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Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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bernmeister said:
IMO
1. bread has full nmc so he will call the shots on this
2. stands to reason, he KNOWS he is NOT getting a new deal here, let alone anywhere REMOTELY close to his current $ #. He won't want to stick around til the last minute, so there is hope, although how soon he chooses to exit remains to be seen.

3. Cost: assuming he goes to teams he feels = comfortable fit, and Nashville is, the formula =
-- how many such teams [smaller # than all teams]
-- to what extent competitive bids are offered
-- of those, how many are in preferred currency for Rangers?

4. Understood some cap has to go the other way.
Rs will want as much cap relief as possible.

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Given this ^ what do you suggest?
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Breadman for Duchene + mid pick. Trotz has openly asked for vets with high cap. Interview today. He said he is looking for vets with high contracts. Team's have called him with high contracts. (Doing the math Preds should have 12-14 mil in cap AFTER signing everyone). Preds offer a state with no income tax. (I am a Preds fan living in NY state. I f***ing know the tax rate, or dear god I know.)


After tax income in NYC 9.65% vs TN 0% That is the incentive for Breadman

Cap wise? Bread is $11,642,875 vs Duchene's rate of $8 mil flat. $3,642,875 for 3 years. Both contracts are the same length. For the Preds that is $10.9 mil in cap

It is also a hockey move. Bread is a LW, Duchene a RW.

If you are into Corsi: Duchene is CF% of 58.4

I also hope this can lead an avenue to trade some of Nashville's midpicks for your 1st

This is my case for a deal
 
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BigFatCat999 said:
Breadman for Duchene + mid pick. Trotz has openly asked for vets with high cap. Interview today. He said he is looking for vets with high contracts. Team's have called him with high contracts. (Doing the math Preds should have 12-14 mil in cap AFTER signing everyone). Preds offer a state with no income tax. (I am a Preds fan living in NY state. I f***ing know the tax rate, or dear god I know.)


After tax income in NYC 9.65% vs TN 0% That is the incentive for Breadman

Cap wise? Bread is $11,642,875 vs Duchene's rate of $8 mil flat. $3,642,875 for 3 years. Both contracts are the same length. For the Preds that is $10.9 mil in cap

It is also a hockey move. Bread is a LW, Duchene a RW.

If you are into Corsi: Duchene is CF% of 58.4

I also hope this can lead an avenue to trade some of Nashville's midpicks for your 1st

This is my case for a deal
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I think we might be on to something here. Might be a situation where all parties end up happy in the end
 
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BigFatCat999 said:
Could you see a megadeal? Bread and 1st for Duchene and a TON of picks?
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Highly doubtful. I’d just be content to be rid of Panarin and continue building the roster the way they’ve been going. He is still a great player we just can’t afford to continue to overpay him when he’s blocking Lafreniere and not showing up in the playoffs

huerter said:
Can we incorporate Trouba and McD?
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Imagine they moved Panarin for McDonagh lmao. What a trip that would be
 
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McRanger92 said:
Highly doubtful. I’d just be content to be rid of Panarin and continue building the roster the way they’ve been going. He is still a great player we just can’t afford to continue to overpay him when he’s blocking Lafreniere and not showing up in the playoffs



Imagine they moved Panarin for McDonagh lmao. What a trip that would be
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Works for me. Preds have 13! picks so Let's say Bread for Duchene and a 4th?

and wow, Preds have 24 and NYR have 23.
 
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Vitto79 said:
Sissons for Goodrow make any sense ?
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If we are trading Goodrow, it's almost certainly for cap space, so why would we replace him with someone making nearly as much?

Goodrow has 4 years left to Sissons' 3, and is owed significantly more money (15.1 mil to 7.625 mil). What is the incentive for Nashville to make that trade?
 
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GAGLine said:
If we are trading Goodrow, it's almost certainly for cap space, so why would we replace him with someone making nearly as much?

Goodrow has 4 years left to Sissons' 3, and is owed significantly more money (15.1 mil to 7.625 mil). What is the incentive for Nashville to make that trade?
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My thought was Goodrow fits Trots system assuming Brunette does the same

They have cap space . Sissons moves cap dollars back
 
BigFatCat999 said:
Breadman for Duchene + mid pick. Trotz has openly asked for vets with high cap. Interview today. He said he is looking for vets with high contracts. Team's have called him with high contracts. (Doing the math Preds should have 12-14 mil in cap AFTER signing everyone). Preds offer a state with no income tax. (I am a Preds fan living in NY state. I f***ing know the tax rate, or dear god I know.)


After tax income in NYC 9.65% vs TN 0% That is the incentive for Breadman

Cap wise? Bread is $11,642,875 vs Duchene's rate of $8 mil flat. $3,642,875 for 3 years. Both contracts are the same length. For the Preds that is $10.9 mil in cap

It is also a hockey move. Bread is a LW, Duchene a RW.

If you are into Corsi: Duchene is CF% of 58.4

I also hope this can lead an avenue to trade some of Nashville's midpicks for your 1st

This is my case for a deal
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I agree no tax = solid consideration, tho possible when you've earned enuf already it is not the biggest single factor to push Panarin to exit. Like I said, highly doubt he stays full term, but not clear when he waives. My gut says he leans to avoiding being a scapegoat and tons of criticism; WHERE is a huge factor.

I concur Nash = attractive option checking lots of boxes.

So kudos on prop.

For NY we can view this as 2 step, w/Duc = at worst stopgap giving immediate cap we can flip to recover more cap after. For Preds it is getting better, more dynamic player.

As to a larger deal, here is my counter offer.
2 separate deals, Pan for Duc and other deal picks + 1 for picks + 1.

1. pocket the "mid-pick" you were adding.
2. Rangers 2024 unprotected 1st + Avs 2023 3rd + EDM 2023 5th and Zac Jones
for
Nash 2nd, 3rd, + 4th, all 2023 and Luke Prokop

Preds lose a surplus 2nd now for a better pick next year
Rangers upgrade what they have in 3rd + 5th rounds this yr for better 3rd + 4th selections.

Jones is lefty shot plays either side destitute mans's Fox, to some extent thus surplus depth for Rs.
Prokop similarly drafted righty shot RD, taller.
Jones turns rfa a little faster than Prokop

If we agree, pls, I am busy, pls feel free to run with on the main board

Again, kudos
 
BigFatCat999 said:
Breadman for Duchene + mid pick. Trotz has openly asked for vets with high cap. Interview today. He said he is looking for vets with high contracts. Team's have called him with high contracts. (Doing the math Preds should have 12-14 mil in cap AFTER signing everyone). Preds offer a state with no income tax. (I am a Preds fan living in NY state. I f***ing know the tax rate, or dear god I know.)


After tax income in NYC 9.65% vs TN 0% That is the incentive for Breadman

Cap wise? Bread is $11,642,875 vs Duchene's rate of $8 mil flat. $3,642,875 for 3 years. Both contracts are the same length. For the Preds that is $10.9 mil in cap

It is also a hockey move. Bread is a LW, Duchene a RW.

If you are into Corsi: Duchene is CF% of 58.4

I also hope this can lead an avenue to trade some of Nashville's midpicks for your 1st

This is my case for a deal
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McRanger92 said:
I think we might be on to something here. Might be a situation where all parties end up happy in the end
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I have been on this for weeks. A Duchene + for Panarin makes sense for all involved.

In saying that, you need to look at cap hits versus real dollars spent. Panarin, after his July 1st bonus is paid, is on a VERY team friendly deal. To the point that he only makes $1m total more in real dollars than Duchene over the next 3 seasons.

So basically Nashville would be adding cap dollars, yes, but they are not spending much more money and they are receiving the better player.

Duchene fits the Rangers need on RW as well as adding speed to play a more North/South style.

I think a relatively fair deal is probably something like:

Panarin for Duchene + EDM 1st '23 + TB 2nd '24

That may be steep but Panarin is clearly the better player.

I'd CONSIDER

Panarin for Duchene + NSH 2nd '23 + NSH 2nd '24


Here is the post where I compared the cap hits to real dollars spent

Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE
 
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NYR Viper said:
I have been on this for weeks. A Duchene + for Panarin makes sense for all involved.

In saying that, you need to look at cap hits versus real dollars spent. Panarin, after his July 1st bonus is paid, is on a VERY team friendly deal. To the point that he only makes $1m total more in real dollars than Duchene over the next 3 seasons.

So basically Nashville would be adding cap dollars, yes, but they are not spending much more money and they are receiving the better player.

Duchene fits the Rangers need on RW as well as adding speed to play a more North/South style.

I think a relatively fair deal is probably something like:

Panarin for Duchene + EDM 1st '23 + TB 2nd '24

That may be steep but Panarin is clearly the better player.

I'd CONSIDER

Panarin for Duchene + NSH 2nd '23 + NSH 2nd '24


Here is the post where I compared the cap hits to real dollars spent

Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE
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I did remember someone mentioning it. It makes too much sense for everyone
 
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Nashville needs to make sense for Panarin. Now that the MODERN OFFENSE is going to be installed there perhaps its more appealing but I still think that he would be willing to waive for 2 teams and neither of them play in Nashville.

Bugs me that he's basically gotten off with out any criticism from anyone after this years dud. He faced more heat after last year's run where he wasn't good but it was better than what he did this year.
 
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NYR Viper said:
What about Erik Gustafsson?

Say the Rangers like the idea of:

Miller-Fox
_____-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

Would Gustafsson work on that left side?
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Gustafsson makes a lot of sense at the right price.. I'd try to pick up Will Butcher as a reclamation project if he doesn't stay in Dallas. AHL depth at worst
 
B17 Apricots said:
Gustafsson makes a lot of sense at the right price.. I'd try to pick up Will Butcher as a reclamation project if he doesn't stay in Dallas. AHL depth at worst
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I wonder how much Gustaffson will want. He' made $800k last year. Maybe $2.5-3m? If yes, that's a pretty good signing as a guy who can help move the puck out of his own end effectively.
 
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Gospel of Prospal said:
He isn't. People here need to accept that he's going to be a Ranger next season
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there are probably teams Panarin would waive for. I just do not think there is any reason that Nashville is one of them. Unless he doesn’t want to pay state income tax

NYR Viper said:
I don't think they are going into a full rebuild. They have cap space to improve and last year was more of a bump than anything. They just couldn't get any consistent scoring.
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They just put a new front office and coach in place. They have a bazillion draft picks and are in a really tough division. They are rebuilding. And nothing about Panarin screams “I want to play in Tennessee” especially if they aren’t an obvious contender
 
Savant said:
there are probably teams Panarin would waive for. I just do not think there is any reason that Nashville is one of them. Unless he doesn’t want to pay state income tax


They just put a new front office and coach in place. They have a bazillion draft picks and are in a really tough division. They are rebuilding. And nothing about Panarin screams “I want to play in Tennessee” especially if they aren’t an obvious contender
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What's so tough about their division?

Arizona
Chicago
Colorado
Dallas
Minnesota
St Louis
Winnipeg

Colorado should be better or as good next year. No Landeskog.

Dallas will be another year older, they aren't a young team.

Minnesota is always a tough team to play against but they have serous issues with the cap and are losing Dumba.

Winnipeg is about to implode.

If I'm Nashville, with some small tweaks and relative health of Josi, Saros and Forsberg they can compete. They have ~$16m in cap space with 11F, 5D and 2G signed. They could add Panarin by shipping Ducheen out, sign Tarasenko and Bertuzzi and push for a playoff spot.
 
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