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Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

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Pass on Kane other than a 1 year cheap deal. Get his surgery and pull and kucherov LTIR.
Unless he turns into the dynamic player he once was in the playoffs
 
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If kane wants to sign a 1 year deal, get the surgery in the summer so he can be on the LTIR so he doesnt count against the cap, and return just before the playoffs at 110%, then sure i'm all for that. If Kane is going to sign here and not fix himself and play the type of hockey he is now, like he's crippled out there (yes i know he is still getting some points), then i pass.
 
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McRanger92 said:
The Mikkola/Lindgren situation reminds me of the Girardi/Stralman decision. I would rather trade Lindgren for a haul a year before we need to and sign Mikkola to cover his role. Jones & Robertson are right there waiting on the left side as well. Lindgren is a warrior but thats exactly the reason why hes only going to get more injured as he ages. I still think the best thing for the Rangers long term is Miller & Fox paired together. Play Jones with Trouba to bring him along. The Rangers wouldve trade Jones by now if they were really concerned about his size. Beyond that, Robertson starts next season in HFD and gets called up if injuries happen.

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Mikkola-Schneider
Harpoon/Robertson

These are emotionally difficult moves a team should make to keep their window open longer. Especially because we've seen the team play well without Lindgren for long stretches.
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Girardi was 29 years old and had played over 650 NHL games (regular season and playoffs) when that decision was made. Lindgren is 25 and hasn't played in half as many games. Even if you believe that Lindgren's style will have him break down sooner than other defensemen, he still would likely have 4 or 5 good years left with his current style of play.
 
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Kodiak said:
Girardi was 29 years old and had played over 650 NHL games (regular season and playoffs) when that decision was made. Lindgren is 25 and hasn't played in half as many games. Even if you believe that Lindgren's style will have him break down sooner than other defensemen, he still would likely have 4 or 5 good years left with his current style of play.
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Girardi didn’t have a history of injury at 25, which Lindgren does. And the decision point isn’t 4-5 years from now, it’s after next year. I’d much rather have Mikkola at 2-2.5 over the next 3 seasons than Lindgren at whatever number he’s getting on his next contract.

I love Lindy but he’s an undersized, defense-only defenseman who has finished his last 3 seasons injured (concussion in 21, ankle in 22, shoulder in 23). I would not be happy to see the organization repeat mistakes that cost them a Cup during the Lundqvist era this time around.
 
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I’m all for moving Lindgren to go for the cheaper Mikkola and getting a puck mover in here

But sadly I think the Rangers believe Lindgren is the greatest thing since sliced bread and Fox NEEDS him to be great

Even though Fox could play with one of us and be great
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
I’m all for moving Lindgren to go for the cheaper Mikkola and getting a puck mover in here

But sadly I think the Rangers believe Lindgren is the greatest thing since sliced bread and Fox NEEDS him to be great

Even though Fox could play with one of us and be great
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I think it is fair to say that Fox does play better with him than anyway else.
 
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Machinehead said:
If we do it now, Trouba is the puck-mover on his pair.

That's not going to go well.
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That's true but Trouba is at least average to decent at moving the puck... or at least his first pass is normally decent. He's had a really weird off year offensively.
 
Its really obvious we miss Lindgren, id prefer to keep him, but his contract has to be moveable in 3-4 years, I'm less concerned with the length of it vs being able to move it. Getting him back this year and moving Mikkola with Schneider will help a lot.
 
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I'd worry about Lindgren next offseason unless we sign a guy like Orlov to a fantastic value
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
Fox has been proving for like the last month that’s not the case lol

Nonsense to think they are tied to the hip. Same shit people thought with McDonagh and Girardi
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Fox has played his worst hockey of the season since Lindgren went down. He was in contention all season for the Norris, not so much anymore.

They aren't attached by the hip, but they have been partners for 3 years and they compliment each other very well. You don't fix what isn't broken. And Lindgren will cost a nice cheap penny to play on the top pair with him.
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
Fox has played his worst hockey of the season since Lindgren went down. He was in contention all season for the Norris, not so much anymore.

They aren't attached by the hip, but they have been partners for 3 years and they compliment each other very well. You don't fix what isn't broken. And Lindgren will cost a nice cheap penny to play on the top pair with him.
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Fox still is in contention for the Norris. His play hasn't been that bad, if at all, since Lindgren went down. That said, he was never winning the Norris this season with how Karlsson is doing and him likely eclipsing 100 points.

That said, I agree that you don't break up Lindgren-Fox.
 
Miller-Fox have posted better numbers than Lindgren-Fox. At some point that is going to be your top pair.

I like Lindgren but there are very valid reasons to move on from him sooner rather than later. The durability is just one thing, but players like him tend to be overvalued around the league and it may be a good idea to use him as a center piece for an upgrade somewhere.

I also have no problem allowing him to play the rest of his RFA years here and with the team in contention I get the thought behind not wanting to move on from him. I don't want any part in an extension beyond that.
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
idk how you don’t whatever necessary to keep Laf and Kakko into next year/the future

Move Goodrow and Lindgren and figure the rest out
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I don’t think it gets as far as Lindgren but indeed, if it does, gotta do it. However painful it is. Miller, Kakko, Lafreniere all have to be retained.
 
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duhmetreE said:
That's true but Trouba is at least average to decent at moving the puck... or at least his first pass is normally decent. He's had a really weird off year offensively.
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That’s why it’s better when he’s the stay-at-home guy. He can do things offensively, he can catch a defense sleeping and step up pretty well. But you want him to be the last guy on the ice the opponent is worrying about. Then he can bring fhe shock and awe. When he’s the center of attention he makes mistakes, mishandles the puck, bad stuff happens.
 
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Uninstaaled said:
Miller-Fox have posted better numbers than Lindgren-Fox. At some point that is going to be your top pair.

I like Lindgren but there are very valid reasons to move on from him sooner rather than later. The durability is just one thing, but players like him tend to be overvalued around the league and it may be a good idea to use him as a center piece for an upgrade somewhere.

I also have no problem allowing him to play the rest of his RFA years here and with the team in contention I get the thought behind not wanting to move on from him. I don't want any part in an extension beyond that.
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I like Lindgren a lot and appreciate how important he is to the team. But likewise, he probably brings back a lot of value to keep the pipeline producing. Probably a first and a second and a good prospect. Something like that. Maybe more. But there’s no rush to make that call, anyhow.
 
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Boris Zubov said:
Maybe, but if someone came to you with 2 mid 1st rounders right now for Laf would you take them?

With the low odds of him ever hitting 80 points, I'm making that deal.
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Not a chance in hell. And it has nothing to do with Laff and everything to do with this team’s drafting lol!! Losing Laff just to watch them reel in another Krav or Lias….UgH!! The only draft pick Id trade Laff for is this year's 1OA. Otherwise it’d have to be for a package that pulls in a sure fire young player.
 
Shadowtron said:
Not a chance in hell. And it has nothing to do with Laff and everything to do with this team’s drafting lol!! Losing Laff just to watch them reel in another Krav or Lias….UgH!! The only draft pick Id trade Laff for is this year's 1OA. Otherwise it’d have to be for a package that pulls in a sure fire young player.
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That's a completely legitimate point. One I considered but didn't feel like bringing up yesterday.

Now back to the late, late, late show.
 
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Good gravy. Losing Lafreniere for two mid round firsts should be a fireable offense. And no one is going to offer sheet him anyway.
I’d be for signing Kane if he’s going to get his hip fixed and is LTIR till the last month of the season. Or he takes a 1year 1mil (crack)pipedream sweetheart deal.
I think we get more for Goodrow than the three late picks someone mentioned. He’s a physical, Cup Winning Swiss Army knife player with excellent leadership who is going to score 30 points as a 3rd/4th liner and is on a not terrible contract. If he steps up in these playoffs especially.
If the cap goes up a bit, I say we try to keep both Mikkola and Tarasenko
I dont see them dealing Lindy. Blood and guts player. Underrated skill. Still fairly young.
 
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