month). But if he tops out around 65 again next year I think its time to say that's his level.

 

[UnparalledPark]

UFA Centers that could possibly be obtained for 3,5 million or less while putting Trochek at RW since we have been unable to satisfy the RW need post Buch:

Eric Haula
Jonathan Toews
Pius Suter
Max Domi
Evan Rodrigues
David Kampf
Noel Acciari
Sean Monahan
Jonathan Druid
David Krejci

Granted some are more realistic than others, but there are very few capable RW available in FA And it’s depressing giving away high draft picks for RWs that will be gone in 2 months.

 

[Hitch16]

NO
no effin concession to the bread

Advance kid line to 2nd or even 1st line
Othmann to Kreid-Zib, if he's way over his head, then righty shot w/speed Brod to that line RW.
Panarin to 3rd line
If he doesn't like it, it will help prompt him to waive.

Bern - I understand the sentiment. I am not privy to the mindset of these guys. Heck, even on the coaching thread, there is frustration on the lack of information. In this cap and NMC. NTC world, I was musing on what seems realistic.

Panarin doesn't seem too anxious to leave. In fact to my ignorant eyes, he seems very content here. Perhaps the appearance of complacency. The playoffs and a Stanley Cup are the ultimate goal and Panarin's recent playoffs are concerning. He is a PPG player for the regular season and I fear removing him from the roster and possibly eating salary or an asset to do so (even if he agrees to move) is not optimal. Just my opinion which everyone have and they all, well....

 

[Synergy27]

So Panarin vs Duchene and Goodrow...which is Panarin by a lot.

Panarin and Duchene are very similar statistically at 5v5 over the past couple of years. Panarin’s overall numbers are better because he is good on the PP. I think Panarin is the third or fourth wheel (after Fox, Kreider, and Zib) on our PP though which is interesting.

Give me the cap space and the guy that skates/create HDCF.

 

[NYR Viper]

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Panarin and Duchene are very similar statistically at 5v5 over the past couple of years. Panarin’s overall numbers are better because he is good on the PP. I think Panarin is the third or fourth wheel (after Fox, Kreider, and Zib) on our PP though which is interesting.

Give me the cap space and the guy that skates/create HDCF.

I looked at this a while back and found the same. Duchene could slot in at RW and doesn’t have any trade protection. A year or two from now if the team needs cap space it’s easier to move Duchene.

 

[duhmetreE]

If we could somehow make it work cap-wise, would you give up our 1st round pick for PLD?

It'd have to take some cap gymnastics... WPG qualifies him at $6M for a year and eats $1M in a trade to us. We then extend him.

p.s. it's semi serious but interesting.

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Panarin and Duchene are very similar statistically at 5v5 over the past couple of years. Panarin’s overall numbers are better because he is good on the PP. I think Panarin is the third or fourth wheel (after Fox, Kreider, and Zib) on our PP though which is interesting.

Give me the cap space and the guy that skates/create HDCF.

people keep using regular season numbers but the issue has become the post-season. Can Panarin turn it around? sure. But he's been abysmal for us in the post-season. He's making 11.6M.