Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[IDvsEGO]

If you look at the overall body of work to this day, holy shit did the Gorton regime shit the bed on drafting. Only K'Andre Miller and Filip Chytil seem to be a legitimate player out of literally everyone they drafted since they took over. Jury's out on everyone else, including Kakko and Lafreniere.

Hitting on 2 low 20’s picks is actually fairly impressive. Missing on a top 10 is bad. They balance out.

 

[Kovalev27]

Clark’s biggest fault and it followed him for years was falling In love with late risers. Flash in the pan guys that came out of nowhere. He always wanted to be the smartest guy in the room. Jessiman Mcilrath Andersson and Kravtsov all fell into that category. Brutal picks instead of the obvious ones sitting there.

 

[The New Russian Five]

If you look at the overall body of work to this day, holy shit did the Gorton regime shit the bed on drafting. Only K'Andre Miller and Filip Chytil seem to be a legitimate player out of literally everyone they drafted since they took over. Jury's out on everyone else, including Kakko and Lafreniere.

I'd say they did alright with Schneider too.

Hitting on 2 low 20’s picks is actually fairly impressive. Missing on a top 10 is bad. They balance out.

*Missing on 4 consecutive top 10.

I wouldn't call that balancing out.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I'd say they did alright with Schneider too.


*Missing on 4 consecutive top 10.

I wouldn't call that balancing out.

Jury's still out on him, I'd say.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I'd say they did alright with Schneider too.


*Missing on 4 consecutive top 10.

I wouldn't call that balancing out.

Both Kakko or Laf were the consensus pick.
I don’t consider those misses because then everyone was missing…

 

[Kodiak]

I’m not losing Tarasenko or Kane because of Kakko.

In fact kakko Goody and even chytil might all be gone next year. And I love chytil that would hurt. But they may say we want a better 2 way checking player in that spot. If we lose this year that may be one of the things that come up. Especially if he prices himself out. Do we need a real checking 3C behind all that offense? We might.

But the window is open because of Mika Kreider Panarin Trocheck up front, shesty, and the top 4 D. The kids aren’t going to be the reason we win a Cup. Laf is untouchable as far as I’m concerned but the other two probably aren’t.

What if drury at the draft talks to Seattle and offers chytil for gourde with 50%money retained and a pick?

Who’s saying no?

Just saying not impossible. There are way to stay in this window. With this top 6. Just have to bridge thru one more year and the cap opens up.

Why would we give up on a promising 22 year old for a couple of the tail end years of Kane’s career? When the rumor being pushed was one of Kakko or Lafreniere for Kane, we laughed at it. But now we’re willing to ship out Kakko to keep Kane?

Kane’s appeal, and the reason why he’s here, is that he was cheap to acquire. He forced his way here and came at a bargain. If he’s willing to take a sweetheart deal to stay, then fine, but if we have to ship out quality assets to keep him, then he’s no longer a bargain.

 

[Kodiak]

If you look at the overall body of work to this day, holy shit did the Gorton regime shit the bed on drafting. Only K'Andre Miller and Filip Chytil seem to be a legitimate player out of literally everyone they drafted since they took over. Jury's out on everyone else, including Kakko and Lafreniere.

It’s worth noting that most of this board was willing to ship Chytil out for next to nothing in the middle of last season. And there were plenty of people calling for Miller to be demoted as recently as this season. Sometimes players take a step back before taking several steps forward.

 

[McRanger92]

Every roster move should be viewed through the context of whether it helps us win a Cup between now and the expiration of Panarin/Trouba’s contracts when we will retool.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Every roster move should be viewed through the context of whether it helps us win a Cup between now and the expiration of Panarin/Trouba’s contracts when we will retool.

Or if you make it so that when Panarins contract ends, you slide into the Laf /Kakko years.
So you don’t have to retool only draft properly

 

[UnSandvich]

Clark’s biggest fault and it followed him for years was falling In love with late risers. Flash in the pan guys that came out of nowhere. He always wanted to be the smartest guy in the room. Jessiman Mcilrath Andersson and Kravtsov all fell into that category. Brutal picks instead of the obvious ones sitting there.

In fairness, Miller, Chytil, and iirc Schneider were all late risers too

 

[Kovalev27]

In fairness, Miller, Chytil, and iirc Schneider were all late risers too

Late first round picks you want to go for high reward no problem. You don’t blow top 10 picks on late risers with the getzlafs and Tarasenkos of the world sitting there

 

[duhmetreE]

Clark’s biggest fault and it followed him for years was falling In love with late risers. Flash in the pan guys that came out of nowhere. He always wanted to be the smartest guy in the room. Jessiman Mcilrath Andersson and Kravtsov all fell into that category. Brutal picks instead of the obvious ones sitting there.

tbh I was worried a bit with Othmann... but he seems like a pain in the ass goal scorer, something along the lines of Oshie... I'd take it.

It would be nice to start prioritizing some pace/speed.

 

[Kovalev27]

tbh I was worried a bit with Othmann... but he seems like a pain in the ass goal scorer, something along the lines of Oshie... I'd take it.

It would be nice to start prioritizing some pace/speed.

I like him he just can’t skate much either. Which is the other thing we love to do is draft guys that can’t skate

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

It is interesting, you have to go back 36 years for the last impact player the Rangers selected with a top 10 pick (Leetch #7). You have More (#10), Sundstrum (#8), Malhotra (#7), Brendl (#4), Lundmark (#9), Blackburn (#10), Montoya (#6), McIlrath (#10), Anderson (#7) and Kravtsov (#9).

Then the jury is still out on Kakko and Laff.

This spans multiple front offices and Scouting staffs. That's really bad when it comes to evaluating potential top end talent in a draft.

 

[Go Rangers]

How can Lafreniere become an impact player playing on the 3rd line? Are the Rangers playing Lafreniere over Panarin and Kreider? No. Chytil runs hot and cold. Both of these players are 3rd line players on the Rangers. The Rangers have Zibanejad and Trocheck at center. Drury gave Trocheck seven years last summer. Chytil is 2 years away from group III. Poor post my fat ass.

Maybe playoff performances will help determine who might move.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I know how they play in the playoffs will give the front office a picture of who they will try to lockup longer term but as of right now it's Miller. Get that man signed.

 

[RGY]

Shown here is one of our young forwards who is assumed unhappy with the direction of the team and is going to be requesting a trade this offseason.

 

[Machinehead]

The Rangers should just end the charade. Trade Lafreniere, Kakko and Chytil. The Rangers don't value them very much. Trade all three of them. Sign Kane to a three year contract. Sign Toews or Bonino to be the 4th line center. Lafreniere is blocked by Panarin and Kreider. Chytil is stuck behind Mika and Trocheck. Kakko will get never an opportunity in this organization. His agent should ask for a change of scenery. The Rangers went out and acquired two RW's before the deadline. The guy is off the PP. Trade him so they don't destroy the rest of his career. It looked like Kakko would get a run with Mika and Kreider a few months ago. Drury can trade whatever assets he acquires for rentals.

Kane played 22 minutes last night. 20 shifts. Make it the Panarin and Kane show. Sign Anisimov to center them. He is still trying to keep the NHL dream alive. He plays for the Flyers AHL team.

You're hanging onto the idea that the kids would be stars if they just got a chance.

If we hitched our wagon to the kids, we'd be waiting to see if we won the Bedard lottery instead of making playoff avatars.

We went out and acquired two RWs before the deadline because we left that position wide ass open for the kids and neither of them solidified a spot even with no competition. Do we really need to rehash trading Buchnevich just to trade him? It was universally panned.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko was a solid line but did he score on that line? Did the line score? No.

Whether you blame the failure on the organization or the players themselves is a very worthwhile discussion, but opportunity is not the cause. They've had chance after chance. They got top six ice time all year. Lafreniere is still on PP1 as we speak and has like 2 powerplay points in his career. What more could you want than that?

We have to let go of the Dark Ages. It happened because we were the worst drafting team in pro sports. We're not anymore. We're certainly not the best, but we're lightyears ahead of where we used to be. Being able to bring in star players is an advantage and we shouldn't not take it because our front office shit in the bed in mid-90's.

 

[Leonardo87]

You're hanging onto the idea that the kids would be stars if they just got a chance.

If we hitched our wagon to the kids, we'd be waiting to see if we won the Bedard lottery instead of making playoff avatars.

This right here. We are not rebuilding. Kids getting opportunities and ice time is secondary at best. Drury made it clear with his faith in the kids by adding Tarasenko and Kane.

Folks keep bringing up the Zegras, Stutzle, Cozen, Caufields around the league, none of those player’s teams are making the playoffs.

Do we want to see Kakko and Laf put up 50-60 points and maybe miss the playoffs or do we put our fate in the hands of vets who have won it before and/or have the experience? It’s nice to have both but we are not there yet.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

In fairness, Miller, Chytil, and iirc Schneider were all late risers too

Clark’s biggest fault and it followed him for years was falling In love with late risers. Flash in the pan guys that came out of nowhere. He always wanted to be the smartest guy in the room. Jessiman Mcilrath Andersson and Kravtsov all fell into that category. Brutal picks instead of the obvious ones sitting there.

How much influence did Bobrov have? Most of the kids he pushed for flamed out with the organization.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I like him he just can’t skate much either. Which is the other thing we love to do is draft guys that can’t skate

No he moves around pretty well it just looks ugly.

 

[I Eat Crow]

This right here. We are not rebuilding. Kids getting opportunities and ice time is secondary at best. Drury made it clear with his faith in the kids by adding Tarasenko and Kane.

Folks keep bringing up the Zegras, Stutzle, Cozen, Caufields around the league, none of those player’s teams are making the playoffs.

Do we want to see Kakko and Laf put up 50-60 points and maybe miss the playoffs or do we put our fate in the hands of vets who have won it before and/or have the experience? It’s nice to have both but we are not there yet.

You're hanging onto the idea that the kids would be stars if they just got a chance.

If we hitched our wagon to the kids, we'd be waiting to see if we won the Bedard lottery instead of making playoff avatars.

We went out and acquired two RWs before the deadline because we left that position wide ass open for the kids and neither of them solidified a spot even with no competition. Do we really need to rehash trading Buchnevich just to trade him? It was universally panned.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko was a solid line but did he score on that line? Did the line score? No.

Whether you blame the failure on the organization or the players themselves is a very worthwhile discussion, but opportunity is not the cause. They've had chance after chance. They got top six ice time all year. Lafreniere is still on PP1 as we speak and has like 2 powerplay points in his career. What more could you want than that?

We have to let go of the Dark Ages. It happened because we were the worst drafting team in pro sports. We're not anymore. We're certainly not the best, but we're lightyears ahead of where we used to be. Being able to bring in star players is an advantage and we shouldn't not take it because our front office shit in the bed in mid-90's.

This and this. They've had plenty of opportunity. Neither of them grabbed the brass ring and seized a top 6 spot despite given multiple chances. As the GM, Drury's job is to win the Stanley Cup. He's doing his job by giving the team the best chance to do it after acquiring Tarasenko and Mikkola and having Patrick Kane fall out of the blue sky for almost nothing. He wouldn't have made the trades if he believed that the team was good as is.

It's not that Gorton's regime scouted badly. Lafreniere and Kakko were consensus picks in their draft slots. It's partly that patented Rangers luck but mostly bad player development that landed the team in the situation they are in now. David Quinn should go down in history as one of this organization's biggest pariahs. Kakko and Lafreniere needed steady and experienced hands behind the bench that nurtured their strengths. He told both of them to go out there and play like 3rd line grinders and be responsible players and made them grip their sticks so tight to the point that they were petrified of making mistakes for fear of being stapled to the bench. Yeah, you can make the case that neither of them were really talented (I buy it for Lafreniere but absolutely do not for Kakko. He looked like the second coming of Marian Hossa the World Championship tournament before his draft absolutely dunking on NHL players and making them look like fools), but Quinn shattered whatever confidence either of them had their first year in the league. Then you stumble ass backwards into Panarin and try to rebuild on the fly to the point that neither would ever have a significant role to play, and before you know it, both are buried.

There's going to be some really interesting conversations and decisions that are going to have to be made this summer and next. Lafreniere just wasn't that good to begin with and Kakko is a headcase. Honestly, I'm ready to trade both at the draft for 2023 1st's. Go 2011 Philly on both their asses like when they traded both Mike Richards and Jeff Carter in the same offseason. The Panarin/Trouba/Kreider window is open now and for the next two years (I think Kane signs back here cheap too). Draft well this year and next and you have those 2023 1st's ready to make the team as soon as the Rangers need to retool summer of 2025.

 

[McRanger92]

This team can win the Cup this year, and the next few if they can keep the critical components together. Every free agent will either be squeezed on a bridge deal (Miller/Chytil/Laf), or asked to take a discount (Kane/Tarasenko/Motte/Mikkola). Lindgren/Kakko/Goodrow are all candidates to be traded due to not having NMCs and making actual money.

Panarin-Mika-Tarasenko
Kreider-Trocheck-Kane
Lafreniere-Chytil-Cuylle
Vesey-Brodzinski-Motte
Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Robertson-Schneider
Igor
Halak

If Drury can bring back that team and add some high picks we can get in trades for Lindgren/Kakko/Goodrow, we are cooking with gas. And if God willing they win the Cup this year, everyone can walk because they'd be immortalized.

 

[Kovalev27]

Shown here is one of our young forwards who is assumed unhappy with the direction of the team and is going to be requesting a trade this offseason.

The guy on the right is a bigger threat to score the next NYR goal than the guy on the left

 

[redwhiteandblue]

Been MIA af from around here, but I went to game Saturday, holy f***.

Ran into Vlad at my hotel coming of the elevator, was able to get a quick pic and meet him. Very polite, very nice dude. I told him we love him here and we want him back as a Blueshirt next year. He smiled and didn't say much to that. You could tell his girlfriend was loving the experience, I'm sure it's nice to see after how things soured in St. Louis.

As my girlfriend said "I've never seen you speechless or 'star-struck'". It was the lunch time Labatt's is all.