Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[NYR Viper]

I haven't watched much of Soucy lately but I'd expect them to be similar. $2M is fair, if we could get him for $1.5M, great.

I would see Soucy a bit higher than Mikkola but in the same ballpark. I'll say that adding a 6'5 Soucy and a 6'4 Mikkola (for a full season) would be a good addition on the back end, especially if the sum is a $4.5m cap hit. Again, I would consider trading Lindgren for assets and then signing both of those guys.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

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Kane wanted to play here. One year. $1M. Put your money where your mouth is.

Traded Goodrow to Seattle to reunite him with Gourde. Seattle has tons of cap space and they are a playoff team this season in their 2nd season. Seattle has extra draft picks to trade.

Jones gets his opportunity. Vince Dunn and Torey Krug aren't much bigger than Jones. Dunn is having a great year in Seattle.

Flat cap. $83.5M. There should be good bargains available. Acciari at $1.5M. Motte was $1.35M. Add Othmann and Cuylle. The Rangers become a tougher team to play against. Othmann has tons of attitude. Cuylle is a big boy. Acciari is a swiss army knife player.

Halak. One year. $1M base. $500,000 in performance bonuses. Roll over into 24-25. 35 plus.

The performance bonuses for Miller, Lafreniere, Schneider and Halak will take up a decent chunk of the remaining cap space but the Rangers should have some flexibility.

Kane signing for 1yr/1 mil is a pipe dream. Crack pipe that is. He is still going to have around a 60 point season despite missing some games, playing for a bad Chicago team, and the hip injury. I still think the team can sign 1 of Kane or Tarasenko to a discounted deal but not a league minimum contract. We don't even know how much the cap is going up. It could be more than 1 million.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I don't understand all the Kane re-signings. That would be classic Rongos in fact, the badly aging vet signing. It's Tara all the way on that front.

It hurts me to say this, but if I was the GM, I'd seriously consider re-signing Mikkola and trading Lindgren to re-stock the pipeline.

I don't see Mikkola taking anything similar to his contract now. Dude could command up to 3-4m/y on the free market with his play. Let's see what he does in the POs.

 

[kovazub94]

Kane signing for 1yr/1 mil is a pipe dream. Crack pipe that is. He is still going to have around a 60 point season despite missing some games, playing for a bad Chicago team, and the hip injury. I still think the team can sign 1 of Kane or Tarasenko to a discounted deal but not a league minimum contract. We don't even know how much the cap is going up. It could be more than 1 million.

If Kane wants to get another shot at SC with his buddy as NYR - he will sign for $1m. Maybe some bonuses. He will understand it will be this or no deal. It will depend on how far the Rangers will go this season and so whether or not he’d want to stick around for another run but it won’t be about money. Maybe 50/50 but definitely not a pipe dream.

 

[kovazub94]

I don't understand all the Kane re-signings. That would be classic Rongos in fact, the badly aging vet signing. It's Tara all the way on that front.

It hurts me to say this, but if I was the GM, I'd seriously consider re-signing Mikkola and trading Lindgren to re-stock the pipeline.

I don't see Mikkola taking anything similar to his contract now. Dude could command up to 3-4m/y on the free market with his play. Let's see what he does in the POs.

So suggesting Kane on 1x$1 is Rongos but simultaneously suggesting 31-yo Tarasenko who’d want a money deal so probably 4x$6 contract give or take is not Rongos? Please…..

 

[GAGLine]

How much does a player like Soucy make as a UFA?

How much does Mikkola make as a UFA?

I am beginning to wonder if their collective cap hit, would make it reasonable to trade someone like Lindgren to recoup assets. For example, if their collective cap hits are $4m, then adding them and removing Lindgren becomes somewhat attractive. Add (2) bigger bodies signed to medium term deals (say they get 3 and 4 year deals respectively).

Would:

Mikkola - 3 years @ $1.5m
Soucy - 4 years @ $2.25m

Would that be enough?

Mike Reilly @ 50% (1.5 mil) could be another option. That's assuming Boston can't find a deal they like to move his entire cap hit.

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[RangerBoy]

This seems like the most probable scenario and if they don't re-sign Kane you can just move Vesey up into the top-6 like this season and it wouldn't be a problem.

Vesey in the top 6 will result in Drury adding another rental next March. No more rentals. Please.

 

[Machinehead]

Late to the party, but Brendan Lemieux sucks ass at everything including the physical aspects he's supposed to be good at.

He doesn't draw penalties and I can't recall a single instance of him getting somebody off their game.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don't understand all the Kane re-signings. That would be classic Rongos in fact, the badly aging vet signing. It's Tara all the way on that front.

It hurts me to say this, but if I was the GM, I'd seriously consider re-signing Mikkola and trading Lindgren to re-stock the pipeline.

I don't see Mikkola taking anything similar to his contract now. Dude could command up to 3-4m/y on the free market with his play. Let's see what he does in the POs.

I will just keep saying I see no reason why Kane won't age well. The guy is going to continue putting up large point totals every year. His playing style allows for him to do wo without taking a lot of physical punishment. That's been his entire career.

 

[FultonReed]

Late to the party, but Brendan Lemieux sucks ass at everything including the physical aspects he's supposed to be good at.

He doesn't draw penalties and I can't recall a single instance of him getting somebody off their game.

you don't remember that time with Max Domi? dunno if it threw Domi off his game, but I'd absolutely spear the guy who boinked my sister, especially if he was a total clown

 

[NYR Viper]

If the Rangers are looking for a 4th line option, I'd look at a reclamation project or two. Maybe someone like Hornqvist. If Nick Foligno is available for a low cap hit he's another one.

 

[Machinehead]

you don't remember that time with Max Domi? dunno if it threw Domi off his game, but I'd absolutely spear the guy who boinked my sister, especially if he was a total clown

That was hilarious but IIRC it was right after Domi scored and then we lost.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

If Kane wants to get another shot at SC with his buddy as NYR - he will sign for $1m. Maybe some bonuses. He will understand it will be this or no deal. It will depend on how far the Rangers will go this season and so whether or not he’d want to stick around for another run but it won’t be about money. Maybe 50/50 but definitely not a pipe dream.

I don't see it. He can still play and will get whatever work needs to be done to his injured hip after the season. I just don't see a 3 time cup winner and future HOF'er taking a 1yr/1mil offer after coming off a 10 mil per contract.

 

[MrAlmost]

I'm not a betting person, never saw the appeal, but with those odds, you would be crazy not to put something on Tampa.

I will just keep saying I see no reason why Kane won't age well. The guy is going to continue putting up large point totals every year. His playing style allows for him to do wo without taking a lot of physical punishment. That's been his entire career.

He's 34, turning 35, so I don't know what you mean by age well. I mean, he has already aged and it isn't looking great. Hopefully, he is just floating to save it for playoffs, otherwise there is something serious that needs to be addressed. Probably the oft mentioned hip injury.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I'm not a betting person, never saw the appeal, but with those odds, you would be crazy not to put something on Tampa.


He's 34, turning 35, so I don't know what you mean by age well. I mean, he has already aged and it isn't looking great. Hopefully, he is just floating to save it for playoffs, otherwise there is something serious that needs to be addressed. Probably the oft mentioned hip injury.

And crazy to put something on Toronto lol

 

[NYR Viper]

Assuming the cap goes to $85,000,000, this fits:

Trades:
to SJ - Goodrow
To NYR:
5th + 6th + 7th

To BUF - Lindgren
To NYR:
BUF 1st '24 + LAK 3rd '23

Signings:
K Miller - 3 years @ $4m
Lafreniere - 2 years @ $2.7m
Kane - 3 years @ $4.5m
Motte - 3 years @ $1.2m
Mikkola - 3 years @ $1.75m
Soucy - 4 years @ $2.25m
Acciari - 2 years @ $1.25m
Halak - 2 years @ $1.2m
Lockwood - 2 years @ $0.775m
Blidh - 1 year @ $0.775m


Kreider-Zibanejad-Kane
Panarin-Trochek-Vesey
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kaako
Cuylle-Acciari-Motte
Blidh/Leshyshyn/Brodzinski

Mikkola-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Soucy-Schneider
Harpur

Shesty
Halak

= $84.112m cap hit

Forward Call-ups
Brodzinski
Leschyshyn
Lockwood
Blidh
Othmann

Defense Call-ups
Harpur
Jones
Robertson
Scanlin
Emberson

If Othmann proves ready, then slide Vesey down and play him with Panarin-Trochek. Motte plays both wings so if Cuylle isn't ready then he can slide over and make room for a RW as well if needed.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't mind Soucy as a player but this team desperately needs another puck mover on the back end (preferably to play with Trouba), not to clone Mikkola.

Then you can play Miller with Fox which seems like a great fit.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I'm not a betting person, never saw the appeal, but with those odds, you would be crazy not to put something on Tampa.


He's 34, turning 35, so I don't know what you mean by age well. I mean, he has already aged and it isn't looking great. Hopefully, he is just floating to save it for playoffs, otherwise there is something serious that needs to be addressed. Probably the oft mentioned hip injury.

He put up 92 points just last year and is on pace for 60 in a bad year with a bad club and playing through an obvious injury. I agree with Viper that he can still put up points for a few more years especially if the hip issue is resolved. How bad that is and what recovery time is required is anybody's guess at this point.

 

[JimmyG89]

Vesey in the top 6 will result in Drury adding another rental next March. No more rentals. Please.

Most of the Rangers firepower is at center or left wing. They could use another complementary RW, especially guys that can replicate what Kakko is doing on the 3rd line so he can move into a top 6 role.

One of the first calls for free agency that should be made is to bring back Jesper Fast. He would not be expensive, especially since he doesn't have a ring or two attached to him (Goodrow) for what he brings as a skillset.

We know exactly what he brings. He can play up and down the lineup. Having some interchangeable RWs that bring a defensive presence would be helpful. You'd have Kakko, Fast, and Vesey on the right side. We already know Kakko makes every line he is on better. Vesey was doing a lot of those same things.

Fast is less of a black hole offensively, but someone like Okposo has morphed into a defensive 4th liner, but I think he's probably staying in Buffalo to keep building those young guys along. I'd also prefer Vesey being on the 4th line.

Craig Smith is probably another veteran option, his underlying numbers are still good, but his minutes are way down, could be a good buy low candidate. Had 40 points last season in a 3rd line role.

It can also help make it so that you are not reliant on Othmann making the squad and being comfortable on RW right off the bat. Could start the season in the AHL while adjusting to that side.

 

[NYR Viper]

Most of the Rangers firepower is at center or left wing. They could use another complementary RW, especially guys that can replicate what Kakko is doing on the 3rd line so he can move into a top 6 role.

One of the first calls for free agency that should be made is to bring back Jesper Fast. He would not be expensive, especially since he doesn't have a ring or two attached to him (Goodrow) for what he brings as a skillset.

We know exactly what he brings. He can play up and down the lineup. Having some interchangeable RWs that bring a defensive presence would be helpful. You'd have Kakko, Fast, and Vesey on the right side. We already know Kakko makes every line he is on better. Vesey was doing a lot of those same things.

Fast is less of a black hole offensively, but someone like Okposo has morphed into a defensive 4th liner, but I think he's probably staying in Buffalo to keep building those young guys along. I'd also prefer Vesey being on the 4th line.

Craig Smith is probably another veteran option, his underlying numbers are still good, but his minutes are way down, could be a good buy low candidate. Had 40 points last season in a 3rd line role.

It can also help make it so that you are not reliant on Othmann making the squad and being comfortable on RW right off the bat. Could start the season in the AHL while adjusting to that side.

Some guys who may fill a role on that right side:
Connor Brown is an interesting one for me. Coming back from a major injury
Josh Leivo. His underlying stats are good in terms of possession and have been for a while.
Dadonov may take a lower cap hit deal on a 1-year deal, especially if he has a chance to play with skill players.
Hornqvist is coming back from injury but played a hard-nosed, physical game. Perhaps as a 4th line option.

Then there are RFA's who perhaps don't get qualified...
Puljujaarvi?
Gurianov?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Hornqvist is washed. He was washed even pre injury.

Brown wouldn't be a bad pick up on a prove-it deal and Dadonov is a decent low buy option.

 

[McRanger92]

The Mikkola/Lindgren situation reminds me of the Girardi/Stralman decision. I would rather trade Lindgren for a haul a year before we need to and sign Mikkola to cover his role. Jones & Robertson are right there waiting on the left side as well. Lindgren is a warrior but thats exactly the reason why hes only going to get more injured as he ages. I still think the best thing for the Rangers long term is Miller & Fox paired together. Play Jones with Trouba to bring him along. The Rangers wouldve trade Jones by now if they were really concerned about his size. Beyond that, Robertson starts next season in HFD and gets called up if injuries happen.

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Mikkola-Schneider
Harpoon/Robertson

These are emotionally difficult moves a team should make to keep their window open longer. Especially because we've seen the team play well without Lindgren for long stretches.

 

[McRanger92]

I don't mind Soucy as a player but this team desperately needs another puck mover on the back end (preferably to play with Trouba), not to clone Mikkola.

Then you can play Miller with Fox which seems like a great fit.

Jones with Trouba next year is the most obvious move out there. Even if you keep Lindgren, play him with Schneider.

 

[duhmetreE]

I don't mind Soucy as a player but this team desperately needs another puck mover on the back end (preferably to play with Trouba), not to clone Mikkola.

Then you can play Miller with Fox which seems like a great fit.

We need to start playing KAM Fox 25-30 minutes a night as a pair.

Or we should do it now instead of seeing Harpur