Speculation: Roster Building Thread: (still) No Quinn In NY Edition

[McRanger92]

How does Buchnevich feel about the Rodeo?

I feel like Buchnevich has been rumored to Calgary for years, starting when he was a Ranger.

 

[bleedblue94]

Tara has a full no trade. I don’t think he’s going to waive to go there in a contract year.

Unless Calgary agrees to move him right away (which they might)

he still wants out of st louis from what i've heard, and the blues really had no options to do it last year without taking back money so this could be his way out? not suggesting it def is or anything, just musing though

 

[Kocur26]

Reading a lot of comments on Twitter search about Motte being a bit of a disappointment.

He’s also injury prone the past 4-5 seasons

Nothing special is how he’s being termed .

I was listening to the Pagnotta xm show last weekend And they all felt that Andrew Copp cash in on his playoff performance and he’s really not that good or worth the money Detroit coughed up. ; bit of an overpay.

Did Motte lose value ?

Apparently So

 

[duhmetreE]

Motte inspired Drury to draft Sykora

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

With all these guys forcing themselves to their favorite teams how long before Zegras forces himself here?

 

[duhmetreE]

This is what I was saying on free agency day about trocheck being a true 3c on a real contender, that is the depth you have to really match the big boys. everyone losing their shit at me about that comment but it is how this plays out. losing panarin would hurt but all our young skill is on the wings, it would make a lot of sense but it isnt realistically happening.

it looks like they are going to pray chytil can evolve and then ride this team through the season and then hope they strike gold again in season and at the deadline with pro level trades and adds.

that being said i really think everyone around here should be prepared for some level of falloff this regular season compared to last year. there will be some level of regression but this is what needs to happen to be able to see what the kids have and then hope you can plug the holes later. the one issue is the org will be using up a lot of its trade chips doing it this way

I don't buy that really. You have your 1C then you need a strong middle6. My sticking point is they NEED to be strong 2way players. Strome-Chytil is the antithesis to that. I'd still look to upgrade Chytil if he doesn't show 2way growth this season.

Trocheck is a middle6 Center. Calling him a 3C is disingenuous

 

[McRanger92]

This is what I was saying on free agency day about trocheck being a true 3c on a real contender, that is the depth you have to really match the big boys. everyone losing their shit at me about that comment but it is how this plays out. losing panarin would hurt but all our young skill is on the wings, it would make a lot of sense but it isnt realistically happening.

it looks like they are going to pray chytil can evolve and then ride this team through the season and then hope they strike gold again in season and at the deadline with pro level trades and adds.

that being said i really think everyone around here should be prepared for some level of falloff this regular season compared to last year. there will be some level of regression but this is what needs to happen to be able to see what the kids have and then hope you can plug the holes later. the one issue is the org will be using up a lot of its trade chips doing it this way

I dont really agree with the regression angle. I doubt Kreider scores 50 again, and maybe Igor will have a slight drop off from his historic season, but the team played 3/4s of the season with Dryden Hunt, Julien Gauthier and Barclay Goodrow in the top 9 last year, as well as 87 combined games on D of Nemeth, Tinordi & Hajek. They also had no talented reinforcements ready in Hartford. And that's even before you factor in expected improvement from the kids who were on the team last year. The new coaching staff also wont have to go through much of a feeling out process.

We are still a very young team, in a division with some of the oldest teams in the league (PIT, WAS, NYI). We are in a good spot imo.

 

[LOFIN]

Toronto isn't as painfully Canadian as Calgary or WInnipeg tho, they might be able to hang on to their Americans. Montreal and Vancouver to to an extent.

Unless Matthews wants to go to specifically Arizona, I think he stays in Toronto. He loves the attention and the big city feel. Not too many of the big cities in the US are going to be in the position to offer him the monster deal he wants.

 

[bhamill]

I dont really agree with the regression angle. I doubt Kreider scores 50 again, and maybe Igor will have a slight drop off from his historic season, but the team played 3/4s of the season with Dryden Hunt, Julien Gauthier and Barclay Goodrow in the top 9 last year, as well as 87 combined games on D of Nemeth, Tinordi & Hajek. They also had no talented reinforcements ready in Hartford. And that's even before you factor in expected improvement from the kids who were on the team last year. The new coaching staff also wont have to go through much of a feeling out process.

We are still a very young team, in a division with some of the oldest teams in the league (PIT, WAS, NYI). We are in a good spot imo.

Yeah, I agree. I think the team improves because Laf, Kakko, Chytil, Miller, Schneider, (and Kravtsov) will contribute more. I also think Trocheck is a clear upgrade over Strome. If Kreider scores 40 I'll be happy, but we should get way more than 12 goals more out of Chytil, Kakko, Laf and Krav than last year.
If Blais can stay healthy, Laf stays physical and the addition of Trocheck I think NYR are also a much harder team to play against.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

long term Girard isn’t better than Lindgren or Miller. We don’t need PMD. Chytil is already a 3C and improving.

we definitely need a PMD lol. We have one on the roster. Luckily he's the best in the biz. But we could use more.

 

[Ruggs225]

I think kreider should be dropped to the 3rd line with Chytil. but also basically be out the full 2 min of every powerplay. He isnt great 5on5 but he is the best front of net man in the nhl on a PP.

Also i would love to see laf on zibs left getting first line minutes. Run a laf-zib-kakko line.

Laff-zib-kakko
Pan-troch-krav/blais
Kreider-chytil-krav/blais
4th line withy goody in center.

 

[DanielBrassard]

With all these guys forcing themselves to their favorite teams how long before Zegras forces himself here?

Hopefully soon. They can have Kakko and Nils take it or leave it. Lol.

 

[duhmetreE]

we definitely need a PMD lol. We have one on the roster. Luckily he's the best in the biz. But we could use more.

this gets over looked more than anything on this team.

We simply can't move the puck out of our zone or in transition effectively

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

we definitely need a PMD lol. We have one on the roster. Luckily he's the best in the biz. But we could use more.

We have a pretty good one who is NHL ready and already played with our 3RD in the minors.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'm still on the Chychrun @ 50% bandwagon.

 

[DudMan28]

The thing with Motte is we can probably clear out some cap to get him signed, but if he wants two years, can we guarantee we won't ship him out next year when we go through the cap crunch again?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

What would the ask be for Kakko to Colorado?

Don’t listen to everyone else here. I’ll take Newhook 1 for 1

 

[EdJovanovski]

we definitely need a PMD lol. We have one on the roster. Luckily he's the best in the biz. But we could use more.

He's nowhere near the best PMD in the biz, even Fox isn't a great PMD imo. He's maybe the best passer, but at actually carrying the puck up? Not even close
I don't get how the organization doesn't see it but we look so much better whenever Jones was in the lineup

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Hopefully soon. They can have Kakko and Nils take it or leave it. Lol.

We could have just drafted him smh….

 

[EdJovanovski]

How does Buchnevich feel about the Rodeo?

Just imagine we trade Buch for Blais, and St Louis trades Buch for Tkachuk

 

[bleedblue94]

I don't buy that really. You have your 1C then you need a strong middle6. My sticking point is they NEED to be strong 2way players. Strome-Chytil is the antithesis to that. I'd still look to upgrade Chytil if he doesn't show 2way growth this season.

Trocheck is a middle6 Center. Calling him a 3C is disingenuous

I agree with what you are saying, but you kind of also make my point saying he is a middle 6 center, hence he is a 2c on a want to be team and on an elite contender making a run he is a 3c. if he was a true 2c then the "middle 6 center" comment you just made doesnt exist.

obviously I agree about the need for 2 way play, everyone here does

 

[duhmetreE]

We could have just drafted him smh….

Win the lotto and get the worse player. Hockey is different here.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

He's nowhere near the best PMD in the biz, even Fox isn't a great PMD imo. He's maybe the best passer, but at actually carrying the puck up? Not even close
I don't get how the organization doesn't see it but we look so much better whenever Jones was in the lineup

Ignoring your Fox slander, hopefully Drury Gallant and co give Jones a shot and aren’t hung up on size .

 

[Machinehead]

I didn't mention Matthew Tkachuk at all. That isn't even the route I would go sans Panarin as he'd eat up nearly all of the open space you'd get from not having Panarin. We could have fit in a good passer or 3 with Panarin's salary open.

You mistake me for someone who cares that Panarin plays on the perimeter. I don't, hes always done it and a ton of good players do it. My issue is that he played like a selfish idiot for a large chunk of last season and struggled to create space for himself for the first time in... well ever, which is a bigger issue than anyone is letting on.

We don't need three guys and you would have to bring in another star player to replace Panarin's production. There's no way that scenario ends without acquiring a worse Panarin. In the last four games against Tampa, we scored one even strength goal.

We were low-key 16th in goals scored. We're not that good at it.

"Fewer triple-digit point guys" is not high on this teams list of needs.

 

[duhmetreE]

I agree with what you are saying, but you kind of also make my point saying he is a middle 6 center, hence he is a 2c on a want to be team and on an elite contender making a run he is a 3c. if he was a true 2c then the "middle 6 center" comment you just made doesnt exist.

obviously I agree about the need for 2 way play, everyone here does

I use it as a broad general term. 2C is a definitive box yet comes with no definition? What makes a 2C? Who's a 2C? What's the cutoff? Why isn't he a 2C? Middle6 Centers a dependent on their linemates. He had 39 EVP... Same as players like Elias Pettersson, Barzal, Bergeron and Strome.. Are they 2Cs?

The game has changed in that you do need a functional and capable top9. He's more 2C than 3C. He can do both. I do not expect him to lead this team offensively but he is the type of player we need.