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Speculation: Roster Building Thread VI (2019/2020)
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If that's all true, sounds like a good guy to have around on a rebuilding team. These types of guys who have to work their ass off to get to the NHL can be strong examples.
You were worried about his per/60 rates. Just trying to add another perspective on why that could be less of an issue. If he was scoring/60 as a top 20 center when his team and linemates resembled something of a competitive team, I think that's a good sign. It dropped off, but I'm suggesting there might be a reason beyond Z's play alone that contributed to that.
Someone else began by saying his raw numbers were great. You then added the qualifier. Sorrow if I went one level of context to deep
Id rather have a captain who doesnt make me feel awkward during interviews. Feel like he’d melt under pressure. Hes melted every year even without the C
GeorgeKaplan
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Well no, that’s not where it began. And if he’s relying on line mates to be the ~20ish center (which I don’t consider all that amazing either), then he’s not the answer we’re looking forYou were worried about his per/60 rates. Just trying to add another perspective on why that could be less of an issue. If he was scoring/60 as a top 20 center when his team and linemates resembled something of a competitive team, I think that's a good sign. It dropped off, but I'm suggesting there might be a reason beyond Z's play alone that contributed to that.
Someone else began by saying his raw numbers were great. You then added the qualifier. Sorrow if I went one level of context to deep
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Rangers are purposefully putting out fake news to subvert expectations of the leaked captaincy!
Or alternatively, if he plays like a top 20 center on a competitive team with good wingers -- hopefully our position when we're debating extending him -- then he might fit perfectly..
Can we sticky this to every page of HF NYR as an auto counter to all the hot take complaining that will go so far that it becomes nonsensical (which we're bound to hear all year?)
Barnaby
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Valid concerns, but that’s waaay down the road. He could have a serious injury by then or be a 90 point scoring center with a C on his jersey coming off of a Cup run. Was last season his peak or is it the first year of his ascension? I think it’s kind of bizarre that you are talking about the contract of a 26 year old coming off of a career year with concern. A contract, with 3 years left on it, that is a bargain. A player, who had arguably the best year a Ranger center has had since Mark Messier 25 years ago. Why? Because he’s not McDavid or Crosby? Who knows what NYR has at center in 3 years. A prime Zibby on the Rangers roster 5 years ago and maybe they have a cup or two.
Why did Boston resign Bergeron, STL trade for O’Reilly, or Wash invest in Backstrom? Surely they are not McDavid or Crosby either.
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All posts will start with, "This is not a hot-take, I am fully prepared to be patient with a young team and I did not expect this team to be a contender from day 1 -- BUT THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE
"Seriously though, if there is one message I want to send, its that if we struggle it will not be the fault of 1 or 2 or even 3 guys.
Sure its theoretically possible that a goalie that throws pucks into his own end alone causes a loss or whatever. But the goalies play is to a large extent a result of the team, so is the play of each individual.
Look, the game of hockey is a team game, its extremely fast and demanding. Chemistry, having comfortable working lines, D pairs and special teams, all that stuff if positive. Right? We all must agree on that. And as a consequence, we can all agree that we in those areas will face an up hill battle. I have to consider myself a bit of a veteran here. My feeling is that I just know that there is a big risk for that we will have some kind of annoying issues for quite a long time. You know, be it that we give up shorties, blow leads with a minute to go, have a worthless PK, can't get 4 lines going, have a 1/2 line that is too optimistic and plays a minus game -- or whatever. There are million different ways.
My experience also tells me that there only is -- one -- remedy to the above. That is to somehow, often with a good help of pure dumb luck, get out of the gate and in principle instantly go on a long winning streak. And that isn't unheard of either.
So to summarize, lets hope for the best, we have reasons to be excited short-term too, but of course don't expect to not be disappointed, because odds are that we are getting our fair share of that too. And those disappointments wouldn't become because we have player A or B or C that happens to be the worst ever in the NHL. Everyone are a bit exposed and as a result of the reality of this league, there is a big risk that individuals will get into problems.
Sure its theoretically possible that a goalie that throws pucks into his own end alone causes a loss or whatever. But the goalies play is to a large extent a result of the team, so is the play of each individual.
Look, the game of hockey is a team game, its extremely fast and demanding. Chemistry, having comfortable working lines, D pairs and special teams, all that stuff if positive. Right? We all must agree on that. And as a consequence, we can all agree that we in those areas will face an up hill battle. I have to consider myself a bit of a veteran here. My feeling is that I just know that there is a big risk for that we will have some kind of annoying issues for quite a long time. You know, be it that we give up shorties, blow leads with a minute to go, have a worthless PK, can't get 4 lines going, have a 1/2 line that is too optimistic and plays a minus game -- or whatever. There are million different ways.
My experience also tells me that there only is -- one -- remedy to the above. That is to somehow, often with a good help of pure dumb luck, get out of the gate and in principle instantly go on a long winning streak. And that isn't unheard of either.
So to summarize, lets hope for the best, we have reasons to be excited short-term too, but of course don't expect to not be disappointed, because odds are that we are getting our fair share of that too. And those disappointments wouldn't become because we have player A or B or C that happens to be the worst ever in the NHL. Everyone are a bit exposed and as a result of the reality of this league, there is a big risk that individuals will get into problems.
Last year we had people freak out when we knew the season was all about growth while losing.
Somehow, people convinced themselves we were a Panarin and a rookie away. So I expect (or dread) it to be even worse this year with people freaking out.
They forgot the insane number of OT points we had (that only buoyed us to 6th) the fact that we traded away a number of guys mid season (meaning we significantly weakened the team BEFORE adding Panarin, Fox, Trouba and Kakko. So it's 1 or 2 steps back, 2 or 3 steps forward type of deal) and a lot of people discounted the possibility that some guys wouldn't be ready for the spotlight/wouldn't grow much yet in just their second season.
Somehow, people convinced themselves we were a Panarin and a rookie away. So I expect (or dread) it to be even worse this year with people freaking out.
They forgot the insane number of OT points we had (that only buoyed us to 6th) the fact that we traded away a number of guys mid season (meaning we significantly weakened the team BEFORE adding Panarin, Fox, Trouba and Kakko. So it's 1 or 2 steps back, 2 or 3 steps forward type of deal) and a lot of people discounted the possibility that some guys wouldn't be ready for the spotlight/wouldn't grow much yet in just their second season.
GeorgeKaplan
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It’s not as far down the road as you think, but as I’ve said, there’s time to figure this out. Right now I see Mika as a very good player who’s perception is going to sky rocket to elite player if he’s glued to Panarin’s hip. I’m not expecting him to be a McDavid or Crosby, but he’s certainly not a Bergeron, Backstrom, or O’Reilly either
Edge
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Truth be told, I'm focused on growth and from what I've heard, that's what the Rangers are focused on as well.
Obviously, the goal is to be competitive and (ideally) make the playoffs. However, I'm "okay" missing the playoffs if we still see significant growth and progress from the young talent we are going to need for the future.
offdacrossbar
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play well.
show progress.
stay healthy.
effort. passion. execution.
make playoffs or miss playoffs. doesnt matter.
build a foundation.
show progress.
stay healthy.
effort. passion. execution.
make playoffs or miss playoffs. doesnt matter.
build a foundation.
Are we allowed to root for the team to win this year or is this still a freakout over 2020 draft position kinda season? Asking for a friend.
Thirty One
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Still a freakout. Check back next year.
Miamipuck
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Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I think you'll still see a fear about that damn dreaded middle.
That zone where you're not good enough to do much damage, but not bad enough to reap the best rewards for a miserable season.
Unless you have the Chicago outcome. In which case, BRING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tawnos
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My approach will be to root for wins, but not be upset about losses.
LiveLongandProspal
NY Rangers = America's Team
My approach is I want us to win every. single. game.
GeorgeKaplan
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I’m expecting losses, but I’m just hoping for fun. I’ll worry about draft position after the trade deadline
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