Lets say hypothetically come spring 2024 rangers get bounced in 1st or 2nd round. You move trouba and kreider next offseason, no?
Trouba will have 2 years left 8mill cap hit but only $6mill salary each of those years. He’ll have a limited NTC but reality is if you tell him youre moving him, hes going where you find a suitor.
Kreider will likewise have a limited NTC at a $6.5 cap hit but only $5 mill salary each year on the remaining 3 years.
Im curious what these guys could fetch. Trouba more of a salary dump so maybe if were lucky we dont have to attach assets as im sure theres a smaller market capfloor team that would want him for vet presence so maybe a 3rd and C level prospect.
Kreider is interesting, with the cap going up if he remains a 30+ goal scorer net front presence we can probably get a decent return for him.
What do you guys think
1. At sq. 1 have an open mind, no sacred cows, and theoretically everyone can be had for a price.
2. Having observed that, make reasonable projections and compare cost of loss of player production vs better upside/improved cap.
As relates to Trouba, the lean is heavy yes, but it depends on how much cap we eat, as well as the return.
Is Trouba now -> after next season projected to be sufficiently mobile to remain RD? Is that ? answered by who is his LD partner on a successful suitor.
Trouba has alternate value as 4RW checking W who can lay out and extract heavy toll on top line opponents. Obv that is also not at 8m per.
So the answer is
it depends on offers we must first establish as reasonably likely
vs
cost of keeping [what retaining cap hit will cost us*]
* this depends on how much the cap goes up, and more signif, if we have been able to unload Panarin before. IMO bread will not wait until the last minute to waive, but he will want to control where. We should push hard to deal him to Nash now, being less concerned about the return and be grateful for most cap we can recover.
Kreider I see worth more to keep than deal.
It’s easy to hate on Trouba, but I think it would surprise a lot of ppl here how much he’s valued by the rest of the league, especially with the upcoming cap growth. If you think that sounds crazy, look no further than what Risto returned. Like him or hate him, he’s a bit of a unicorn in today’s game with a profile many GMs salivate over.
This ^, but with a grain of salt.
Size and power who can 'skate' yes; but can he keep up as a RD as younger Fs get faster? Not sure I'd say 'unicorn', that's a tad generous. But overall, point is well taken.
Shesh for Gibson and McTavish get er done!
I like McTavish but no, we can do better.
Howev, I could be open to that if we keep McT and can flip Gib for a good return from, say, EDM.
We roll w/Talbot/Halak = stopgaps and break in/hand over starter job to Garand
The fact we effed up so much by not doing bern moves to date means we either go slow + steady, or go slow + steady w/couple of gambles to sell high [Shesty/Lindgren] to augment the process.
Has no one watched the playoffs?
Are we cool with just being a good regular season team?
Look at the 2 teams in the finals. They got there because they inflicted the most damage of any other teams. They have enough skill on top of it. But carnage got them there.
Look at the Lightning before them. Carnage.
We lost to the Lightning last year because the damage they inflicted on us caught up to us.
Kane is already damaged. Our team is already soft. We have no cap space.
Can we be a serious hockey team for once or do we have to New York Rangers/James Dolan every decision?
No to Kane.
Play Kakko in your top 6. Develop Othmann.
Add speed and big bodies at the deadline who can go to war and play playoff style hockey.
Barbashev or Meier were the players to go and get.
Chris Drury better come up with a plan. And he better stick to it. Or he should go. Gutless GM gave into the owner instead of sticking to his guns. And that decision will continue to reverberate for years. Drury proved himself to be an unserious GM with limited integrity and vision. Then he fired his coach with zero plan to replace him with anything but more mediocrity and zero vision.
Drury needs to go.
Dolan needs to sell.
And Patrick Kane is going to be hot garbage this season if he does comeback from that brutal surgery. Even so, use the cap space to sign a legitimate playoff piece and not someone who will sell jerseys at the pro shop.
Agree w/this, except I am not gonna jump on dolan for cutting checks and listening to Slats etc when he doesn't know any better.
Dolan needs to be educated.
He thought Isaiah Thomas was an answer for Knicks, and it took him a long time to realize that was not the case.
Anyone wanna hook up an appt w/Dolan and me, I will do it for free/donation to Garden of Dreams, whenev mutually convenient.
