Speculation: Roster Building Thread V (2019/2020)

[QJL]

If those are the lines, I think 3rd/4th will be used equally. Both have kids with offensive upside and both have a steady vet winger.

Names-Howdy-Fil is no stronger than Lemmy-Andy-Fast.

 

[jacko23]

Guy needs to be WAY more than a 4th line center for a 7th overall pick...

He's got middle 6 upside. Think Ryan Callahan but smarter... But he's not going to get there this year IMO. Give it one more season

You bring up Ryan Callahan, and yet he was drafted 124th overall. And need i remind you of any other 1st rounder that never came to the NHL? Fourth rounders gotta come from somewhere. Even the first round.

 

[True Blue]

And even from the game against the flyers, Sam and Joe mentioned that AV is actually going to use his closest opening day lineup his last 2/3 games, so even AV can learn from his mistakes. Get your **** together, Quinn.

I would say that his **** is pretty together. There is an excess amount of forwards on this team and a lot of very young players. Quinn has a responsibility of seeing what works well and where. That cannot be possibly gleaned from a few early pre-season games.

 

[Irishguy42]

I think a lot of people here overrate the importance of "playing the regular lines together enough in preseason because chemistry/etc."

And then once they play the first regular season game and look slow/slog around/etc. we'll get complaints of "Quinn didn't play them together enough in preseason! They're not IN SYNC!!!!!"

No, that's not it.

 

[Avery16]

There definitely is not.

There have been about 100 names on waivers in the past couple weeks and no claims

 

[Thirty One]

There have been about 100 names on waivers in the past couple weeks and no claims

Have you seen the names? They aren't even the last cuts, the guys who almost made the team.

 

[nyr__1994]

There have been about 100 names on waivers in the past couple weeks and no claims

Right now teams are trying to evaluate what the currently have on their rosters. if they claim someone off waivers, they have to keep them on their roster and that takes the place of someone else.

Every time someone suggests we take a look at this D or that D, who's roster spot are they taking? Are they better than any thing else we currently have in our Top 7? Because you can;t claim someone and then stash them in Hartford.

 

[Avery16]

Right now teams are trying to evaluate what the currently have on their rosters. if they claim someone off waivers, they have to keep them on their roster and that takes the place of someone else.

Every time someone suggests we take a look at this D or that D, who's roster spot are they taking? Are they better than any thing else we currently have in our Top 7? Because you can;t claim someone and then stash them in Hartford.

I understand this, and to that point, why would we claim anyone the OP was mentioning? We're finding out who we're sending to Hartford between Lias and Kravtsov and Lindgren and Hajek. I don't think the names mentioned will have any shot over those.

 

[bobbop]

Really... no offense, therein lies the issue, NO OFFENSE! lol...

I think it's hard for us to realize he probably could've been a late 2nd-4th round pick. However, there's nothing bad about a bottom-six player and, really throughout his SHL career, is what he seems to be at the NHL, probably a 3rd liner. To me, he hasn't seemed to so much as anticipate offensive plays like top-six prospects do right away. Chytil's an example. Not a difference-maker yet but he at least tries to get to the right spots. DeAngelo was the same way.

Guys like Fast are the other kind. He showed offensive awareness off the bat. Not enough skill, obviously.

Lias was going at #9 to Detroit.

 

[B17 Apricots]

I wouldn't be so insistent that a 20 year old who played 5 shifts a period last year that has had top six production in the SHL and AHL level as a TEENAGER has bottom six potential. There's plenty of people not going along with that narrative but why does this constantly need to be said? These guys take different amounts of time to develop, if he follows Timo Meier's path and is an impact player in a couple seasons or Couturiers who took 6 years to reach that level it needs to reminded that Lias is a LEGIT prospect and a bit of hype is absolutely warranted.

 

[bobbop]

Someone (I think it was Stat Boy Steven) suggested Lias could have a career arc similar to Sean Couturier. That made a lot of sense to me.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Someone (I think it was Stat Boy Steven) suggested Lias could have a career arc similar to Sean Couturier. That made a lot of sense to me.

Well at least we’ve pivoted off of ROR/Bergeron

 

[B17 Apricots]

Someone (I think it was Stat Boy Steven) suggested Lias could have a career arc similar to Sean Couturier. That made a lot of sense to me.

Even with Meier, Lias' numbers are almost identical at the same age, people need to put into perspective the accomplishments and experience Andersson has had at this point, there's a number of guys we're all hyped on but Lias is not a guy that should get lost on that

 

[Fitzy]

The guy I thought Lias reminded me of a lot in Steve Rucchin wasn't even in the NHL until 23, and had a great career as a 1/2C.

I know the instinct is to freak out about the center situation, but there's actually no big issue here. We just need to find the right combinations. Lias can start as a 4th liner and work up, just like Anisimov did.

 

[mulli25]

You're hoping for a home run when you draft in the top 10, but its also incredibly important not to strike out.

If Lias has a long NHL career, even as a ~3rd line player that contributes meaningfully to a successful team, that's a pretty decent pick. Same goes if we're able to deal him for a piece that helps get us to the next level.

Either case is infinitely better than if he's playing in Europe in two years. He might be exciting like say Elias Pettersson, but at least we can be fairly confident he's not Yakupov or Dal Colle

 

[Thirty One]

The guy I thought Lias reminded me of a lot in Steve Rucchin wasn't even in the NHL until 23, and had a great career as a 1/2C.

I know the instinct is to freak out about the center situation, but there's actually no big issue here. We just need to find the right combinations. Lias can start as a 4th liner and work up, just like Anisimov did.

He's not going to have the benefit of Prust and Jody Shelley to carry him.

 

[RangersFan1994]

on Lias Andersson, I see a lot of Alex Steen in his game with more bite

 

[Fitzy]

I think the thing I'm most emphatic on this topic about is that we shouldn't sell low on slowly developing prospects.

I'd rather keep young guys in the AHL and see what happens them to ship them off for peanuts just because they haven't stuck yet.

No one should be looking to trade off Howden/Andersson/Chytil.

The same goes for Kravtsov even if he has a slow AHL start.

 

[Avery16]

I think the thing I'm most emphatic on this topic about is that we shouldn't sell low on slowly developing prospects.

I'd rather keep young guys in the AHL and see what happens them to ship them off for peanuts just because they haven't stuck yet.

No one should be looking to trade off Howden/Andersson/Chytil.

The same goes for Kravtsov even if he has a slow AHL start.

But what about selling high?

 

[SA16]

Lias is far more likely to have a career like highly sought after FA Greg McKegg than he is to follow the career arc of Sean Couturier.

 

[nyr2k2]

Lias is far more likely to have a career like highly sought after FA Greg McKegg than he is to follow the career arc of Sean Couturier.

I mean, Sean Couturier was unlikely to have the career arc of Sean Couturier. How many guys are 35 point players for six years before becoming 75 point guys? The point is to be patient, particularly with guys that break into the league as teenagers. It can take multiple years before they really start to put it together.

 

[SA16]

I mean, Sean Couturier was unlikely to have the career arc of Sean Couturier. How many guys are 35 point players for six years before becoming 75 point guys? The point is to be patient, particularly with guys that break into the league as teenagers. It can take multiple years before they really start to put it together.

Prior to breaking out offensively Sean Couturier was an elite defensive center who got very tough usage and did not have very good linemates (His most common linemates from 2013 to 2015 were Matt Read [1900 mins], Wayne Simmonds [470], Steve Downie [435], and RJ Umberger [422]. Despite all that he was always tremendous at driving play and defensive play. If Andersson's prime is 2012-2015 Couturier I would consider that a big win.

 

[B17 Apricots]

I mean, Sean Couturier was unlikely to have the career arc of Sean Couturier. How many guys are 35 point players for six years before becoming 75 point guys? The point is to be patient, particularly with guys that break into the league as teenagers. It can take multiple years before they really start to put it together.

Ya I wasn't even suggesting he'll be player A or player B, but as examples of the point I was making...you got it

 

[Edge]

Prior to breaking out offensively Sean Couturier was an elite defensive center who got very tough usage and did not have very good linemates (His most common linemates from 2013 to 2015 were Matt Read [1900 mins], Wayne Simmonds [470], Steve Downie [435], and RJ Umberger [422]. Despite all that he was always tremendous at driving play and defensive play. If Andersson's prime is 2012-2015 Couturier I would consider that a big win.

Hell, if he’s 75 percent of Couturier that’s a big win.

 

[Lone Ranger]

It may take a few more years, but I believe Lias is going to develop into a very valuable Ranger. A 2nd or 3rd line forward, who contributes 40-55 points. and is an absolute beast on the PK and in protecting leads late game.