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Speculation: Roster Building Thread V (2019/2020)

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aufheben said:
You used the past tense, as in they're going to lose Kreider because they chose _____ instead.
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Buchnevich, Skjei, and Namestikov have all been mentioned. And this seems to have stemmed partly from discussing a potential fast extension (or I'm confused on that). Lemieux, Strome. Howden, Lias would need a steep improvement not to be in this category too.
 
Machinehead said:
I don't know if you can point to one specific guy, but there's ways to keep Kreider and they should be doing those things.

Obviously, that will require cuts somewhere else in the lineup, none of which is that significant.
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Yeah as you say, it's hard to imagine a scenario where in six years with a higher cap, Kreider's contract will look worse than a aggregation of say Skjei, Howden, and Lemieux.
 
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TheDirtyH said:
Buchnevich, Skjei, and Namestikov have all been mentioned. And this seems to have stemmed partly from discussing a potential fast extension (or I'm confused on that). Lemieux, Strome. Howden, Lias would need a steep improvement not to be in this category too.
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names is a UFA at the end of this season so he is a complete non-issue and has no impact on kreider signing.
 
A 6 or 7 year Kreider contract would potentially be the one we are pointing at in 3+ years when we are talking about Zibanejad, Kakko, Kravstov , Fox contracts; or 5+ years when you add names like K'Andre, Shesty, possibly Chytil (along with the aforementioned 3 young guys if any are given bridges rather than long term extensions)
 
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TheDirtyH said:
Buchnevich, Skjei, and Namestikov have all been mentioned. And this seems to have stemmed partly from discussing a potential fast extension (or I'm confused on that). Lemieux, Strome. Howden, Lias would need a steep improvement not to be in this category too.
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Namestnikov’s deal is expiring. How come Toronto is allowed to sign Kapanen and Johnsson but we can’t sign Skjei and Buchnevich? Why are they comparable to Fast anyway? This just seems like Machinehead’s usual grass-is-always-greener complaint digging. :laugh:

Not for nothing but Kreider will be unrestricted; They could lose him anyway.
 
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Alluckks said:
A 6 or 7 year Kreider contract would potentially be the one we are pointing at in 3+ years when we are talking about Zibanejad, Kakko, Kravstov , Fox contracts; or 5+ years when you add names like K'Andre, Shesty, possibly Chytil (along with the aforementioned 3 young guys if any are given bridges rather than long term extensions)
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Probably it would be talked about like Henrik's has been. All the while, probably, there will be two or three or four Staal, Girardi type deals that are actually causing the problems. I agree with MH that Kreider is an elite player and would more likely be worth his contract than would many depth players likely to get the money that could be allocated to him.

aufheben said:
Namestnikov’s deal is expiring. How come Toronto is allowed to sign Kapanen and Johnsson but we can’t sign Skjei and Buchnevich? Why are they comparable to Fast anyway? This just seems like Machinehead’s usual grass-is-always-greener complaint digging. :laugh:

Not for nothing but Kreider will be unrestricted; They could lose him anyway.
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They're all in the same category as far as where the money that could be put responsibly toward re-signing Kreider would otherwise go. If you evaluate Skjei and Buchnevich differently than me, you'd be comfortable with a roster without Kreider but with the two of them; personally, if I had to have neither to keep Kreider over the same time span, it's not really debate that I'd keep Kreider...

Sure they could lose him. Maybe I'm missing what we're talking about. I tend to just jump in.
 
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TheDirtyH said:
Probably it would be talked about like Henrik's has been. All the while, probably, there will be two or three or four Staal, Girardi type deals that are actually causing the problems. I agree with MH that Kreider is an elite player and would more likely be worth his contract than would many depth players likely to get the money that could be allocated to him.



They're all in the same category as far as where the money that could be put responsibly toward re-signing Kreider would otherwise go. If you evaluate Skjei and Buchnevich differently than me, you'd be comfortable with a roster without Kreider but with the two of them; personally, if I had to have neither to keep Kreider over the same time span, it's not really debate that I'd keep Kreider...

Sure they could lose him. Maybe I'm missing what we're talking about. I tend to just jump in.
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I don't know, I just don't understand what point was/is being made.
 
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MrPodz said:
Why dont we just tell deangelo we will trade him to edmonton? Should scare him to the point of us signing him for only a dollar.
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Why? He'd be in the same situation with them, except they have more cap room. They could (and would likely have to) give him a one year deal at a higher hit than we could. He would get more minutes, and probably have a better season. Then he has arbitration rights, can do another year on a high award, and be a UFA at 25, sign wherever he feels like it. Not much of a threat.
 
The Julius Honka to the Rangers ship sailed a long time ago. The Rangers tried to acquire Honka in 2015 in a Cam Talbot trade. Montreal and Carolina are the two teams interested in Honka.

Carolina is also interested in Jesse Puljujarvi. Tampa Bay is the other team interested in Puljujarvi. Julien Gauthier is the player mentioned from Carolina. Alexander Volkov is the player mentioned from Tampa Bay. Edmonton wants a pick in addition to the player for Puljujarvi.

Carolina is in on everything. They acquired a #1 pick from the Maple Leafs to take on Patrick Marleau's contract. They signed Jake Gardiner after his market dropped.
 
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TheDirtyH said:
Yeah as you say, it's hard to imagine a scenario where in six years with a higher cap, Kreider's contract will look worse than a aggregation of say Skjei, Howden, and Lemieux.
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well considering that skjei has 5 years left on his deal, I doubt that the 6th year of kreider's contract will look better :naughty:
 
MrPodz said:
Why dont we just tell deangelo we will trade him to edmonton? Should scare him to the point of us signing him for only a dollar.
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The scariest thing we can do is not budge from our offer and let him continue to sit out and miss the entire season. Don't trade him. Just let him sit on his ass so he can continue tweeting about his beloved Philly teams.
 
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Going from Tony D. to Joe Morrow in the opening night lineup.

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even ignoring Haley/Brickley, interesting cut-down challanges at F -
assuming 10 guys are locks (Zib, Pan, Kreid, Buch, Fast, Chytil, Howden, Lemieux, Strome, Namest)
that leaves 3-4 spots for among probably these 7 guys -
KK, Lias and Krav, Vinni (these 4 waiver exempt)
Boo, McKegg and Fogarty (waiver vulnerable)
 
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cwede said:
even ignoring Haley/Brickley, interesting cut-down challanges at F -
assuming 10 guys are locks (Zib, Pan, Kreid, Buch, Fast, Chytil, Howden, Lemieux, Strome, Namest)
that leaves 3-4 spots for among probably these 7 guys -
KK, Lias and Krav, Vinni (these 4 waiver exempt)
Boo, McKegg and Fogarty (waiver vulnerable)
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Fogarty will pass through waivers. I would think there's a chance McKegg could get claimed based on what he did the second half of last year. Nieves probably clears, but you never know when some bottom-feeder sees a guy with size, skating, and versatility, and takes a gamble.
 
Avery16 said:
Del Zotto’s name on the Cup, despite playing no games. Gross.

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Why is Del Zotto's name on the cup?

He only played 7 games for the Blues in 2018-19 and no playoff games. Typically you need to play half of the regular season or 1 Stanley Cup final game. I doubt the Blues made a request to the league for MDZ.
 
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