Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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Shows how bad Rangers suck at scouting. How can they mess up drafts year after year?


They messed some high picks but 2017 got us Chytil and Barron which were both good picks for their position.
We got Miller and Lundkvist out of 2018
And since then we've nabbed Jones in the 3rd, Schneider, Othmann and Sykora. And that's with no mention of Laf and KK who were no-brainers.

Andersson and Krav were shit picks (although neither were really 'out there' either) but compared to some periods of NYR, and wider league, drafting the past half decade has been fine
 
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What level would that qualify as? and how do we know that? Perhaps he grabs the opportunity and advances. There are infinite factors at play, the margin for moderate success or failure is slight.

The level for Lockwood is incompetent NHL player and for Blidh highly detrimental NHL player so it's not much of a bar to clear.
 
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What level would that qualify as? and how do we know that? Perhaps he grabs the opportunity and advances. There are infinite factors at play, the margin for moderate success or failure is slight.

The issue I have is not with the ‘perhaps’, it’s with the relying on. It’s one thing to give him a real opportunity to win a spot against someone like Leivo or someone like that. It’s another to gift him a spot.
 
Laf, Kakko, Chytil, Miller, Othmann are all 23 and under. 30 teams in the league would trip over their own feet running to the phone to get any of these players. Rangers have made some mistakes like all teams do, but they don't necessarily suck at drafting. They and the fan base suck at having patience. They suck at developing players. You can't take your top end young skilled players neuter them and tell them to play like 3rd and 4th line grinding numbskull neanderthals, and be surprised when they don't work out.

Some teams pick up our failed draft picks and turn them into useful players. Once they get away from the Rangers retirement resort old-boys club and century-old mentality of how young guys need to toil in the bottom before getting anything resembling an actual fair shake, they suddenly look like good players. Not the fake 10 game try out. Actual sustained season-long opportunities in big spots.

It's not a coincidence that so many players come through here and it's always the same results. Maybe it's not the players at that point but instead it's the Rangers inability to develop any player and the fans fault for pressuring the team because they need instant gratification.

And this extends not just to drafted players, but young players acquired through trades and UDFAs.

There's three examples in the Stanley Cup Final right now. Duclair, Howden, Marchessault. They weren't good enough for the Rangers high horse and cla$$ but they're good enough to contend for a Cup elsewhere while the Rangers and their bright lights are golfing, and one of them most likely high and DJing every night instead of trying to be a better hockey player.
 
I think its time to sink or swim. Ride out the Panarin contract with the youth we have while plugging bottom 6 holes with high energy guys on the cheap.

Kreider Zibanejad Kakko
Lafreniere Chytil Trocheck
Panarin UFA Vesey
Cullye Goodrow Motte


Miller Fox
Jones Trouba
Lindgren Schneider
 
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Laf, Kakko, Chytil, Miller, Othmann are all 23 and under. 30 teams in the league would trip over their own feet running to the phone to get any of these players. Rangers have made some mistakes like all teams do, but they don't necessarily suck at drafting. They and the fan base suck at having patience. They suck at developing players. You can't take your top end young skilled players neuter them and tell them to play like 3rd and 4th line grinding numbskull neanderthals, and be surprised when they don't work out.

Some teams pick up our failed draft picks and turn them into useful players. Once they get away from the Rangers retirement resort old-boys club and century-old mentality of how young guys need to toil in the bottom before getting anything resembling an actual fair shake, they suddenly look like good players. Not the fake 10 game try out. Actual sustained season-long opportunities in big spots.

It's not a coincidence that so many players come through here and it's always the same results. Maybe it's not the players at that point but instead it's the Rangers inability to develop any player and the fans fault for pressuring the team because they need instant gratification.

And this extends not just to drafted players, but young players acquired through trades and UDFAs.

There's three examples in the Stanley Cup Final right now. Duclair, Howden, Marchessault. They weren't good enough for the Rangers high horse and cla$$ but they're good enough to contend for a Cup elsewhere while the Rangers and their bright lights are golfing, and one of them most likely high and DJing every night instead of trying to be a better hockey player.

Duclair also wasn't good enough for Arizona, Chicago, Ottawa, or Columbus.
Marchessault also wasn't good enough for Columbus, Tampa, or Florida.

There are 40 active players in every game of the SCF. Do you think it likely that 0 of the 40 would be former Rangers?
 
I think its time to sink or swim. Ride out the Panarin contract with the youth we have while plugging bottom 6 holes with high energy guys on the cheap.

Kreider Zibanejad Kakko
Lafreniere Chytil Trocheck
Panarin UFA Vesey
Cullye Goodrow Motte


Miller Fox
Jones Trouba
Lindgren Schneider
I like your idea of riding the Panarin contract (Trouba's contract also expires at the same time). I would keep Trocheck at CENTER and either move Chytil to the WING or have him as the CENTER on another line.
 
I like your idea of riding the Panarin contract (Trouba's contract also expires at the same time). I would keep Trocheck at CENTER and either move Chytil to the WING or have him as the CENTER on another line.
Probably the better move - I shouldnt have attempted a projected lineup before my second coffee. Either way, I think we need to ride out these contracts and then retool. Its not unprecedented. Going to require some tidy GMing by Drury but there’s a path to consistent contention
 
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Probably the better move - I shouldnt have attempted a projected lineup before my second coffee. Either way, I think we need to ride out these contracts and then retool. Its not unprecedented. Going to require some tidy GMing by Drury but there’s a path to consistent contention
It's the boring option and our fanbase is impatient. Even at my older age, I'd be lying if I didn't admit seeing Kane and Tarasenko in the Ranger jersey was exciting. However, the way we were bounced and of course Drury and the front office silence has us not feeling confident.

I think that this roster with the core as it is can win with the proper players filling out the depth. I know being too optimistic can be looked upon poorly, I think we are still in good shape for next year and here is an unpopular take, but for the short term, whoever they decide on as a coach, this team is a playoff team next year.
 
Laf, Kakko, Chytil, Miller, Othmann are all 23 and under. 30 teams in the league would trip over their own feet running to the phone to get any of these players. Rangers have made some mistakes like all teams do, but they don't necessarily suck at drafting. They and the fan base suck at having patience. They suck at developing players. You can't take your top end young skilled players neuter them and tell them to play like 3rd and 4th line grinding numbskull neanderthals, and be surprised when they don't work out.

Some teams pick up our failed draft picks and turn them into useful players. Once they get away from the Rangers retirement resort old-boys club and century-old mentality of how young guys need to toil in the bottom before getting anything resembling an actual fair shake, they suddenly look like good players. Not the fake 10 game try out. Actual sustained season-long opportunities in big spots.

It's not a coincidence that so many players come through here and it's always the same results. Maybe it's not the players at that point but instead it's the Rangers inability to develop any player and the fans fault for pressuring the team because they need instant gratification.

And this extends not just to drafted players, but young players acquired through trades and UDFAs.

There's three examples in the Stanley Cup Final right now. Duclair, Howden, Marchessault. They weren't good enough for the Rangers high horse and cla$$ but they're good enough to contend for a Cup elsewhere while the Rangers and their bright lights are golfing, and one of them most likely high and DJing every night instead of trying to be a better hockey player.
Stop with the duclair madness hes been on like 10 teams. Howden is a 4C. Howden aint changing whether u win or lose
 
I like your idea of riding the Panarin contract (Trouba's contract also expires at the same time). I would keep Trocheck at CENTER and either move Chytil to the WING or have him as the CENTER on another line.
I like Trochek on Chytils wing for face off and defensive reasons, and the fact that we can never seem to find a decent RW for this team. There are some decent 3rd line C opportunities this year in FA that might be had for 3 mil or less.
 
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Shows how bad Rangers suck at scouting. How can they mess up drafts year after year?

The Rangers should cut off the pension for that retiring scout who begged the Rangers to take Lisa Andersson(no autocorrect)
 
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We've mad some really bad draft choices the past 15 years, IDK how anyone can deny it.

Andersson, McIlrath, Kravtsov as high choices.

Wasted 2nd round picks on Lindbom, Lafleur, and Halverson. Gropp and Thomas did nothing. Henriksson is set to join them.

The last successful NYR 2nd round pick was Derek Stepan in 2008.

NYR better hope Cuylle/Robertson and Jones work out otherwise we're 0-for in rounds 2-3 since Buchnevich. Last late pick to make a difference excluding Barron was Jesper Fast.

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We've mad some really bad draft choices the past 15 years, IDK how anyone can deny it.

Andersson, McIlrath, Kravtsov as high choices.

Wasted 2nd round picks on Lindbom, Lafleur, and Halverson. Gropp and Thomas did nothing. Henriksson is set to join them.

The last successful NYR 2nd round pick was Derek Stepan in 2008.

NYR better hope Cuylle/Robertson and Jones work out otherwise we're 0-for in rounds 2-3 since Buchnevich. Last late pick to make a difference excluding Barron was Jesper Fast.

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I think when Drury took over he fired almost the entire scouting staff, if I'm remembering correctly. Also Gorton re-hired a bunch of them in Montreal and it looks like they bombed their 1st overall pick so far. So we got that going for us. lol
 
I like Trochek on Chytils wing for face off and defensive reasons, and the fact that we can never seem to find a decent RW for this team. There are some decent 3rd line C opportunities this year in FA that might be had for 3 mil or less.
I have to admit that when I read this I was a bit surprised because I thought Trochek had the best face off percentage on the team. I wasn't sure if you based your post on the Regular Season or Playoffs night.
 
We've mad some really bad draft choices the past 15 years, IDK how anyone can deny it.

Andersson, McIlrath, Kravtsov as high choices.

Wasted 2nd round picks on Lindbom, Lafleur, and Halverson. Gropp and Thomas did nothing. Henriksson is set to join them.

The last successful NYR 2nd round pick was Derek Stepan in 2008.

NYR better hope Cuylle/Robertson and Jones work out otherwise we're 0-for in rounds 2-3 since Buchnevich. Last late pick to make a difference excluding Barron was Jesper Fast.

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You could take almost every single team in the league and say “over the past 15 years” they made some bad draft choices.

Kakko, Lafreniere, Chytil, Schneider, Kreider, Shesterkin, Miller were all Rangers picks.

Othmann, Cuylle, Sykora, Berard, Robertson, Jones, Edstrom, Garand all look particularly promising in different ways. Hopefully 3-4 of those guys make it.

Fox and Lindgren were acquired as prospects and made NHL debuts with the Rangers.

Zibanejad was acquired as a young pro and developed on the Rangers.

I’ll give you the mid round picks in recent drafts (like 2014-20) have not developed well. But going back 15 years is a bit much. It’s a crapshoot.
 
The Lias and Kravtsov picks were bad picks on draft day.

It didn't help that we had a group of fans cherry picking the most irrelevant and made-up stats in their D+1 and D+2 in an attempt to hype them up.

They show up to North America and were terrible. That wasn't the Rangers development team, those two were just flat out not good enough. At some point the players gotta look in the mirror. All Lias and Krav did was cry and make excuses, it was embarassing.
 
I really like the idea of a line of

Kreider-Chytil-Trochek

My issue then goes to, who the hell plays 3C with Panarin tied to their hip for peanuts because the team doesn’t have cap space.

I still think a basis of the below makes sense.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Chytil-________
Kreider-Trochek-_______

Go find a couple of RW’s who can be slotted on either line for small contracts and move forward. I like Foligno, Leivo, Fast, Vesey(obviously already signed) and possibly someone like Labanc or Garland if bought out. I’d really like Connor Brown but I’m concerned about his next contract being too expensive for this year.

If Othmann pushes his way on to the team then that’s a good problem to have.

I’ll say this, if there is some money available to be spent, I’d rather go inexpensive on the open forward slots with some good competition (sign 4 guys for 2 spots), and find a way to sign Gustafsson. I think moving the puck more efficiently out of their zone is more important than the difference between say Brown and Leivo or Hinostrozza
 
I also don't think it's a coincidence that the one 1st round forward we drafted the past 6 years with above average skating ability also happens to be the most successful of the bunch so far.
 
I have to admit that when I read this I was a bit surprised because I thought Trochek had the best face off percentage on the team. I wasn't sure if you based your post on the Regular Season or Playoffs night.
I meant with Trochek on Chytils line, he can take the face offs since it’s not Fil’s forte.
 
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