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Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

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The Crypto Guy said:
Fox has played his worst hockey of the season since Lindgren went down. He was in contention all season for the Norris, not so much anymore.

They aren't attached by the hip, but they have been partners for 3 years and they compliment each other very well. You don't fix what isn't broken. And Lindgren will cost a nice cheap penny to play on the top pair with him.
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I'm not necessarily in favor of moving on from Lindgren but Fox has been back to his normal self after an adjustment period with Mikkola. He undoubtedly struggled at first, new partner in the middle of the season and a guy who just joined the team so he had no familiarity with him at all. I think the last stretch of games they've looked really good together.
 
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Chytils deal was really important as a signal to the team I feel. He got term and good dollars, and they got it done early which is even more important. Tells the other kids that they are a priority and have a place in this org, but also, ala Tampa, that they're going to have to wait for the big check. Hopefully it pays off, especially with Miller. Sign your bridge, keep improving.
 
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Vince has these numbers

The 25-year-old leads the team with a 55.81% xGF, according to Evolving Hockey. His defensive impact can't be undersold, with the Blueshirts' xGA/60 jumping from 2.51 prior to his injury to 2.91 in the 18 games since. Their shot suppression has taken a hit as well, with their 28.04 average per 60 minutes rising to 31.16 in his absence.

They need his stability and toughness to maximize their playoff chances. They also need him to make their defensive pairs whole again.
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Consider that Adam Fox's xGF with Lindgren is a team-best 56.1%, according to moneypuck.com, yet plummets to 44.1% with in the current arrangement with Niko Mikkola. Not having his longtime partner by his side for the past month-plus may hurt Fox's chances at winning his second Norris Trophy.

The ripple effect is that Mikkola, who was acquired specifically to strengthen the bottom pair, has not had much time to mesh with his expected partner for the playoffs, Braden Schneider. It's also led to seventh defenseman Ben Harpur being overexposed to the tune of a 41.97% xGF.
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Top 5 priorities for the NY Rangers with 5 games to go

With the NHL playoffs approaching, here are the areas where the Rangers need to focus for the final five games.
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RangerBoy said:
Vince has these numbers





Top 5 priorities for the NY Rangers with 5 games to go

With the NHL playoffs approaching, here are the areas where the Rangers need to focus for the final five games.
www.lohud.com www.lohud.com
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Now this is consistent with what I was seeing rather than hearing dubious statements that Fox is fine paired with Mikkola (who’d be just fine if he was on 3rd pair with Schneider) - don’t know what games these guys we’re watching.
 
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I think the discussion that needs to be had is not whether we like or dislike Lindgren or if he will just immediately deteriorate going into next season. He's a very useful top-4 defensive d-man. My concern is that with the stagnant cap, if it's possible to snag a couple of solid 4/5 d-men in the prime of their careers and cover (2) holes while recouping assets from trading Lindgren I am more than interested in doing so.

Soucy and Mikkola grade as 4/5 d-men. They are big (6'5 and 6'4 respectively) and young (28 and 27). Neither will be paid extravagantly as they have low point totals (15 points and 5 points respectively). They both play a physical, grinding game which is one of the main positives Lindgren brings as well.

Can someone grab what their expected next contracts are from that site with the cards? Just eye-balling it, but I am not expecting much more than $4.5m total for both. And considering Lindgren alone makes $3m, that's a swap I would make...

Option 1
Soucy + Mikkola @ $4.5m + 1st '24 + 3rd '23 (trade from Lindgren)

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Option 2
Lindgren + Jones/Robertson @ $3.8-3.9m


We know that with Lindgren, injuries are going to happen. Hell, most player swill get banged up throughout the year so the same could be said for Soucy and Mikkola. I will say that I feel FAR more comfortable going in to next season, should an injury take place to Lindgren or one of Mikkola/Soucy, with option 1 as the first call up would be either Jones or Robertson at that time. Option 2 would see Harpur or the other of Jones/Robertson. To me, for a team looking to contend, option 1 makes more sense...
 
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kovazub94 said:
Now this is consistent with what I was seeing rather than hearing dubious statements that Fox is fine paired with Mikkola (who’d be just fine if he was on 3rd pair with Schneider) - don’t know what games these guys we’re watching.
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Don't want to speak for others but the idea of trading Lindgren is based on the fact that Fox will play with Miller next year and Mikkola would play with Schneider. With this year's team, everyone knows we need Lindy back because Mikkola isnt a top pair guy and Harpur is a 7 on his best day. I hope KAM is ready to play 30 minutes a night if we have a significant D injury during the playoffs. Misstep by Drury not at least adding a guy like Braun at the 11th hour.
 
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Also, I've noticed how everyone hated Mikkola at first, and ever since he's playing with Fox instead of Schneder, everyone wants to keep him.

It's generally Schneider that's the class clown on that pair, sorry.
 
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I think Soucy will get a more money than Mikkola. I think his name has been highly praised since his final year with the Wild. I like him, and I think he's a solid player but I just think he'll get over paid. I do hope we can keep Mikkola on a 2 year deal, but with him playing on the first pay does he try to cash out in FA? All that being said I wonder if NYR keep an eye on Van. They have Hughes, Myers, OEL(doubt they're able to move these 2), Hirose, Hronek, Poolman if healthy. Will they qualify Bear & Dermott? If not maybe one comes to NYR on the cheap for to battle for a spot. Does Rathbone need waivers next season? He so he could be a good option depending on trade cost, and shouldn't make much as an RFA.
 
Machinehead said:
Trade Lindgren and then also not sign that winger

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The answer could be to trade Lindgren and still sign Soucy and Mikkola, and with the ~$1m in cap saving, go something like 6 years x $5m for Miller in lieu of the 3 years x $4m expected. Or, if they are strapped for cap space, that $1m in savings could be split and be the difference of going in to the season with Brodzinski and Domingue or Acciari and Halak.
 
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The answer could be to trade Lindgren and still sign Soucy and Mikkola, and with the ~$1m in cap saving, go something like 6 years x $5m for Miller in lieu of the 3 years x $4m expected. Or, if they are strapped for cap space, that $1m in savings could be split and be the difference of going in to the season with Brodzinski and Domingue or Acciari and Halak.
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Or we can do none of that, extend Miller, and upgrade where we need it with the roughly $7m in savings.

I think Jones and a moneypuck puck-mover fit what we need way more than two replacement-level big men.

Would be nice if DeAngelo were left-handed and had anybody else's personality.
 
kovazub94 said:
Now this is consistent with what I was seeing rather than hearing dubious statements that Fox is fine paired with Mikkola (who’d be just fine if he was on 3rd pair with Schneider) - don’t know what games these guys we’re watching.
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yeah I agree. Mikkola is passable in bursts but is absolutely 100% not a top pair defenseman.

Lindgren for as limited as he is is probably a top 5 defensive defenseman in the league. him and Fox have been the best pair in the league this year.
 
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88th percentile, elite at moving the puck, doesn't take penalties, and if he gets more than $2m, I'll eat my hat.

You guys keep going tall. To say it's a cap league is an understatement at this point. If you want value, go short.
 
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Uninstaaled said:
Can we not sign Soucy or Mikkola?

Find the biggest dude available who can move a puck and sign that guy.
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Good luck. Chychrun was the option with retention.

We can't afford a puck mover unless we trade for a kid. Matheson @ 50% is the vet options. I know how you love ex-pens.

I'd still like Mikkola's game/edge/side/mobility more than Lindgren.
 
Machinehead said:
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88th percentile, elite at moving the puck, doesn't take penalties, and if he gets more than $2m, I'll eat my hat.

You guys keep going tall. To say it's a cap league is an understatement at this point. If you want value, go short.
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I want tall because thats the only way they're going to play.

All things equal, I'd just play Jones and let him and Schneider figure it out.
 
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I want tall because thats the only way they're going to play.

All things equal, I'd just play Jones and let him and Schneider figure it out.
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I mean, yeah, "we have to placate the Rangers with toys" is a valid argument.

Alex Edler is 6'4" and has muh sperience. He can still move the puck. He'll command nothing.
 
duhmetreE said:
Good luck. Chychrun was the option with retention.

We can't afford a puck mover unless we trade for a kid. Matheson @ 50% is the vet options. I know how you love ex-pens.

I'd still like Mikkola's game/edge/side/mobility more than Lindgren.
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It's a moot point, because AZ wasn't retaining a dime. They turned down multiple trades & eventually landed on the Ottawa deal since it was the only move that didn't involve salary retention. Their owner is cheap & also broke, penny pinching for this hail mary arena development.
 
Machinehead said:
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88th percentile, elite at moving the puck, doesn't take penalties, and if he gets more than $2m, I'll eat my hat.

You guys keep going tall. To say it's a cap league is an understatement at this point. If you want value, go short.
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Carolina LOVES him. Been great for them since the deadline. Saved their butt.

Honestly I’m think they need to re-assess Lindgren when he comes back. But when he comes back I’m playing him with Schneider
 
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