Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE
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Hey I was just making the point that we can't just trade him. Anyone's opinion of his play whether its terrible or not makes no difference on his no-movement clause.
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Yup....we definitely could use a couple of guys who like to be first in the corners for puck retrievals and hate losing those battles as well . They have to have the ability to skate . I thought maybe Gautheir could have been one of those guys with his size and speed . It will be interesting to see what takes place with him in Ottawa if they resign him . He has no hands but he checks all the boxes for the other stuff in size and speed and he caused D to make mistakes . I would take him back in a NY Minute for the right price . He would/could assume a spot in our bottom 4 forwards for the next 5-6 seasons much like Chimera did in Washington ? . Plus he is a guy that can play up in a few games if needed . Haters can hate....but the man can skate !
I just realized that Panarin being so bad has taken all eyes off Chytil who has also been pretty bad.
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So… Auston Matthews. Kinda good at playoff hockey eh?
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Robertson is 23 and just had 109 points. At 22 he had 79 in 74 and at 21, as a rookie he had 45 in 51.
Roope didn’t come over until he was 22 but was basically immediately over .5 points per game playing on the lower lines and PK and the speed and skill was evident from day one.
Tage is the only one you couldn’t see it coming with. They are not examples of holding out hope that our kids will have sudden breakouts. Tage is the only one who was a “bust” that suddenly put it together, and is also the only one who had a change of scenery before he was able to do so. He also is the most unique of the group because he’s massive. Everyone of the players I mentioned had obvious top six ability from day one basically. Our kids don’t.
Hischier just turned 24 and over the past 3 seasons has 151 points in 172 games while being one of the best young two-way forwards in the game. In 381 career games he has 286 points. He put up 135 points in his D1-D3 seasons, in 209 games. Laf just finished his D3 and Kakko his D4. Kakko has 98 career points in 239 games, Laf has has 91 in 216. Chytil, career, has 138 in 327.
Tage is the only player that was a surprise later breakout. There is no point in playing “to be fair” in order to cling to a completely false hope that our kids might become any of these players. They won’t even reach a tier below these players. Without converting any of our four top 10 selected forwards into these type of core pieces that can be locked up for 10+ years on team friendly deals, you will struggle to find success. Tampa made good trades to support their core but Stamkos, Point, Hedman, Vasilevsky, Cirelli were all internal products. Colorado MacKinnon, Landeskog, Rantanen, Makar. Boston drafted Marchand, Bergeron, Pastrnak, McAvoy and even Krejci. The next wave of contenders has their core pieces locker in. We whiffed.
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Shesterkybomb
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I dunno, would we make the playoffs without Panarin? That's part of the equation too, it's one thing to say he doesn't produce in the playoffs enough but maybe we don't even get there without him. Say what you want but he's as big a part of the powerplay as anyone not named Fox. Zibs doesn't get near as many one timers without him
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Gauthier doesn't check the number one box though, []plays in the top 6. Everyone wants to add grit and it always ends up in the bottom of the lineup, we need it at the top of the lineup, the lines that take up most of the ice time.
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Drury identified a good player who attacks the middle of the ice regularly in Trochek this offseason. It’s clear the team needs more players like that. I’m hopeful they identify a couple more guys like that
He always seems to get a pass on this board. Fact is this series he has been brutal. Can't even handle a pass. I am getting tired of hearing that he is still young. Fact is that is true but I expect more from s guy who has been in the league now for 5 years. Disappears way too often.
If we wouldn’t make the playoffs without Panarin we should rebuild again anyway. If Zibanejad, Trochek, Kreider, Fox (Norris), Trouba, Lindgren, Miller, Shesterkin (Vezina) plus a kid line of 3 first rounders, two of which were #1&2 can’t make the playoffs, they’ve officially screwed everything up. Add in the fact that if they didn’t have Panarin they’d have that 12M to spend elsewhere? Yeah, I have to believe (or at least hope) that this team minus Panarin but plus two 6M forwards would definitely make the playoffs and as long as those two forwards had even 50% more heart than Panarin, we’d perform better in them as well.
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In my fantasy world i live in from time to time, brady tkachuk forces his way out of ottawa and we move chytil, laff and a 1st for him.
Verhaeghe gets the GWG. Love cases like that. Verhaeghe, Marchessault, Zucc, etc.. guys like that.. goes to show you how much usage is a factor. Those are guys that didn't get their chance until they were +25 years old. Would be nice to get one of those again. Might have a big hole on the right side next season. Grab that sort of player that may not have gotten much of an opportunity, Barré-Boulet, Bemström, etc..
Crazy how many of those sorts of players went through Tampas system
Crazy how many of those sorts of players went through Tampas system
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Don't hold your breath. He just signed an 8 year extension and Ottawa is a goalie away from being what we were last year.
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He has done so on more than one occasion and I think he will continue to do so. I think Drury is a good GM. I think the only add this trade deadline that wasn't his MO was Kane. He was almost backed into a corner on that one and probably was thinking what some have thought, I am going to give Panarin every possible reason to play as hard as possible this playoffs to prove he is worth it.
So far, I imagine Drury is not happy with Panarin. Haha
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So, what's the option? We all know our player development, especially for young forwards has been a problem. What's the solution? It's easy to point out problems. I just don't see how hating on the kids solves anything. It's not false hope. We need to create an environment to which they will succeed and be consistent. I don't see it from the org tbh.
At this point I dont know why people are expecting them to be dynamic game changers. They wont be like a Hughes or Makar. They were never those players...
Some form of modern day tactics/puck movement should help them. Laffy and Kakko need to work on their finishing. Playmaking is there IMO. They both need to put in the work off the ice.
I could see them developing into Robertson, Tkachuk, Rantanen and Draisaitl types. I know I'm in the minority with that opinion and that's fine. Age 24 is the magic number IMO
Sure… but, Tkachuk is 23 on a bad team. What would Kreider’s score looked like when he was 23? More than that… people don’t want Brady just for numbers - it’s an attitude and specific type of player everyone feels this team lacks.
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They have to find a way to play better/more modern hockey as a whole and get some coaches who will improve skills. Not talking about Gallant, but like, some of the staff around him, particularly the guys that work with them in the summer. That their skating hasn't moved an inch from draft day is inexcusable.
I'm not sure Lafreniere isn't just a lemon in general, but that's a different discussion.
Machinehead
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I see the argument that he's young and trending upwards. The point of the post is that the grass is always greener and after 11 years, I judge potential moves based on what I'm gonna have to read on here.
Tkachuk kills the Rangers so I feel there's a heavy sample bias. He's not that in most games. When he's not what people expected, number one, and number two you have to sit with the guy 82 games and realize his "attitude" moments are the minority, and he's just a hockey player on most Wednesdays like the other hockey players, it's gonna get real toxic, real fast.
Forget the numbers on the top and realize that half the board can't stand the guy putting up the numbers on the bottom.
And then on top of all that is the whole contract discussion. Tkachuk carries a $9.5m AAV and at least 3.5 of that is his last name and attitude. I'd rather spend $6.5m on the more effective even strength player. Grit is fine, I'm just not paying for it. Find it on league minimum like successful teams do.
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