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Speculation: Roster Building Thread V (2019/2020)

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SA16 said:
I would not give Fast more than 2 years or 2M/year and I know full well that means he would not sign here.
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I've been of the belief for awhile now that you splurge on good players and recoup that space by playing moneypuck with middling players and not giving bad players anything.

Fast falls in the middle. He's not a player we absolutely need but his market value is probably $4-4.5M. As much as I adore Fast, I believe successful teams are going to start cutting out the middle.

Everyone is shitting on the Leafs because the Leafs are a meme and they say "oh the Leafs have 50+ million tied up in six players and they're have to bargain bin the rest of the roster" and I'm like "you say that like it's a bad thing."

Chicago was really the first team to start doing this. Toews, Kane, and Keith (not Seabrook, f*** Seabrook) won the Cup with three different rosters. Their one (huge) mistake was thinking Seabrook crossed over into the core.
 
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Machinehead said:
I've been of the belief for awhile now that you splurge on good players and recoup that space by playing moneypuck with middling players and not giving bad players anything.

Fast falls in the middle. He's not a player we absolutely need but his market value is probably $4-4.5M. As much as I adore Fast, I believe successful teams are going to start cutting out the middle.

Everyone is ****ting on the Leafs because the Leafs are a meme and they say "oh the Leafs have 50+ million tied up in six players and they're have to bargain bin the rest of the roster" and I'm like "you say that like it's a bad thing."

Chicago was really the first team to start doing this. Toews, Kane, and Keith (not Seabrook, **** Seabrook) won the Cup with three different rosters. Their one (huge) mistake was thinking Seabrook crossed over into the core.
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Chicago had the benefit of 72-year contracts. Toronto doesn’t.

Besides, what teams don’t re-sign their best players? Lol
 
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aufheben said:
Touche but it’s not as if Toronto has forgone their depth players. They gave new contracts to Kerfoot, Johnsson, Kapanen, and $4.5M to Cody Ceci.
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Yes but Ceci expires in the summer. I have no problem with "renting"depth for a year. I have a problem with the fact that Ceci is nuclear garage, but different argument.

I'm not saying completely forego depth, but get your shit together first. If we lose Kreider, we lost him to keep depth that won't be on the team that long. It makes zero sense.
 
Machinehead said:
Us if we don't keep Kreider
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I hesitate to place Kreider in star, or must keep territory. He's closer to Seabrook than Kane or Keith. We can beat the argument to death again, but if we are trying to garner lessons from other teams, cutting bait on Kreider before he gets a big contract after 28 is probably it.

They have core forwards elsewhere now. Commitments were made. This team shouldn't invest in luxuries until they actually find their money ball players. Too much fat right now. Get their house in order and then spend on dudes like Kreider. Just bad timing.
 
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DutchShamrock said:
I hesitate to place Kreider in star, or must keep territory. He's closer to Seabrook than Kane or Keith. We can beat the argument to death again, but if we are trying to garner lessons from other teams, cutting bait on Kreider before he gets a big contract after 28 is probably it.

They have core forwards elsewhere now. Commitments were made. This team shouldn't invest in luxuries until they actually find their money ball players. Too much fat right now. Get their house in order and then spend on dudes like Kreider. Just bad timing.
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The luxury is Buch, not Kreider.
 
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This is the biggest season of Kreider's career in terms of what kind of money he's going to earn on his biggest NHL contract.

I am all for the guy, I think he brings a unique element that is almost impossible to replace. That said, you've got to wonder how much cap can realistically be tied up long term at the wing position.

If there's any scenario that sees Kreider stay, it's likely one that involves Buchnevich departing.
 
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ohbaby said:
I thought we were of like minds, but lately we don't agree on much. No one hustles more each and every shift than Fast. He has won the Player's Player Award the last four years running,... voted on by his teammates. He will never be a top six guy, but no one will bust his butt more for this team. He has always been very responsible. Until someone out performs him, he will have a spot on this team.

I sent you a PM ;)
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He's a respected veteran who can play up and down the lineup. I don't expect him to get much (if any) more than he is making now but I do expect he will be resigned.
 
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Machinehead said:
I've been of the belief for awhile now that you splurge on good players and recoup that space by playing moneypuck with middling players and not giving bad players anything.

Fast falls in the middle. He's not a player we absolutely need but his market value is probably $4-4.5M. As much as I adore Fast, I believe successful teams are going to start cutting out the middle.

Everyone is ****ting on the Leafs because the Leafs are a meme and they say "oh the Leafs have 50+ million tied up in six players and they're have to bargain bin the rest of the roster" and I'm like "you say that like it's a bad thing."

Chicago was really the first team to start doing this. Toews, Kane, and Keith (not Seabrook, **** Seabrook) won the Cup with three different rosters. Their one (huge) mistake was thinking Seabrook crossed over into the core.
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That's a little bit of revisionist history. When the Blackhawks were winning, Seabrook was most definitely one of their core guys. He has digressed much faster than most expected, especially the Chicago management. It happens.
 
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DutchShamrock said:
I hesitate to place Kreider in star, or must keep territory. He's closer to Seabrook than Kane or Keith. We can beat the argument to death again, but if we are trying to garner lessons from other teams, cutting bait on Kreider before he gets a big contract after 28 is probably it.

They have core forwards elsewhere now. Commitments were made. This team shouldn't invest in luxuries until they actually find their money ball players. Too much fat right now. Get their house in order and then spend on dudes like Kreider. Just bad timing.
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The second wave of analytics (GAR/RAPM) are rating Kreider even higher than we thought he was and this team looked lost last year after he got hurt.

I think the one legitimate criticism of Kreider is his injury proneness but I don't think it's a stretch to call him elite when healthy.
 
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bobbop said:
That's a little bit of revisionist history. When the Blackhawks were winning, Seabrook was most definitely one of their core guys. He has digressed much faster than most expected, especially the Chicago management. It happens.
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Seabrook was always, always, always bad away from Keith.
 
Machinehead said:
The second wave of analytics (GAR/RAPM) are rating Kreider even higher than we thought he was and this team looked lost last year after he got hurt.

I think the one legitimate criticism of Kreider is his injury proneness but I don't think it's a stretch to call him elite when healthy.
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What are your thoughts on why Zibanejad's GAR is so low? Seemed really weird to me especially given how much lower he is compared to Kreider and Hayes. Also surprised to see you're a GAR fan given how highly it rates Skjei :laugh:
 
Panarin - Zib - Buch
Kreider - Chytil - K2
Lemmy - Howden/Strome - Kravtsov
Names/McKegg - Bo/Lias - Fast

Lots of fighting left for the lower 2 lines
 
Would anyone be interested in swapping DeAngelo for Honka? What would the Stars need to add?

Stars seem to have slightly more cap space than us, can maybe give ADA something like $1.5m and make him happy. Honka seems to want a change of scenery, maybe more willing to accept a QO with the Rangers vs Stars. Could potentially fit better on a right side that already has two potential PP QBs in Trouba and Fox. Adds a Finnish friend for Kakko.
 
Don Chytil said:
Would anyone be interested in swapping DeAngelo for Honka? What would the Stars need to add?

Stars seem to have slightly more cap space than us, can maybe give ADA something like $1.5m and make him happy. Honka seems to want a change of scenery, maybe more willing to accept a QO with the Rangers vs Stars. Could potentially fit better on a right side that already has two potential PP QBs in Trouba and Fox. Adds a Finnish friend for Kakko.
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I'm not the biggest DeAngelo fan around but Honka sucks.
 
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Don Chytil said:
What are your thoughts on why Zibanejad's GAR is so low? Seemed really weird to me especially given how much lower he is compared to Kreider and Hayes. Also surprised to see you're a GAR fan given how highly it rates Skjei :laugh:
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Depends on the model. Dom Lyshcharfeaza or whatever his name is rates Zibanejad as an elite center in his GAR model. Truth be told, Zibanejad isn't anything special defensively and he's taking horrendous usage. That said, he still provides a ton of value. (And not having a bonafide star center is all the more reason to lock up our winger who is a top 5-10 play-driver in the world)

Haven't looked at Skjei's GAR but his RAPM is extremely bleh. I like to look at a variety of things before I judge a player and Kreider is elite top to bottom at any metric you use.
 
Pawnee Rangers said:
The luxury is Buch, not Kreider.
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Kreider is what he is, which is good but he isnt going to get better than he is now, Buch hasnt peaked yet. If I'm keeping one or the other right now considering cap, potential and age I keep Buch. I still think there probably is room for Kreider on a shorter deal but it has to be a discount compared to Hayes. I'm not sure he would accept that so I think he is gone.
 
KreiderBomb said:
Kreider is what he is, which is good but he isnt going to get better than he is now, Buch hasnt peaked yet. If I'm keeping one or the other right now considering cap, potential and age I keep Buch. I still think there probably is room for Kreider on a shorter deal but it has to be a discount compared to Hayes. I'm not sure he would accept that so I think he is gone.
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I can't see a scenario where Buchnevich is ever better than Kreider is now. He simply isn't capable of it.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
I'm not the biggest DeAngelo fan around but Honka sucks.
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Machinehead said:
Can confirm, Honka sucks.
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Interesting. I admittedly haven't watched him play much but I thought the advanced stats on him looked decent enough. But maybe I'm just not looking in the right place :dunno:

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