Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[NYR Viper]

What about some RFA’s who probably won’t be qualified

Gurianov
Puljujaarvi
Comtois

I’d consider taking a flyer on one of them

 

[bernmeister]

I think its time to sink or swim. Ride out the Panarin contract with the youth we have while plugging bottom 6 holes with high energy guys on the cheap.

Kreider Zibanejad Kakko
Lafreniere Chytil Trocheck
Panarin UFA Vesey
Cullye Goodrow Motte


Miller Fox
Jones Trouba
Lindgren Schneider

I like your idea of riding the Panarin contract (Trouba's contract also expires at the same time). I would keep Trocheck at CENTER and either move Chytil to the WING or have him as the CENTER on another line.

NO
no effin concession to the bread

Advance kid line to 2nd or even 1st line
Othmann to Kreid-Zib, if he's way over his head, then righty shot w/speed Brod to that line RW.
Panarin to 3rd line
If he doesn't like it, it will help prompt him to waive.

Panarin will not wait to very last minute to waive
obv he is not getting renewed, let alone anything even remotely close to his current contract.

Also
pls just keep kid line together
don't push any one of them up and break up chemistry
promote entire line as is, they all deserve it, best chance for predictable success

 

[UnparalledPark]

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I’m pretty sure Trochek played at least one season at RW with Carolina. Besides, Chytils should be moved to LW.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I’m pretty sure Trochek played at least one season at RW with Carolina. Besides, Chytils should be moved to LW.

This Chytil to wing should be done.
He’s had time at wing and looked bad, he’s a center, he’s average defensively and he’s great at puck transition.
He doesn’t win draws but that’s not the end of the world.

 

[UnparalledPark]

I’m pretty sure Trochek played at least one season at RW with Carolina. Besides, Chytils should be moved to LW.

Meant to put a smiley emoji at the end. LOL

 

[duhmetreE]

I meant with Trochek on Chytils line, he can take the face offs since it’s not Fil’s forte.

Center duties overall aren't Chytil's forte.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I don’t think this is the route Drury takes but Dubois is the kind of big body center who plays with an edge that it would be worthwhile to trade Lafreniere for. Still only 24. They can always play him or Chytil on the wing, you can never have enough guys who can play C. He’s had a history with Panarin(if that matters to anyone) but will also outlast him and he a part of the young core going forward. It’s at least worth exploring imo.

Trading for Dubois is a waste of assets, he wants to go to MTL.

The only way we move on from Shesterkin is if Garand becomes a number 1 and it won't happen until then and it would make sense at that point.

 

[duhmetreE]

Would Nashville do, Panarin for Duchene + 1st?

Would Panarin waive?

Would Drury do that?

 

[NYR Viper]

Would Nashville do, Panarin for Duchene + 1st?

Would Panarin waive?

Would Drury do that?

I’d do that

Yes I think so although others will disagree

I hope so

 

[IDvsEGO]

Would Nashville do, Panarin for Duchene + 1st?

Would Panarin waive?

Would Drury do that?

Id rather do Panarin for mcdonagh and a first.
But no Panarin would not do that.

 

[tomobson]

This Chytil to wing should be done.
He’s had time at wing and looked bad, he’s a center, he’s average defensively and he’s great at puck transition.
He doesn’t win draws but that’s not the end of the world.

He had a good stint at RW with Panarin/Strome. Chytil's speed is desperately needed in the top 6. The way I see it either Chytil or Trocheck needs to move to RW. Maybe at the deadline the rangers can make a trade to move one of them back to center for the third line. Rangers are starting to pay Chytil real money this season but what kind of production are we going to expect from him if he's the 3rd line center with Kakko now moving up the lineup. Better to let Goodrow or some vet 3c mentor a rookie on the third line.

Also, Panarin with Mika please. It doesn't really make sense to pair Panarin with Chytil or Trocheck. Rangers are going to have the same issue with the top six playing almost exclusively off the rush and on the perimeter. Put Panarin with Mika and now you have that contained to only one line. Mika and Panarin are the players they are at this point. A coach might be able to get them to forecheck hard but trying to get to them to create off the cycle is just asking for trouble. You have to play in to what makes those two players unique. Mika waits for the puck to get him and Panarin loves to force passes. One has a great shot and already floats in the ozone and the other has great vision. Give them Kakko to win the loose puck/board battles and then crash the net. There aren't many players that do those things better than Kakko and he's cheap plus has the offensive potential to actually produce instead of being some crash test dummy. Now, the rangers can have buzzsaw lines for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines.

I would love a Kreider/Trocheck/Chytil 2nd line. Or Laf as the LW to spread out the speed. Then you can give a rookie a cup of tea with two vets on the third line. Kreider/Goodrow or vet 3c/Othmann. That would be a nice way to break in a rookie.

 

[IDvsEGO]

He had a good stint at RW with Panarin/Strome. Chytil's speed is desperately needed in the top 6. The way I see it either Chytil or Trocheck needs to move to RW. Maybe at the deadline the rangers can make a trade to move one of them back to center for the third line. Rangers are starting to pay Chytil real money this season but what kind of production are we going to expect from him if he's the 3rd line center with Kakko now moving up the lineup. Better to let Goodrow or some vet 3c mentor a rookie on the third line.

Also, Panarin with Mika please. It doesn't really make sense to pair Panarin with Chytil or Trocheck. Rangers are going to have the same issue with the top six playing almost exclusively off the rush and on the perimeter. Put Panarin with Mika and now you have that contained to only one line. Mika and Panarin are the players they are at this point. A coach might be able to get them to forecheck hard but trying to get to them to create off the cycle is just asking for trouble. You have to play in to what makes those two players unique. Mika waits for the puck to get him and Panarin loves to force passes. One has a great shot and already floats in the ozone and the other has great vision. Give them Kakko to win the loose puck/board battles and then crash the net. There aren't many players that do those things better than Kakko and he's cheap plus has the offensive potential to actually produce instead of being some crash test dummy. Now, the rangers can have buzzsaw lines for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines.

I would love a Kreider/Trocheck/Chytil 2nd line. Or Laf as the LW to spread out the speed. Then you can give a rookie a cup of tea with two vets on the third line. Kreider/Goodrow or vet 3c/Othmann. That would be a nice way to break in a rookie.

So we currently have 3 top 6 centers for what the past 30 years, including an actual 1C, and the suggestion is to move one of them to winger so our 3rd center can be a 4c again?

Trocheck Kreider and vesey on the third line is a really good line.
Chytil on the 2nd line is the right choice, and I don’t disagree about needing his speed in the top 6.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I’d do that

Yes I think so although others will disagree

I hope so

I think the answer to "Would Panarin do that" is too difficult to forecast. You just never know what is going through the players head. Has he had enough of the pressure to win in NY? Or maybe he doesn't mind it since he never does interviews anyway. Are there specific cities that he would like to live in, or is it NY or bust for him? Will never know. Hopefully Drury knows.

 

[zlev]

this team finishes 5th in the metro with duchene instead of panarin

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Ah we're back to the Chytil is not a center convo.

This is fun.

 

[NYR Viper]

this team finishes 5th in the metro with duchene instead of panarin

It’s not Panarin versus Duchene. It’s Panarin versus Duchene + $3.5m in cap space

 

[Machinehead]

Ah we're back to the Chytil is not a center convo.

This is fun.

He does everything well that a center should except FacE0fFS

 

[NYR Viper]

My issue with Chytil or Trochek to RW is that the team then needs a 3C. Unless they can find one super cheap, it doesn’t make sense.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

this team finishes 5th in the metro with duchene instead of panarin

Sweet, we would be in the same exact spot we were in after we got eliminated by the Devils but would have the 13th pick instead of the 23rd.

 

[NYR Viper]

I wonder what Sean Monahan will want on his next deal. Yes he’s not perfect but he would help with the face off issue with Chytil and could probably be coaxed to come, rebuild his value and play with Panarin.

Panarin-Chytil-Monahan

 

[SA16]

It’s not Panarin versus Duchene. It’s Panarin versus Duchene + $3.5m in cap space

So Panarin vs Duchene and Goodrow...which is Panarin by a lot.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I also don't think it's a coincidence that the one 1st round forward we drafted the past 6 years with above average skating ability also happens to be the most successful of the bunch so far.

I credit it more to his insane work ethic and commitment to reinventing himself along the way as the game and his skills changed. Truly, it can’t be understated what an outlier Kreider is on that front.

NYR drafting leaves a lot to be desired beyond round 1 as of late, definitely agree with that. But they were probably also on a bit of a heater relative to the league average rate of success from about 2006-2010. With 2013 also being a banner year. Since 2015 is has been LEAN.

But the inability to produce top offensive talent basically ever over our entire lifetimes (including unanimous consensus 1OA and 2OA picks) leads me to believe drafting isn’t the whole story here.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

this team finishes 5th in the metro with duchene instead of panarin

Once playoffs come around it doesnt matter if you have Duchene or Panarin, you're going to need to know how to win without Panarin.

Would much rather this team address the rest of the underlying roster issues so that they can win in BOTH the regular and post season.

Should be very clear to everyone on these boards that no team that relies on Panarin to win, will ever win a stanley cup.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Once playoffs come around it doesnt matter if you have Duchene or Panarin, you're going to need to know how to win without Panarin.

Would much rather this team address the rest of the underlying roster issues so that they can win in BOTH the regular and post season.

Should be very clear to everyone on these boards that no team that relies on Panarin to win, will ever win a stanley cup.

This x1000000000000000000.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

We've mad some really bad draft choices the past 15 years, IDK how anyone can deny it.

Andersson, McIlrath, Kravtsov as high choices.

Wasted 2nd round picks on Lindbom, Lafleur, and Halverson. Gropp and Thomas did nothing. Henriksson is set to join them.

The last successful NYR 2nd round pick was Derek Stepan in 2008.

NYR better hope Cuylle/Robertson and Jones work out otherwise we're 0-for in rounds 2-3 since Buchnevich. Last late pick to make a difference excluding Barron was Jesper Fast.

Awful

How does our drafting compare with other franchises? Quick look at carolina who by all accounts is well run: they had 27 2nd and 3rd rounders since 2013. Almost all are guys who never even touched nhl ice. But people will point to Aho and pretend that theyre a great drafting team.

Guys who are nhl regulars of those 27

Luostarinen (FLA)
Geekie (seattle)
Aho (carolina)
Foegele (edm)
Pesce (carolina)

As for the rangers only 2 nhl regulars in rounds 2-3 since 2013 and those are
Duclair
Buch

Rangers have had 22 round 2-3 picks since 2013

I really like the idea of a line of

Kreider-Chytil-Trochek

My issue then goes to, who the hell plays 3C with Panarin tied to their hip for peanuts because the team doesn’t have cap space.

I still think a basis of the below makes sense.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Chytil-________
Kreider-Trochek-_______

Go find a couple of RW’s who can be slotted on either line for small contracts and move forward. I like Foligno, Leivo, Fast, Vesey(obviously already signed) and possibly someone like Labanc or Garland if bought out. I’d really like Connor Brown but I’m concerned about his next contract being too expensive for this year.

If Othmann pushes his way on to the team then that’s a good problem to have.

I’ll say this, if there is some money available to be spent, I’d rather go inexpensive on the open forward slots with some good competition (sign 4 guys for 2 spots), and find a way to sign Gustafsson. I think moving the puck more efficiently out of their zone is more important than the difference between say Brown and Leivo or Hinostrozza

jesper fast is the no brainer to plug with chytil and bread, will speed that line up. Would love to see othmann with trocheck and kreider as that line would be a pain in the ass for opposing teams. The. 4th line something like cuylle-bjugstad-vesey

Laff-mika-kakko
Bread-chytil-fast
Kreider-trocheck-othmann
Cuylle-bjugstad-vesey

I just think othmann starts in hartford imo. Id sign motte but only on a 1 year because we have some prospects who can play his role on 4th line in 24-25 like sykora and perhaps even trivigno

NO
no effin concession to the bread

Advance kid line to 2nd or even 1st line
Othmann to Kreid-Zib, if he's way over his head, then righty shot w/speed Brod to that line RW.
Panarin to 3rd line
If he doesn't like it, it will help prompt him to waive.

Panarin will not wait to very last minute to waive
obv he is not getting renewed, let alone anything even remotely close to his current contract.

Also
pls just keep kid line together
don't push any one of them up and break up chemistry
promote entire line as is, they all deserve it, best chance for predictable success

The panarin takes here are wild lol. Hes a ppg player with an NMC and people want him in the bottom 6 LOL